Online Tells??

TheRock

Just read these at http://www.pokerlistings.com/online-tells , not sure I agree with all of them. Just wondering was people thought of these below?

Here is a list of the most common online tells:

The insta-call after you bet: Most players who call your bet immediately have a weak calling hand. These players want you to believe they have a stronger hand and hope that you will not bet into them again.

The delayed check: Most players who take longer than normal to check to you do not want you to bet. They are attempting to display strength because they want to see the next card for free.

The delayed bet: When an opponent thinks for a long time and then bets, they are usually holding a strong hand. They want you to believe they are weak so that you will call/raise.

The insta-bet/raise on the river (Texas Hold'em): The player who utilizes this move will usually be holding a very strong hand. By raising or betting so quickly, they are trying to make you think they are bluffing. This move can also be used on the turn and generally, though not as frequently, denotes strength.

The insta-check: A player sitting in late position who uses the "in turn" check/fold button is usually weak. Often, they are playing at multiple tables and are hoping to save time by using the "in turn" buttons.

The bet into on the turn (Texas Hold'em): When a player has checked and called on the flop and then bets into you on the turn, it usually indicates weakness. This type of bet often means that they picked up a draw or that they are semi-bluffing with a draw they picked up on the flop. Strongly consider raising even though you might be bluffing yourself.

ianmc38

I agree 100% with some of them. Timing tells are the easiest to pick up on online.

Captain Tom

does anyone have any thoughts on what a minraise usually means?

i used to automatically consider it a major sign of strength,but at this stage ive seen it done with sets/weakish top pair/middle/bottom pair/draws/air so now it just kinda confuses me.

ianmc38

The minraise used to be a set most of the time. now it's a set, top pair, air or any other holding. Its ten times more prevalent on the ipoker network as well.

Scouser in Dub

what about

The delayed bet: When a player takes his time to bet he is a new player who obviously can't use the slider properly

Scouser in Dub

ianmc38 wrote:

The minraise used to be a set most of the time. now it's a set, top pair, air or any other holding. Its ten times more prevalent on the ipoker network as well.

I had never minraised on tribeca I find that I have done here when panicking because the slider does not give me the option to bet what I want so I rush and just click

I bet that accounts for some of it

and I have found it can mean anything

cooker3

The main one I notice is the insta check, pretty much guaranteed that they fold when you bet.

El Stuntman

Scouser in Dub wrote:

what about

The delayed bet: When a player takes his time to bet he is a new player who obviously can't use the slider properly

no, it's prolly a player who's had his hand down his underpants for the last 5 minutes!

this is why the whole idea of 'online tells' is just fatuous

Bandara

TheRock wrote:

Just read these at http://www.pokerlistings.com/online-tells , not sure I agree with all of them. Just wondering was people thought of these below?

Here is a list of the most common online tells:

The insta-call after you bet: Most players who call your bet immediately have a weak calling hand. These players want you to believe they have a stronger hand and hope that you will not bet into them again.

The delayed check: Most players who take longer than normal to check to you do not want you to bet. They are attempting to display strength because they want to see the next card for free.

The delayed bet: When an opponent thinks for a long time and then bets, they are usually holding a strong hand. They want you to believe they are weak so that you will call/raise.

The insta-bet/raise on the river (Texas Hold'em): The player who utilizes this move will usually be holding a very strong hand. By raising or betting so quickly, they are trying to make you think they are bluffing. This move can also be used on the turn and generally, though not as frequently, denotes strength.

The insta-check: A player sitting in late position who uses the "in turn" check/fold button is usually weak. Often, they are playing at multiple tables and are hoping to save time by using the "in turn" buttons.

The bet into on the turn (Texas Hold'em): When a player has checked and called on the flop and then bets into you on the turn, it usually indicates weakness. This type of bet often means that they picked up a draw or that they are semi-bluffing with a draw they picked up on the flop. Strongly consider raising even though you might be bluffing yourself.

I give off one huge piece of info when I do the first three of your list. I pretty much tell everyone in the game I am playing four tables at once. I personally wouldn't want to be putting too much weight in a lot of these.

Captain Tom

cooker3 wrote:

The main one I notice is the insta check, pretty much guaranteed that they fold when you bet.

yeah ive always abided by this one.i think after soemone instachecks a bet will take the pot down a huge % of the time,particularly in a heads up situation.

phantom_lord

I think they're a bit pointless alot of the time tbh, like I might make a "delayed bet" but it's probably just cause I'm involved in a hand on another table.

LuckyLloyd

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dingle

Sometimes it means that your dog has broken out of it's pen or that your daughter has just bitten your son

http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/community/collins-column/index.php?id=3

Ste05

One thing that you must do is find out which players are multi-tabling. If a multi-tabler insta-checks, it means he's not carrying on in the hand about 95% of the time. Other timing tells have far less weight for a multi-tabler.

For a one-tabler then some of these are OK, but I wouldn't be putting too much weight into timing tells, maybe they're just watching telly or having a drink, opening a pack of crisps, adjusting their balls/bra, maybe they just legged it to the toilet between hands, etc. etc.

One tell I use all the time though against a one-tabler is this: A short delay, then a medium sized to smallish donk bet into me is nearly always a weakish hand seeing where he stands, I raise this up nearly everytime and usually he'll fold.

Macspower

try playing against me with my current connection lol...

Gus Ivey

i agree with them online tells, but feel they only help you marginally. I think knowing a players betting patterns is far better

frodi

Time of call tells are only useful if you know how fast/reliable their connection is. Many times I have found that my time is nearly up even though the action buttons have just appeared on my PC

hotspur

Just on the delayed bet thing, I often put in a quite delayed bet when folded to on the button preflop and stealing the blinds. The reason for this is that people, myself included, are often prepped to defend their blind but when it takes a few seconds for it to come to them they go "f*ck it" and click check / fold and concentrate on other tables. This works.

dacman

cooker3 wrote:

The main one I notice is the insta check, pretty much guaranteed that they fold when you bet.

I disagree. alot of the time the insta check can mean a monster. Like if u raise and they call and then they insta check. they usually have a monster

Hoki

On that point , I often use the insta-check button when i am holding a monster , people are more liable to bet into me so then i can re-raise them thus getting the most amount of chips possible .

cooker3

Ok, well I can't think of a time when a insta check ever resulted in a monster and vast majority of time I see it means weakness anyway

cardshark202

LuckyLloyd wrote:

lol at the idea of online tells.

lol at that lol