Folding the nuts and the 2nd nuts

Flushdraw · 18-03-2007 5:26am #1

2 hands from the Fitz last night, would you have folded neither, one or both?

1st hand is in the 500 tournie. I have 13k, Bomber has 17k and UTG calling station has 10k

I'm on the SB with A5o. Blinds are 100/200. 3 callers incl. Bomber Nolan on the button. I complete and BB checks

Flop is 2c3c4

I check, UTG bets 500, Bomber makes it 1500. I reraise to 3800. Bomber pushes for 17k. Me.....

2nd hand is in the Omaha cash game. villain 1 has 160, villain 2 has 500 and i have 350.

Blind raise to 5, 6 callers, i call from BB with Q 10 7 7 no diamonds

Flop is Jx9d8d

I bet 35, villain 1 calls and villain 2 makes it 150

Me....

ianmc38 · 18-03-2007 5:32am

Tony were you smoking crack tonight? Shove both. The omaha hand is especially easy as you're holding 77 making it less likely for someone to currently have the nuts and you also have the nut straight redraw. Hand 1 if he has 56, meh. Thats poker.

valor · 18-03-2007 5:33am

dont know about Omaha but never ever fold #1

also, lead the flop

Flushdraw · 18-03-2007 5:43am

ianmc38 wrote:

Tony were you smoking crack tonight? Shove both. The omaha hand is especially easy as you're holding 77 making it less likely for someone to currently have the nuts and you also have the nut straight redraw. Hand 1 if he has 56, meh. Thats poker.

Whats me holding 77 got anything to do with someone else having the nuts? I flopped the nuts with no redraw to a higher straight and i've no diamonds. Do you really think its that straight forward of a push?

ianmc38 · 18-03-2007 5:55am

Flushdraw wrote:

Whats me holding 77 got anything to do with someone else having the nuts? I flopped the nuts with no redraw to a higher straight and i've no diamonds. Do you really think its that straight forward of a push?

Sorry misread the nuts. i was smoking crack earlier....

Flushdraw · 18-03-2007 6:04am

ianmc38 wrote:

Sorry misread the nuts. i was smoking crack earlier....

I would have saved myself a lot of money and hassle if i had of dropped up and joined you!

ianmc38 · 18-03-2007 6:08am

Flushdraw wrote:

I would have saved myself a lot of money and hassle if i had of dropped up and joined you!

Lol. The yamaha fold looks ok (id call myself). you could be up against a set/flush draw/nuts+wrap/flush redraw combo

LuckyLloyd · 18-03-2007 12:25pm

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Samba · 18-03-2007 12:49pm

if we call we have 190 of a 350 stack in the middle....i don't think flat calling is viable....

LuckyLloyd · 18-03-2007 1:41pm

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Samba · 18-03-2007 2:18pm

note to self..don't post on boards with sleep still in my eyes

Flushdraw · 18-03-2007 2:24pm

I thought that at best i was chopping it and facing someone with a redraw so i folded. Denis the dealer saw my hand nearly fell out of his chair when i folded!

One player had the nuts with top 2 pair and the other had a set and flushdraw but he missed so i would have chopped up his money but still dont think i did much wrong folding in this position

Flushdraw · 18-03-2007 2:28pm

LuckyLloyd wrote:

I call hand one every single time and I feel good about it irrespective of results.

Do you honestly think i folded this hand against Bomber......:p

TAXI FOR FLUSHDRAW!!

Goodluck2me · 18-03-2007 5:39pm

it can often be -ev calling/raising with the flopped nuts in omaha. if someone in that hand had AKQT they would be freerollign against you, and you are a dog to QJJT aswell as a good few other hands. good fold

Flipper · 18-03-2007 7:49pm

In the omaha hand, folding would be fine (better spots to get your money in) or calling and pushing a non-scare card on the turn (prob my play). To do this, you need to be sure the player in the middle won't rerasie the flop after first calling

RoundTower · 18-03-2007 7:56pm

hand 2 depends who the villains are, I would be comfortable folding this against some people here but not as a standard in that game.

Flushdraw · 18-03-2007 8:14pm

Flipper wrote:

In the omaha hand, folding would be fine (better spots to get your money in) or calling and pushing a non-scare card on the turn (prob my play). To do this, you need to be sure the player in the middle won't rerasie the flop after first calling

The raiser wasnt the type of player that would fold if i called and pushed a non scare card. If i had of had any type of redraw or a decent tank i might have tried this, but couldnt see it happening here. Thanks for the response lads

Marq · 18-03-2007 8:54pm

I would fold both of these hands from time to time, but not very often.

Flushdraw · 18-03-2007 9:11pm

Marq wrote:

I would fold both of these hands from time to time, but not very often.

I dont make it a habit of folding the nuts myself buin the hand with Bomber, i was trying to think of a hand he would limp on the button with, raise the flop and then re-reraise me with. Generally Bomber stays out of my way when i'm in a hand and i couldnt put him on anything other than 56 here

Folding the nuts and the 2nd nuts

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