As9s hand

MrPillowTalk

5/10 nl 5 handed not at the table long, judging from chat villain is bad, yet thinks he can play. I have been aggresive since sitting but havent showed down a hand, Ive 3 bet him twice so far and won once preflop and once with c bet on flop.

Me 1100
Villain 850

In the BB with As9s, folded to villain in sb who completes, I raise to 40 villain calls.

Flop Qs 6h 6s

Villain checks I bet 80, villain min raises to 160, I call (yes I know).

Turn is 2d

Villain moves all in immediately 650.

Am I against a draw enough to call here? I have trouble putting him on a hand that minraises for value then pushes.

valor

i bet less on the flop, and just call the min raise too

turn is an easy fold

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

PT do not like the bet and in particular calling the min raise, you should give yourself a free card to try complete your flush, this stinks of A 6 if he is really that bad a player calling the 40 bet

padraig_f

I'd expect it to be a draw hardly ever. I think a draw either leads or check-raises bigger to give themselves some decent fold equity.

padser

easy fold. *** EDIT *** FLOP call was ok imo with the implied odds.

if he is bad u can def find a better spot to take his money.

Flushdraw

MrPillowTalk wrote:

5/10 nl 5 handed not at the table long, judging from chat villain is bad, yet thinks he can play. I have been aggresive since sitting but havent showed down a hand, Ive 3 bet him twice so far and won once preflop and once with c bet on flop.

Me 1100
Villain 850

In the BB with As9s, folded to villain in sb who completes, I raise to 40 villain calls.

Flop Qs 6h 6s

Villain checks I bet 80, villain min raises to 160, I call (yes I know).

Turn is 2d

Villain moves all in immediately 650.

Am I against a draw enough to call here? I have trouble putting him on a hand that minraises for value then pushes.

Eoin is this the rancid play you made last night?? If it is, i'm guessing you called, hit your flush and it gave him a house holding 76 or the like.

MrPillowTalk

Flushdraw wrote:

Eoin is this the rancid play you made last night?? If it is, i'm guessing you called, hit your flush and it gave him a house holding 76 or the like.

lol no, the rancid play was eh, more rancid.

Flushdraw

MrPillowTalk wrote:

lol no, the rancid play was eh, more rancid.

That corner that you're hoping to turn must seem further and further away every day! Hopefully your luck changes soon mate because you're probably making a lot of plays and loose calls that you never normally make while you're chasing. Maybe you'll take down the IO. Could be the big one that you've teased yourself with for so long.

MrPillowTalk

Flushdraw wrote:

That corner that you're hoping to turn must seem further and further away every day! Hopefully your luck changes soon mate because you're probably making a lot of plays and loose calls that you never normally make while you're chasing. Maybe you'll take down the IO. Could be the big one that you've teased yourself with for so long.

lol what makes you think I called? Im actually playing quite spectacularly at the moment (if I do say so myself).

fuzzbox

Bad players minraise 6x and shove the turn all the time.

Hectorjelly

yeah and there is only one draw to have, which is unlikely because of your holding.

jackyback are you sure you are in the right forum?

ianmc38

You'd need to be smokin whatever jackyback was smoking last night to call here.

bops

personaly i'd push when he c/mrr you otf

he could have anything here - your A may be even good!!

tough spot tho

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Hectorjelly wrote:

yeah and there is only one draw to have, which is unlikely because of your holding.

jackyback are you sure you are in the right forum?

yes pretty sure i am this is the embroidery/knitting thread, was slightly pissed las night typing this what i mean is the bet of 40 pre flop was to much, would have checked the flop or certainly lead out for a lot cheaper than 80, once he reraises you get out as i do not like calling his min raise with you only on a draw, any problems with this HJ almighty one:)
what i am merely pointing out in OP is that you had a chance to see a free turn card which you should have taken, my thoughts anyhow

ianmac never suggested calling if thats what your original post emplies???

ianmc38

No, I was saying betting in that spot is unbelievably standard. Not betting would often be a mistake as would folding to the minraise!

phantom_lord

betting is 100% standard! and folding to the min raise is madness!

Samba

On occasion I like to check these draws...sometimes i bet.....sometimes i check. Hard for your opponent to put you on the flush if it hits on the turn...when checked.

As played...i agree with everyone...standard line and now it's time to fold... for you to specificallly put your opponent on a draw...(considering your hodling as HJ pointed out) with no physical reads.... being online texas no holdem poker...I fold here i don't care how bad the player is...they generally have you beat here.

Gholimoli

I don’t think checking behind on the flop here is a mistake at all.
Im not saying betting it is a mistake as it is obviously not but checking can be good in times and infact in this situation I think checking behind is a better play than betting.

When you bet this flop you want villain to fold a certain % of the time and you want to be able to win the pot there and then for this to be a good play.
Here Hero has been active and aggressive especially against this villain, having taken him off pots with reraises and Cbets.
With this in mind I think this really reduces out FE on the flop so I think a check behind is better as if villain CR here we pretty much have to let it go.

Solksjaer

Gholimoli wrote:

I don’t think checking behind on the flop here is a mistake at all.
Im not saying betting it is a mistake as it is obviously not but checking can be good in times and infact in this situation I think checking behind is a better play than betting.

When you bet this flop you want villain to fold a certain % of the time and you want to be able to win the pot there and then for this to be a good play.
Here Hero has been active and aggressive especially against this villain, having taken him off pots with reraises and Cbets.
With this in mind I think this really reduces out FE on the flop so I think a check behind is better as if villain CR here we pretty much have to let it go.

I agree with a lot of this, especially the FE part. If you have been aggressive agianst the guy, he is digging in here with something average (pride comes before a rebuy) Would the guy do this without the NUT f/draw? (hmmmm)
It's a strong move by him that should usually take the pot down. He definitely doesn't credit you for anything on the flop here. My fishdar puts him on KJ of spades. (my fishdar doesn't work online though)

MrPillowTalk

I folded pretty quick and didnt think much of it, but when I was going over the session afterwards the hand stood out a bit on the hand history.

The line from villain just seemed like a bluff line when I studied it, its an unusual play imo for any 6 here, so my thinking was that it could be a small pair or a weak Q but I find it hard to see him check min raise push either of these holdings. It just appears like a spot I would expect to see a worse flush draw some of the time, or AA KK QQ I suppose could play this line.

Hmm all confuzled.

cardshark202

Fold seems fine here. Against a player who min-raises the flop a lot I shove flop obv