Welfare Fraud!

A relation of mine had been falsely claiming disabitly for about 16 year's claiming clinical despression
She said she was checked up on once 3 year's ago and had false med's and prescriotions given to her by a doctor who in those times used to do it for people and mother's who wanted to stay at home She said if she's ever checked up on he provides her with anything
She has gotten a letter lately from them and I was wondering what would happen if she's caught also
Do you know anyone else similiar to this?
I don't agree with it and have voiced my concern's several times only to be told to f**k off that's it's free money etc from a government who have done nothing from her etc.
This angers me severely as this woman has worked probably about 8 year's in her life
I'm wondering has someone in the family ratted her out It's well known that she has it and isn't a very nice person
to be honest I know there is such a place that investigates fraud but I wasn;'t aware the public could report it and actually be taken seriously

brianthebard

Yes you can and should report fraud. Please do, this person is stealing money from taxpayers. There's no justification for what she is doing.

Mrs_Doyle

coolsmileygirl wrote:

f**k off that's it's free money etc from a government who have done nothing from her etc.

I presume you meant to say 'for her', in which case feel free to pass on your relations details onto me and I will quite happily rat the thieving swine out.

Much like a lot of the boards users, I have paying tax since I was 15years old, and it sickens me to think that my money is spent on such low life scum.

If you can work, then you should work and I have zero tolerance for anyone who refuses to do so.

Degsy

People like that are amongst the lowest of the low in society.Not only are they stealing from the taxpayer but they're depriving genuinly needy people of money and resources.Hope she goes to prison.

Yeah I totally agree, I've voiced such opinion but am met with ignorance!

mike65

Seamus Brennans' office is targeting people who claim long-term payments on a medical basis.

Mike.

loyatemu

so she's defrauding welfare,
you don't agree with it,
and you don't like her anyway.

shop her!

Futureman

loyatemu wrote:

so she's defrauding welfare,
you don't agree with it,
and you don't like her anyway.

shop her!

Taking her shopping will not resolve this issue! She needs to be stopped!

Degsy

Futureman wrote:

She needs to be stopped!

You mean stomped!

r3nu4l

The doctor should also be reported to the Irish Medical Council.
:mad:

Stephen

I have no sympathy for her if she does get caught.

HelterSkelter

And I suppose all the posters urging the OP to report her relative have halos above their heads? Ever taken a payment from your boss that didn't go through the books? Ever earned extra cash from nixers, or whatever and didn't declare it? Ever taken a day off work cos you were "sick" and still got paid for it? Ever bought something that you suspect might have fallen off the back of a truck? Ever had a company car and didn't declare it for benefit in kind? Ever filled your own car up on the company fuel card? What about downloading mp3's and movies illegally? Or copying CD's? Do you have a TV licence for your TV, a dog licence for your dog? Do you pay your bin charges? Has anyone made a false or exagerrated insurance claim? Or lied about their penalty points or other details in order to get cheaper insurance?

Mrs_Doyle

HelterSkelter wrote:

And I suppose all the posters urging the OP to report her relative have halos above their heads? Ever taken a payment from your boss that didn't go through the books? Ever earned extra cash from nixers, or whatever and didn't declare it? Ever taken a day off work cos you were "sick" and still got paid for it? Ever bought something that you suspect might have fallen off the back of a truck? Ever had a company car and didn't declare it for benefit in kind? Ever filled your own car up on the company fuel card? What about downloading mp3's and movies illegally? Or copying CD's?

Ever claimed 16years worth of fraudulent benefits? Eh no!
Actually, I don't think I am guilty of any of the crimes you have listed, bar earning babysitting money when I was 13 or 14.

Benefit fraud is such a scummy crime, the woman deserves to be judged, and reported, and as someone else mentioned, so does the doctor that gave her the false documents to prove the false illness.

brianthebard

HelterSkelter wrote:

And I suppose all the posters urging the OP to report her relative have halos above their heads? Ever taken a payment from your boss that didn't go through the books? Ever earned extra cash from nixers, or whatever and didn't declare it? Ever taken a day off work cos you were "sick" and still got paid for it? Ever bought something that you suspect might have fallen off the back of a truck? Ever had a company car and didn't declare it for benefit in kind? Ever filled your own car up on the company fuel card? What about downloading mp3's and movies illegally? Or copying CD's? Do you have a TV licence for your TV, a dog licence for your dog? Do you pay your bin charges? Has anyone made a false or exagerrated insurance claim? Or lied about their penalty points or other details in order to get cheaper insurance?

have you ever taken money from someone else's wages? That's what this person is doing. Just cause its coming from "Da govermint" doesn't mean that its not hurting anyone. You can't justify what this person is doing, no matter how hard you try.

r3nu4l

HelterSkelter wrote:

And I suppose all the posters urging the OP to report her relative have halos above their heads? Ever taken a payment from your boss that...?

Wow, long list of confessions there Helter...You have the right to remain silent, anything you do say...:D

mike65

While 'all property is theft' Helterskelter (as this seems to be your politics) the scale of the abode should be taken into account. If the OPs relative has averaged say 100 euro a week (a very conservative estimate) for 16 years thats €83,000 fraud not peanuts esp when one considers that its not that unusual.

Mike.

HelterSkelter

brianthebard wrote:

have you ever taken money from someone else's wages? That's what this person is doing. Just cause its coming from "Da govermint" doesn't mean that its not hurting anyone. You can't justify what this person is doing, no matter how hard you try.

I'm not trying to justify what OP's relative is doing, I know it is wrong. I'm just making the point that most of us have taken money dishonestly in one form or another at some stage of our lives. It's just that the only people who seem to get picked on, especially in forums like this, are people claiming welfare dishonestly. I never see any posts giving out about the business man who is employing eastern europeans and not putting them through the books, paying them less than min wage, etc.

tbh

mike65 wrote:

While 'all property is theft' Helterskelter (as this seems to be your politics) the scale of the abode should be taken into account. If the OPs relative has averaged say 100 euro a week (a very conservative estimate) for 16 years thats €83,000 fraud not peanuts esp when one considers that its not that unusual.

Mike.

whats worse is that shes making it more difficult for people who genuinely need that money and are entitled to it to get it - giving them more hassle. Shop her, CSG, you know you have to.

brianthebard

HelterSkelter wrote:

I'm not trying to justify what OP's relative is doing, I know it is wrong. I'm just making the point that most of us have taken money dishonestly in one form or another at some stage of our lives. It's just that the only people who seem to get picked on, especially in forums like this, are people claiming welfare dishonestly. I never see any posts giving out about the business man who is employing eastern europeans and not putting them through the books, paying them less than min wage, etc.

If you want to see that thread then start it yourself. Its not up to me or anyone else here to provide you with threads....

HelterSkelter

brianthebard wrote:

If you want to see that thread then start it yourself. Its not up to me or anyone else here to provide you with threads....

Provide me with threads? What are you on about. Ok, I'll rephrase it and maybe you'll understand...I never hear people giving out about the business man who is employing eastern europeans and not putting them through the books, paying them less than min wage, etc.. I only ever hear people giving out about people claiming the dole dishonestly.

Mrs_Doyle

Originally Posted by coolsmileygirl
f**k off that's it's free money etc from a government who have done nothing for her etc.

Sorry, its bugging me. I have to bring it up again.
This relation of yours, despite living for free, being supported by the government, with Tax payers money, is still of the opinion that the government has done nothing for her.

I really hope that you, or someone else, hangs the bitch out to dry.

Kimbot

HelterSkelter wrote:

Provide me with threads? What are you on about. Ok, I'll rephrase it and maybe you'll understand...I never hear people giving out about the business man who is employing eastern europeans and not putting them through the books, paying them less than min wage, etc.. I only ever hear people giving out about people claiming the dole dishonestly.

In all fairness in the OP's relatives case its her own choice to defraud the state and in the case of migrant workers working off the books.... thats their choice to do that!!

Its not right either way you look at it!! This thread is about one matter and people are giving their opinions on it so the underpaid workers argument doesn't have a place here!!

To the OP, all reports to Social welfare are confidential so I would advise you to ring them and tell them what is going on!! I would also report the doctor aswell!!

layke

Whoah Whoah Whoah CSG.

You do realize the ramifications of your actions here? Your talking about sending one of your relatives to prison.

I mean I have to agree that what she is doing is blatantly wrong but would it not be better to tell her to knock it off or else?

brianthebard

HelterSkelter wrote:

Provide me with threads? What are you on about. Ok, I'll rephrase it and maybe you'll understand...I never hear people giving out about the business man who is employing eastern europeans and not putting them through the books, paying them less than min wage, etc.. I only ever hear people giving out about people claiming the dole dishonestly.

Well tbh I don't hear of many cases of it happening. The last one that I remember in the news was the Shipping incident. I don't know of anyone doing this, if I did I probably would be giving out about it.

Ste.phen

HelterSkelter wrote:

Provide me with threads? What are you on about. Ok, I'll rephrase it and maybe you'll understand...I never hear people giving out about the business man who is employing eastern europeans and not putting them through the books, paying them less than min wage, etc.. I only ever hear people giving out about people claiming the dole dishonestly.

The liklihood of someone here knowing someone that illegally hires people below minimum wage is fairly low, and these people have a habit of getting caught when an employee unwittingly applies for rent tax relief, etc

On the other hand, with the apparently high level of scum cheating the social welfare system, there's a good chance a lot of us know someone that is / could be stealing benefits.

I'm not sure it's as straightforward as this
i'm pretty sure they are onto her but ya know yourself how these things work
i heard a rumour she was ratted on 3 year's ago(I'll ask again) but other than a random visit which resulted in her abusing them for first calling to the house when she wasn't there and then even suggesting anything like that ...nothing has come of it as she was out of the house on instruction's by her doctor...

she's on it for clinical depression like it i said but as far as i'm aware she tried to get it for M.E as she had it then I've heard from other's it was portpartum depression at the time that was dramatised
i'm not sure but i've heard M.E (google it)is skepitical amongst some doctor's? anyway she's said her long term side effects include chronic fatigue which resultd in her never being able to work as she has to take it easy (hmmm)
Anyway reporting the doctor (hmmm still don't even know) but seeing as herself was supposedly reported 3 year's ago I don't hold my breath

tbh

so - hang on. Are you sure she doesn't actually suffer from any of these conditions?

brianthebard

Well if you only reported the doctor then she wouldn't be able to hide behind his fake prescriptions and stuff. So she would either cop on (unlikely) or end up getting caught on her own steam. I'm the sort to get involved in other peoples affairs at all, but this doctor is clearly not taking his ethical responsibility seriously.

She doesn't have clinical depression..trust me and she's never been sick so far as I remember
She may have been sick but never to my knowledge.

Is M.E recoginised ?

HelterSkelter

It sounds like you need to get your facts straight before you go reporting her. It doesn't seem like you are certain she does not suffer from these conditions.
In any case she is in the clear as she has certification from a medical professional that she is unfit for work. They can't get her on anything as long as she sticks to her story. The only thing that will happen is the Dept will send her to one of their own doctors for an assessment.

r3nu4l

HelterSkelter wrote:

They can't get her on anything as long as she sticks to her story. The only thing that will happen is the Dept will send her to one of their own doctors for an accessment.

...who will examine her and if they find nothing wrong, report both her and her doctor for fraud. If the doctor is found guilty he/she will be rightly struck off

HelterSkelter

r3nu4l wrote:

...who will examine her and if they find nothing wrong, report both her and her doctor for fraud. If the doctor is found guilty he/she will be rightly struck off

Nope, they will just say that she doesn't suffer from the condition anymore and from now on can't claim.

from what i was told she is claiming depression because they wouldn't believe her M.E was long term even though she claim's to suffer chronic fatigue?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.E
there's no accepted conclusive test or series of test's

Fighting Irish

I'm on the dole and working, lol @ tax payers

FlutterinBantam

heh heh ..You are a thief and you post that fact on the Internet.

That about tells me all I need to know about you...

Fighting Irish

FlutterinBantam wrote:

heh heh ..You are a thief and you post that fact on the Internet.

That about tells me all I need to know about you...

go pay some taxes

InFront

coolsmileygirl wrote:

Is M.E recoginised ?

Absolutely. ME can be a terrible, debilitating disease and it is very much recognised as such.

WindSock

Ah feck it. Our taxes are already getting used and spilled and wasted in the wrong places anyway. I'd be more pee'd off with that than with a few benefit frauds.

Dave!

hmmmm interesting, a girl in my job is claiming the dole whilst working. We only started the job less than a month ago and she hasn't been paid yet, so I'll wait and see how much tax she has to pay (hasn't given in P45) before I decide to shop her or not ¬_¬

RoundyMooney

I got two lines into the first post and gave up.

With regard to the thread title, dole fraud bad, reporting dole fraud good, even if it's your own mother.

MooseJam

fair play to the woman, don't see what all the fuss is about

ArphaRima

Isn't there a no-jeopardy anonymous fraud hotline? I'd report it for sure.

Who in their right mind defrauds welfare then brags about it?

Degsy

fluffer wrote:

Who in their right mind defrauds welfare then brags about it?

Idiots thats who..

K-9

Does she have a council house as well?

Rb

CSG's relations are scummy knackers?What a surprise!

hawker27

i,m sure half the people that have replied or looked at this thread don,t know anyone that has broken the law or conned the social welfare:D .

ronbyrne2005

Has this woman worked while claiming? If not then maybe she does have mental health/ME probs which you are'nt aware of(can you read people minds?) . You dont seem too au fait with her exact condition and what she does and doesnt do, may be better to try encourage her to seek work/training course that will benefit her and family. Maybe shes "not a nice person" because she has real problems. Either way she does'nt seem to have a very nice life so i'd pity her more than want to shop her. How are the social services gonna know she ain't depressed? There is no objective tests for real meantal health probs like depression etc.

Nope

Mrs_Doyle

rb_ie wrote:

CSG's relations are scummy knackers?What a surprise!

Most of us have the odd relation that we would consider 'less than desirable'. However, I don't believe we should be judged on the actions of others, only on how we conduct ourselves.
CSG has a third level education and a good job, she pays taxes, and does not deserve to be tarred with the same brush as her fraudulent relations.

stovelid

I don't agree with falsely claiming medical benefits but if I'm going to get on a high horse about my taxes being squandered, I think wasteful health services, stupid millennium clocks, TD junkets etc etc annoy me more than some old dear chiseling the social in a country with minuscule levels of unemployment.

Maybe the civic minded here should ask some tough questions of their elected representatives as well as ratting on the old dear.