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What am I missing? hand Analysis please

  • 16-03-2007 6:40pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭


    Firstly this is not meant to be a bad beat post, there are bad beats involved but I really want some thoughts on how we got there.

    I was playing 23/12 during this session btw, overall I'm 26/10


    ok, so what is it about me that these guys think they know? I can't understand the play by the villian in this hand, so please analyse from both my and the villians side, I'm obviously missing something in my game!

    GAME #503421652: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2007-03-16 17:26:10
    Table Mkuze
    Seat 1: rytchy02 ($25.88 in chips)
    Seat 2: Villain ($53.02 in chips)
    Seat 4: derlan79 ($4.80 in chips)
    Seat 6: zombie11 ($3.80 in chips)
    Seat 7: PykisPP ($61.28 in chips)
    Seat 9: HERO ($89.90 in chips)
    Seat 10: Mo4MoMoney ($8.75 in chips) DEALER
    rytchy02: Post SB $0.25
    make1: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to zombie11 [SA C3]
    Dealt to HERO [CK SK]
    Dealt to Villiain [H10 SJ]
    derlan79: Fold
    zombie11: Allin $3.80
    PykisPP: Fold
    HERO: Raise $10.00
    Mo4MoMoney: Fold
    rytchy02: Fold
    Villain: Call $9.50
    *** FLOP *** [H9 S5 C10]
    Villain: Check
    HERO: Bet $20.00
    Villain: Allin $43.02
    HERO: Call $23.02
    *** TURN *** [S10]
    *** RIVER *** [H8]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $107.09 Rake $3.00
    Villain: wins $107.09

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    bet flop here?

    call turn?


    GAME #503411138: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2007-03-16 17:12:55
    Table Morgenzon
    Seat 1: Vec ($45.95 in chips)
    Seat 2: Villain ($57.63 in chips)
    Seat 5: eric55555 ($19.00 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 6: HERO ($45.25 in chips)
    Seat 9: scran99 ($50.24 in chips)
    Seat 10: plood1 ($10.15 in chips)
    HERO: Post SB $0.25
    scran99: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [S10 C10]
    Dealt to Villain [CJ CA]
    plood1: Fold
    Vec: Fold
    Villain: Raise $3.00
    eric55555: Fold
    HERO: Call $2.75
    scran99: Fold
    *** FLOP *** [DQ SK S5]
    HERO: Check
    Villain: Check
    *** TURN *** [H10]
    HERO: Bet $3.00
    Villain12.00
    HERO: Allin $39.25
    Villain: Call $30.25
    *** RIVER *** [S9]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $88.00 Rake $3.00
    Villain: wins $88.00

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I just think this is very bad play by the villain pre and post flop, but have I made a mistake with my betting?


    GAME #503363889: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2007-03-16 16:11:34
    Table Morgenzon
    Seat 4: Villain ($14.70 in chips)
    Seat 5: AAAASSSS2 ($47.20 in chips)
    Seat 6: HERO ($58.10 in chips)
    Seat 9: xOLLI78x ($53.67 in chips)
    Seat 10: Laavor ($45.58 in chips) DEALER
    nurAx: Post SB $0.25
    AAAASSSS2: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [HQ CQ]
    Dealt to Villain [C4 C7]
    HERO: Raise $2.00
    xOLLI78x: Fold
    Laavor: Fold
    Villain: Call $1.75
    AAAASSSS2: Fold
    *** FLOP *** [S2 H4 S6]
    Villain: Check
    HERO: Bet $3.00
    Villain: Allin $12.70
    HERO: Call $9.70
    *** TURN *** [D7]
    *** RIVER *** [H9]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $28.45 Rake $1.45
    Villain: wins $28.45

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I think this was a very poor move by me on the flop, but I think Villain could/should have laid down here. He had already reloaded once and had bought in both tiems for the full amount, so he had a bankroll (of some description)

    Do you just fold the flop here? If he has more behind, does he fold?


    GAME #503433399: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2007-03-16 17:40:57
    Table Kline
    Seat 1: tensionhed ($69.15 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 2: ruffys ($12.95 in chips)
    Seat 4: Mo4MoMoney ($12.35 in chips)
    Seat 5: HERO ($138.65 in chips)
    Seat 6: BadBeatBarry ($49.45 in chips)
    Seat 7: Jermaine123 ($48.17 in chips)
    Seat 9: Villain ($18.00 in chips)
    Seat 10: Black0Angel ($25.00 in chips)
    ruffys: Post SB $0.25
    Mo4MoMoney: Post BB $0.50
    Black0Angel: Post BB $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [C4 D4]
    Dealt to Villain [CJ HJ]
    HERO: Call $0.50
    BadBeatBarry: Fold
    Jermaine123: Call $0.50
    Villain: Raise $3.00
    Black0Angel: Fold
    tensionhed: Fold
    ruffys: Fold
    Mo4MoMoney: Call $2.50
    HERO: Call $2.50
    Jermaine123: Fold
    *** FLOP *** [D6 DA D2]
    Mo4MoMoney: Check
    HERO: Check
    Villain: Bet $6.00
    Mo4MoMoney: Fold
    HERO: Raise $15.00
    Villain: Allin $9.00
    *** TURN *** [H3]
    *** RIVER *** [C10]
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $38.25 Rake $2.00
    Villain: wins $38.25


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    Most people suck at poker so you really shouldnt be shocked to see people play bad or make statements like "he should have laid down there" etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    They all look ok except for the last one.

    Villain doesnt have enough for you to
    A. call preflop
    B. try to push him off with a check/raise postflop.

    Other than that, pretty unfortunate, but your play is fine. You might try to get away from the TTT hand, because his line is very strong, but in general, at those stakes, I dont think I would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭BobSloane


    Hand 1 and 3 you get your money in as a 4-1 favourite. Nobody posts these the 4 times out of 5 their hand holds up.

    Hand 2 is a small cooler. His line is strong and thats a dangerous board. I think when people say never fold sets it doesn't always mean push all-in with 3rd set on a fully co-ordinated board. You could have called the turn bet here maybe and seen if the board paired. You probably get away from this on the river when the 9s comes...? But thats horrible play of course if he has KJ or and hand like AQ or JQ of spades.

    Hand 4. I think it was in phantom lords 6 max post about calling raises with small pocket pairs if the raiser has about ten times the raise. Thats the guideline I follow now anyway. He raises to 3 with only 15 left behind and you're 7.5 to 1 to hit your set out and you are out of position. Fold pre-flop and same money over time here


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