is this a strange line with AA?

Gholimoli · 13-03-2007 12:41pm #1

2/4
Don’t know much about villain have not seen anything out of the ordinary from him but cant comment on his game really.

Stacks 400 game is 6 max

Villain makes it 16 from UTG+1 and I flat call from BB with AA.

Flop (34)

Ks 8h 2h
I check .
Villain bets 40
I call.

Turn (124)
5d
I lead for 80.
Villain calls.

River (284)
2 d
I check.
Villain shoves.

I call.
How did I play this?

phantom_lord · 13-03-2007 12:52pm

no 3bet pf?

is the river not a fold?

edit: oops no, misread the pot/stack size, thought it was a big over bet.

Captain Tom · 13-03-2007 1:09pm

i dont like how you played it p/f but i think i call river.you hand is way under-repped here so i can see villian value pushing worse hands.

i cant see villian flat calling turn with a set with 2 hearts on board.river is a brick and he can also show busted flush draw here.

Scouser in Dub · 13-03-2007 1:14pm

I don't think I mind the flat call as you are assured of being heads up anyway though I would not like should you not be closing the action.

However I think that your hand is so well disguised at this point that he can shove any king for value as well as busted draws as a bluff all you are scared of here is KK

fattony99 · 13-03-2007 1:17pm

Most people 3 bet pf but I like to play it like this occassionally on the button.
Did you check the river to induce a value bet/bluff?

Gholimoli · 13-03-2007 1:33pm

fattony99 wrote:

Most people 3 bet pf but I like to play it like this occassionally on the button.
Did you check the river to induce a value bet/bluff?

yeah i mean when i chekced the river i was going to call any bet from hin which would like be a shove.
i felt alot of hands would check behind there on the river as well so a shove would more than likely be a pure bluff or a very strong hand like a set or two pair.
a strong hand was unlikely cuz of the flat call on the turn .
but basically i did check the river with the intention of calling any bet.

Sparky1808 · 13-03-2007 1:37pm

I'm one of the few here I think that will compliment the way you've played your AA here Gholi.

You've sucked him in lovely if he's playing AK, KQ, KJ, or even an underpair to the K or even a busted flush draw and give him the rope to hang himself with, I think you can feel harshly done by if he's playing KK or any set for that matter.

jimbling · 13-03-2007 1:47pm

I see no problem with the way you played the hand. May not be ideal in every situation but it's good every now and again.

Ste05 · 13-03-2007 1:51pm

Seems fine if you haven't been re-raising from the blinds. If you've re-raised this guy even once previously then I prefer a 3-bet. Also was the table a very aggressive one, if so, again I prefer a 3-bet.

As played, I also call everytime. I like the turn bet size.

ocallagh · 13-03-2007 2:12pm

Looks good to me if you have been playing your normal aggressive game prior to this hand. Your 80 on the turn is one of those weird bets which the villain cannot make sense of, so they call to see what you do on the next street. They do this with a lot of hands, AXh, AKh, AK, KQh, KQ etc. When you check the river the 80 on the turn now looks like a weak blocker bet or something and allows all those hands above to push. He may even be bluffing with QQ or something, trying to take you off KQ or something.

Gholimoli · 13-03-2007 2:31pm

ocallagh wrote:

Looks good to me if you have been playing your normal aggressive game prior to this hand. Your 80 on the turn is one of those weird bets which the villain cannot make sense of, so they call to see what you do on the next street. They do this with a lot of hands, AXh, AKh, AK, KQh, KQ etc. When you check the river the 80 on the turn now looks like a weak blocker bet or something and allows all those hands above to push. He may even be bluffing with QQ or something, trying to take you off KQ or something.

Here is my thought process:
I flat called here for no specific reason really but because the raise came from EP I felt if I under represent my hand it could potentially payoff.

The check on the flop was to continue with my plan and I also didn’t want to be facing a raise.
If I bet out here and get raised I felt it would put me in an awkward situation on the turn and river.
The down side would be him checking a flush draw behind but then again I wasn’t going to pay much more if the flush hit and I was facing heavy action.

His bet on the flop made me think he has something and doesn’t like the flush draw. Either he has the K or maybe an underpaid or something.

I just flat called with the intention of betting out on the turn should the flush not hit making it look like im flushing and also making him pay if he is flushing! Comments?

As I said his flat call of my turn bet lead me to believe he is not that strong and my hand is good.
I felt a strong hand would think im committed to the pot and would raise here especially with that flush on the bored.

On the river nothing really changed and I still thought I was ahead ,I felt if I bet he will call with any K maybe QQ and drop anything else, if I check he may value bet a lot of hands that I have beat but he may check them behind too but he may bluff a lot of hands too .
So I checked and called his shove.
He had AK and my hand was good but im not sure about the river really, I think a better play would be to bet here ?
I mean If I was villain I would check behind with AK,KQ, etc here but I would call a bet so what do we think?

ocallagh · 13-03-2007 2:36pm

Gholimoli wrote:

He had AK and my hand was good but im not sure about the river really, I think a better play would be to bet here ?
I mean If I was villain I would check behind with AK,KQ, etc here but I would call a bet so what do we think?

No, a bet looks too strong, he may only call with AK and may fold a lot of hands he would have bluffed with. It really looks like you have KQ and the blocker bet on the turn was very good IMO. AK pushes all day against your line in this hand. The paired 2 only strengthens his hand.

Captain Tom · 13-03-2007 2:46pm

ocallagh you said the hand looked good to you if he had been playing his usual aggressive game.

if he plays aggressive wouldnt this be incentive to reraise p/f as opposed to flat call?

ocallagh · 13-03-2007 3:11pm

Captain Tom wrote:

ocallagh you said the hand looked good to you if he had been playing his usual aggressive game.

if he plays aggressive wouldnt this be incentive to reraise p/f as opposed to flat call?

Just adds to the deception that's all. this is a total slow play, with blocker bets, no 3-betting, river checking etc etc. Sure he could have used his aggressive history to 3 bet here and hope to get it all in preflop, but mixing up your game like this is good I think.

ianmc38 · 13-03-2007 3:40pm

I'd call the river. What's with the check flop lead blank turn line? On the river, I'd check behind everything but a boat/AK/AA if i was the villain here.

Scouser in Dub · 13-03-2007 3:45pm

ianmc38 wrote:

What's with the check flop lead blank turn line? On the river,

does it not look like a blocking bet encouraging the opponent to value shove the river with a good king?

ianmc38 · 13-03-2007 3:47pm

Scouser in Dub wrote:

does it not look like a blocking bet encouraging the opponent to value shove the river with a good king?

no. 80 into a pot of 120 is never a blocking bet. when someone checks one or two streets then leads the next for a large bet, it's usually a monster.

It's ok for gholi though cos he probably has a bad image...