Hand from SE DC last night

Glowingmind

Down to 7

Blinds are 2k/4k
I have 33k

Look down at AcJc

Player directly to my right makes it 12k. (from utg+1 if i recall correctly)
We've not been at the FT long and i've not been at a table with this player at all over the course of the evening so don't know how he's been playing.

Fold, call and reassess on the flop, or just shove?

karlh

fold.

BigCityBanker

I dont think you have time to wait around for a better spot.

Id like to think I could fold but realisticly id be just fooling myself. Hopefully he has 88 - 1010 and not JJ+

Only reason I fold is if there are other desperately short stacks on the table?

Who won?

BobSloane

I'd generally shove. Blinds are moving towards you and you have an M of 5ish or even effectivly 3.5 as its down to 7 players. You could get more or less blinded out before you get a better spot

ollyk1

Can I ask for some more information.

How many chips does the raiser have?

How many chips are in play?

What are your opponents like?

Do you feel you have an edge generally?

What's the prize structure?

How long is left at this blind level?

Have you been raising much recently??

My initial response is whatever I do I won't flat call.

Without the answers to the above questions I'd say I lay it down ~75% of the time in this spot with no read of weakness from my opponent.

karlh

I think I'd rather fold and open push any 2 next hand.

i'm guesing he had AK and GM spiked a Jack

phantom_lord

calling is out of the question.

fold.

Solksjaer

Depends on Stack Size really. You can't call it's a push or fold decision.

AJ is a gambling hand suited or not. I don't like getting in behind ever unless shortstacked and need a double up. You are at less than 10 big blinds so....PUSH/GAMBLE. It's unlikely you are ahead though if he calls you.

Glowingmind

Answers to ollys Q's

Not 100% sure how much he had, about 60-70k i think.

483,000 chips in play

I felt it was a pretty strong FT overall, with at least 4 of the remaining 7 being potential winners.

Normally i'm pretty happy shorthanded, even with a short stack, but in this case i think there's too many good players at the table for me to have much of an edge.

2k and io sat ticket for first.

Blinds are going up in about 4 mins

I think i had only made one raise at the final table.

Solksjaer

Glowingmind wrote:

Answers to ollys Q's

Not 100% sure how much he had, about 60-70k i think.

483,000 chips in play

I felt it was a pretty strong FT overall, with at least 4 of the remaining 7 being potential winners.

Normally i'm pretty happy shorthanded, even with a short stack, but in this case i think there's too many good players at the table for me to have much of an edge.

2k and io sat ticket for first.

Blinds are going up in about 4 mins

I think i had only made one raise at the final table.

blinds going UP?

It's a defo PUSH man, get em in. Marginal but the gods have forced you into this.

You are still asking a good question to the raiser, who will probably call, but could fold a mid pair.

LuckyLloyd

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ollyk1

Glowingmind wrote:

Answers to ollys Q's

Not 100% sure how much he had, about 60-70k i think.

483,000 chips in play

I felt it was a pretty strong FT overall, with at least 4 of the remaining 7 being potential winners.

Normally i'm pretty happy shorthanded, even with a short stack, but in this case i think there's too many good players at the table for me to have much of an edge.

2k and io sat ticket for first.

Blinds are going up in about 4 mins

I think i had only made one raise at the final table.

If you push and its folded back to this guy if he's anyway decent he'll call. How can he not for 21k into a 72k pot with the blinds rising?

Even if he loses he's still in it.

Without FE against this guy and with 4 players acting after you I thnk I'm leaning even more towards a fold. You are rarely going to be a big enough favourite against an unknown. If it was a loose SE regular than you could well see a worse ace here quite a bit but I'd give this guy the benefit of the doubt in this instance as

a. You don't know much about him except he's got to the FT with a decent stack

b. He has enough chips not to need to nick the blinds from utg+1

You are short and a gamble to increase your stack would be okay but being first to act is always better.

Bottom line is you have a hand that looks nice but its not performing very well against a general players range and any chance that you are a slight favourite is probably eroded by the players acting after you.

While you need to gamble if its an aggressive table with decent mtt players there is every chance they will tangle and you could easily win a few €000's from that alone and maybe you get some decent cards for you to push with in postion. :rolleyes:

Edit: Do unknowns fold TT in this spot Lloyd if you push?? I don't think they do.

LuckyLloyd

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Goodluck2me

this should be a standard fold imo. unless the villain is very aggressive, two poitns ollyk makes i agree with are i) the villain is under no pressure so shouldnt be stealing with sh1t aces, ii) you have no folding equity v him. if he calls and loses he still has c 30-35K so he def calls.

phantom_lord

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Olly, I would never assume that an unknown is any good, or that his range in this spot is 1010+.

He should never fold a hand better than yours here given the pot odds he will get on the call - but mistakes are made by some players in such situations.

bad calls by unknowns are more likely than bad fold imo

Flushdraw

Hi GM,

Personally i fold here because I know Fergus' range here for an UTG raise that early at a FT and everything beats AJs. But when we got down to the FT, the average stack was a little over 10BB and with blinds approaching you and levels going up, i dont blame you for pushing in this spot

Glowingmind

So, as FD said, i pushed.
Flopped a jack, but he made a running flush with his AdKs

Was a tough one, generally i think i'm probably better folding here and shoving with any two when no one else has acted. I felt he had a strong hand, but was hoping it would have been closer to 50/50 than it was.

What made my decision was the fact the the blinds were goin up so soon, leaving me with 5bbs which would increase the chances of me geting my chips in with a considerably worse holding.

Hitman Actual

Bit late now cos I've seen the answer, but I think this is a standard fold. Generally I'm very push-happy in the sub-10BB mark, but this spot just looks very unprofitable.

a-k-47

karlh wrote:

I think I'd rather fold and open push any 2 next hand.

i'm guesing he had AK and GM spiked a Jack

Can i have what your smoking?..

Flushdraw

Glowingmind wrote:

So, as FD said, i pushed.
Flopped a jack, but he made a running flush with his AdKs

Was a tough one, generally i think i'm probably better folding here and shoving with any two when no one else has acted. I felt he had a strong hand, but was hoping it would have been closer to 50/50 than it was.

What made my decision was the fact the the blinds were goin up so soon, leaving me with 5bbs which would increase the chances of me geting my chips in with a considerably worse holding.

Not too sure if folding and open pushing the next hand would have been correct. Picking up 6k isnt going to make too much difference to your stack but by pushing with AJ you have a small chance of picking up 18k uncontested and if Fergus had a small pair, you'd gladly take the race at this stage for a 70K+ pot

LuckyLloyd

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