1080p ps3 games

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not a lot of 1080p games out at the moment

can any one see more coming

i hear virtua tennis 3 is in 1080p, any more coming out

and any 1080p games out at the moment

xanthor

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote:

and any 1080p games out at the moment

Ridge Racer 7 allegedly.

jesus_thats_gre

Off the top of my head, that is about it.

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i think i heard full auto 2 is 1080p

McDermotX

Not a massive amount at the moment..
Ridge Racer 7
Flow
Blast Factor
Virtua Tennis 3
NBA 07
Tekken: Dark Resurrection
Gran Turismo HD
Full Auto 2
Lair (not 100%confirmed yet, but has been displayed running at 1080p)

Bear in my mind that they are 1080p native rendered games..
Virtua Fighter 5 does contain 1080p scaled support via access to the internal scaler....but it is native 720p..
Same applies to Sonic is I'm not mistaken..
Its included with said titles, to provide 1080 compatibility with a lot of US HD CRTs which may not support 720p, but do support 1080i (very rare over in Europe). Without this 1080i/p scaling the game would downscale to 480p (a source of major complaints with the launch 720p titles and owners of such displays)..
Owners of 1080p displays can see this 1080p rendering in VF5 by disabling 720p support in video options but leaving 1080i/p checked on the console frontend....looks better at native 720p to me though..

Its possible we will see more games capable of using the scaler (same idea, but different execution to the 360's) and proper 1080p titles over the next year or so, but its difficult to see multi-format titles rendered natively due to their side-by-side dev with 360..

Ciaran500

McDermotX wrote:

but its difficult to see multi-format titles rendered natively due to their side-by-side dev with 360..

Why? 360 can do 1080p, I believe Virtua Tennis 3 will be on of the first to do it natively.

McDermotX

Ciaran500 wrote:

Why? 360 can do 1080p, I believe Virtua Tennis 3 will be on of the first to do it natively.

Nothing technically,
Virtua Tennis is the only one developed and is, frankly, not the most demanding game. So 1080 progressive isn't the biggest challenge in that case.
All 360 games are rendered at 720p (and some below that..PGR3), but the internal scaler allows for upscaling output from the frame buffer.
All SDK and dev tools for the 360 are geared towards the use of the frame buffer in this way, so 1080 progressive has never been a target, and because of the increase on resources, has been too much of a performance hit to reproduce natively under the current toolset.
The Xenon GPU does technically allow for this, but I would predict that 1080p rendering will remain more of a goal for the PS3 than 360's ultimate 720p 4xFSAA 60fps goal..
1080p rendering is a massive strain on any subsystem, and given the nature of graphical features in todays game and basic CPU/memory requirements, a trade-off exists for the developer to consider.....in this case, 60fps or 30fps..

This is not a slight on the 360 specs at all, but MS did appear foolish to denounce 1080p as a domain of "Live Arcade" style games when Sony were bullish about the PS3's power.
In a lot of people's mind....360 equals 720p and PS3 equals 1080p (even if they don't have the display to show it )
Its a public perception, rather than a technical impossibility for the 360, and its something Sony have pushed home..

Don't get me wrong, some of the 1080p games on the PS3 look stunning on a 1080p display (Tekken, Flow, GTHD etc) and with the right setup, clearly show an improvement over 720p, but not all PS3 games will be 1080p and if you can't get a solid frame-rate in 720p on either system with graphically superior games, 1080p will remain out of reach with this current generation of titles..

Headshot

McDermotX wrote:

Not a massive amount at the moment..
Ridge Racer 7
Flow
Blast Factor
Virtua Tennis 3
NBA 07
Tekken: Dark Resurrection
Gran Turismo HD
Full Auto 2
Lair (not 100%confirmed yet, but has been displayed running at 1080p)

Bear in my mind that they are 1080p native rendered games..
..

Dermot what do you mean by 'they are 1080p native rendered games'

McDermotX

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote:

Dermot what do you mean by 'they are 1080p native rendered games'

As in the display output is rendered at 1920x1080p as long as your display supports it (as in 1080p)......Sony's buzzword for this is Full HD, others call it True HD (not to be confused with Dolby's HD track)..
This is the games native mode, which also incorporates the ability to also render at 720p for, lets face it, 99% percent of people out there..

Sony's ultimate aim was for games to be 1080p (as in rendered natively) as opposed to 720p in the 360's case. The 360 will output at 1080i/p also, but this is the internal scaler as work, processing the frame buffer.
This is not to be confused with 1080p native. All the strain is on the console subsystem...GFX,CPU,Memory etc.. It is a huge undertaking, at least to achieve 60fps with any degree of graphical fidelity..

There is evidence of the newly accessible "scaler" in the PS3 being put to work in Virtua Fighter 5 and Sonic (?). The games are 720p native, but developers have been given access (since January apparently) to effective "horizontal scaling". A game can be rendered at 960x1080, producing a 1080 progressive height, and the scaler can filter the output of the graphic buffer to produce the full render.
This is a different approach to MS's scaling in the 360, but the net result is the same.

As mentioned above, there is a way for the 1080p output of VF5 to be seen with 1080p displays, but it was introduced to combat the incompatibility issues with pre-HD CRT displays in Japan and America. And also, perhaps, as a method for possible scaling in PS1/PS2/DVD on the upcoming software emulation of the PS3..

As I mentioned in a previous post, 1080p native rendering is not just a PS3 technicality, as Virtua Tennis on 360 will show (think that NBA Homecourt does as well, but at 30fps), and how long has the PC being doing it , but it is feature of a number of launch titles..
The truth is it won't matter to the vast majority of PS3 and 360 owners..

um7y1h83ge06nx

The problem with 1080p I thought is that you need a huge display to be able to spot the difference between it and 720p without putting your nose up to the screen? Would love to properly compare the two.

When I was shopping for a HDTV I ran on several websites that to make 1080p really worthwhile you need to go 50 inch and bigger.

Anyone here compare 720p and 1080p properly?

EDIT: My 360 gamertag doesn't mean I'm a Xbox fanboy and I'm being hostile to the PS3 (might get one when it drops in price).

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iv a 37" 1080p tv

havent played any games yet in 1080p but played a blue ray at 1080p and you can see the difference

Burning Eclipse

McDermotX wrote:

All 360 games are rendered at 720p (and some below that..PGR3), but the internal scaler allows for upscaling output from the frame buffer.

I missed out on this info somehow... Can anybody fill me in on it.. about PGR that is?

Also, my 2 cents, I'm sick of hearing about 1080p. Resistance was aiming for it afaik, but it was 720p in the end. Who fuckin cares, it's still a graphical powerhouse!

Ciaran500

Burning Eclipse wrote:

I missed out on this info somehow... Can anybody fill me in on it.. about PGR that is?

Its running at 1024*600, just under 720p to keep the framerate. Don't think any other game has used this since.

Burning Eclipse

Ciaran500 wrote:

Its running at 1024*600, just under 720p to keep the framerate. Don't think any other game has used this since.

Thanks for that man. I played quite a bit of PGR3, but then my 360 was stolen and I never got back into the career mode after all my ferrari's et al. were "stolen" along with the console

Sorry for O/T

McDermotX

Esteban Early Pennon wrote:

The problem with 1080p I thought is that you need a huge display to be able to spot the difference between it and 720p without putting your nose up to the screen? Would love to properly compare the two.

When I was shopping for a HDTV I ran on several websites that to make 1080p really worthwhile you need to go 50 inch and bigger.

Anyone here compare 720p and 1080p properly?

EDIT: My 360 gamertag doesn't mean I'm a Xbox fanboy and I'm being hostile to the PS3 (might get one when it drops in price).

Correct,
1080p does require some consideration when purchasing....namely screen size and viewing distance..
With the correct setup, the difference is very noticable and worth it, for my two cents.
But if anyone is using say a 40" display and sitting 10-15ft away, its unlikely to be noticed. Stick 1080p up on a 1080p projector, like a Sony Pearl, with an 8-10ft screen, and the difference is night and day. People with 40" 1080p screens, will probably not want to sit more than 6-8ft away to notice the change from 720p to 1080p, and then a lot of it comes down to the viewers eyesight anyway..

1080p is vitally important to the PS3, due to its use as a Blu-ray player, but I predict 720p will be the norm for the time being games-wise..
Also, don't forget that the PS3 will not display Blu-ray films at 720p (was removed in the first firmware update), so make sure your display is 1080p, or able to display 1080i (HD Ready certification in Europe requires the display to be able to display 720p and 1080i). Other wise you may have problems..

As posted earlier, 1080p rendering is a massive undertaking, even for this next-gen, and many publishers have stated they would prefer more time to optimize for this. Insomniac (RFOM) claimed that they would have used 1080p rendering if they had had another few months dev time.
Don't worry though, its still a nice looking game at 720p (especially on later levels)..

McDermotX

How about God of War 3 in 1080p ?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157967

Long way off though I'm sure..

Flaccus

Esteban Early Pennon wrote:

The problem with 1080p I thought is that you need a huge display to be able to spot the difference between it and 720p without putting your nose up to the screen?

PC's have been running higher then 1080p for a while now. Take a Dell 2407WFP 24" LCD which while it can't do 1080p over dvi but it can do an even higher res over vga or dvi (native res is 1920x1200). Now play Oblivion on it, (assuming you have a G80 video card to push the framerates). Then drop the res to 1280x1024 (still higher then 720p) and compare. To my eyes there is a huge difference between 1920 and 1280. There are less jaggies apparent for one thing at 1920 (even when using Anti Aliasing), texures just look sharper. The gaming experience is just miles better. I can only imagine what 1080p native games must look like on a 37" LCD TV. Then again if you are sitting back far enough from a 37" screen I suppose the difference between 1080p and 720p becomes blurred. The PC holy grail has now moved onto 30" displays that can do 2500x1600

Vegeta

McDermotX wrote:

Also, don't forget that the PS3 will not display Blu-ray films at 720p (was removed in the first firmware update), so make sure your display is 1080p, or able to display 1080i (HD Ready certification in Europe requires the display to be able to display 720p and 1080i). Other wise you may have problems..

Why did they remove the ability to display at 720p?

McDermotX

Vegeta wrote:

Why did they remove the ability to display at 720p?

There has never been an explanation........but 1080i should be acceptable for most people, depends on display though......some displays don't downscale 1080i as effectively as they display 720p, so those people will probably have something to moan about..
Its been on the wishlist with Sony ever since the first firmware "broke" that particular feature..

The cynic in me would say its to drive 1080p sales ....but I don't think its a simple as that..
It may very well be re-introduced in a later update, but it has been around a while now........Bear in mind, its only an issue with Blu-ray playback, games are unaffected..

Zapp Brannigan

Tbh this whole 1080p just goes right over my head. I have a Samsung that can display 720p and 1080i and I'm quite happy with it.
Can't see myself shelling out money for a massive TV, considering the PS3 will be in my bedroom where I dont need a massive tv, 27 inches is just fine.

Vegeta

McDermotX wrote:

Bear in mind, its only an issue with Blu-ray playback, games are unaffected..

oooohhhhhhhhhh ok that's a different matter, thanks for clearing that up

Flaccus

Of course if your tv can't output 1080p which 99% can't then 1080p will never be an issue for you

Out of interest what do 1080p LCD TV's go for these days ? Are they still uber expensive.

xanthor

Flaccus wrote:

Out of interest what do 1080p LCD TV's go for these days ? Are they still uber expensive.

Price depends what you consider an acceptable size for 1080P, if 40 inches will do, then about €1800. If it's 50+ Then you can pick up a RP Sony for about €2000.

Samsung have a new line of 1080P TVs due any week now, prices for the R87 may be a little lower.

Flaccus

Eh ?

You say for 1800 you can get 40" 1080p and for 2k you can get a 50" Sony with 1080p. Try 4k euro for a 46" 1080p Sony. Twice what you were quoting and 4" smaller.
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=320850

Now maybe there are shops out there selling these and not charging vat or you know of some place that is charging these really low prices, but what you are saying sounds a little like BS for the 50" screen. I admit I have come accross a cheapish Samsing LE40 1080p for around 1800, but that seems the exception rather then the rule. Would be interested in learning where I can get a 50" 1080 for 2k though.

Can you show me a link please ?

xanthor

Xanthor wrote:

. If it's 50+ Then you can pick up a RP Sony for about €2000.

Flaccus wrote:

Would be interested in learning where I can get a 50" 1080 for 2k though.

I said *about* 2000, it's the KDS55A200, 2200 last time i looked in my nearest Sony Center.

koneko

KDS55A200 is rear projection.

xanthor

koneko wrote:

KDS55A200 is rear projection.

Look at post # 23.

xanthor wrote:

If it's 50+ Then you can pick up a RP Sony for about €2000.

Headshot

Flaccus wrote:

Eh ?

You say for 1800 you can get 40" 1080p and for 2k you can get a 50" Sony with 1080p. Try 4k euro for a 46" 1080p Sony. Twice what you were quoting and 4" smaller.
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=320850

Now maybe there are shops out there selling these and not charging vat or you know of some place that is charging these really low prices, but what you are saying sounds a little like BS for the 50" screen. I admit I have come accross a cheapish Samsing LE40 1080p for around 1800, but that seems the exception rather then the rule. Would be interested in learning where I can get a 50" 1080 for 2k though.

Can you show me a link please ?

heres the 1080p tv i got

http://www.technikdirekt.de/main/en/.../Article.html?
just click Ireland and the tv will show up

very good price

Flaccus

Thanks Dude. Link not working for me though.
Must check out the local Sony centre.

I see Komplett have the Samsung 40" for well under 2k. It's their first 1080p model. Tempting for the money. But the reviews I read say it does a 3% ovescan, no option to turn it off, and no 1:1 pixel mapping, so if you feed it a 1920 signal it is effectively using software to stretch the image so you loose around 3% around the edges. Apparently all the blue ray movies have line noise around the edges and this is the purpose of overscan - to get rid of it at the cost of loosing part of the screen. The problem with the Samsung is that it is fixed. There is supposed to be a cable/cd firmware upgrade you can get from Samsung which gets rid of the overscan in 1920 only so you effectively get 1:1 pixel mapping. I think they call it Real Scan. But then it's back to the green lines. Seems you can't win.

Flaccus

xanthor wrote:

Look at post # 23.

OK..did not twig the rp part until you spelled it out.
Not exactly obvious.

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Flaccus wrote:

Thanks Dude. Link not working for me though.
Must check out the local Sony centre.

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sorry about that try this http://www.technikdirekt.de/main/en/lcd-plasma-tv/lcd-tv-ab46/122850/-/Article.html?&viewmode=search

there talking about it on avforums

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425074&page=7&highlight=xoro

Flaccus

Thanks.

Any idea if it does 1:1 pixel mapping, and if there is overscan and option to tweak it.

thanks

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Flaccus wrote:

Thanks.

Any idea if it does 1:1 pixel mapping, and if there is overscan and option to tweak it.

thanks

not sure mate ask the lads on avforum