it is a rip off

ZygOte

Just to give you guys an idea of how much sony are ripping us off.. im in hong kong for the week and have been doing a little trawling around the stores , you can pick up a ps3 60gb model here for as low as €300 depending on where you go and how much you haggle

AceCard Jones

Then buy it there.....
Nobody is asking you to buy it here, the price bitching really has gotten old now, it was announced last year for God's sake, give or take.

projectmayhem

xbox 360 with 20GB hdd: €409
HD-DVD add-on: €200
wireless adaptor: €80

ps3: €630 with 3 times the HDD, blu-ray & wireless built-in.

it's a reasonable price with extra's that you're forced to own. i'm sure people moaned about the DVD player in the PS2 adding cost 6 years ago, when most games still came on CD-ROM

ZygOte

oooo touchy touchy calm down. ive had a ps3 for the last 4months anyway, just informing people that they have choices. you may be tired hearing it but there may be other who are not as divinely informed as yourself.

Kinetic^

You said it PM, you're forced to own.

AceCard Jones

Yes in a way you're forced to own, but when you look past that, you're getting more than your bang for your buck.That's the biggest problem with most people who have this problem with the PS3.You're getting more than your money is worth in this case.

super_furry

AceCard Jones wrote:

Yes in a way you're forced to own, but when you look past that, you're getting more than your bang for your buck.That's the biggest problem with most people who have this problem with the PS3.You're getting more than your money is worth in this case.

Yes but people don't want it. I don't want to pay €629 for a Blu-Ray player, and I don't want to play €629 for a console. As a gamer I resent having hardware that I don't want and can't use foisted upon me. If there was a Blu-Ray free PS3 for a more sensible price, I'd be in the launch queue, but as it is, I won't even consider buying one until there's a large price-drop.

BlitzKrieg

That's the biggest problem with most people who have this problem with the PS3.You're getting more than your money is worth in this case.

What alot of people have a probleim with is that most of it is circumstantial.

There is too many *what if* questions over these extra features.

What if blu ray fails to take off

What if I dont have a HDTV (which is true for me

What if I dont have a wireless router? (which is also true for me)

What if I dont want to use the online support at all

Yes those are problems that haunt the 360 aswell, and yes people have complained about those elements. That a 360 is essentially a gimped machine unless you take it online, that some of the games suffer problems unless you have a high def television. This could very well be a big factor as to why the 360 hasnt been as big here in ireland (where honestly our broadband support is pretty lacklustre, our hdtv pick up rate is even lower, and most homes can use anything from 56k-isdn-cable modem) compared to say the USA where broadband is almost everywhere and where the 360 enjoys alot more success.

people would be less itchy about paying 600 if they were garunteed out of the box that they will use all these features.

its a problem both machines suffer...the difference is the ps3 has gone a few steps further then the 360 making it a bigger risk for a large number of people.

notahappycamper

AceCard Jones wrote:

Then buy it there.....
Nobody is asking you to buy it here, the price bitching really has gotten old now, it was announced last year for God's sake, give or take.

Don't mind this person (AceCard Jones) - sounds like a geeky nerd who wants someone to give him a lift into town the night GAME do a midnight launch. He wants to be the 1st person in Ireland to own a PS3 with all his pre-orders!!!! LOL

lee_baby_simms

projectmayhem wrote:

xbox 360 with 20GB hdd: €409
HD-DVD add-on: €200
wireless adaptor: €80

ps3: €630 with 3 times the HDD, blu-ray & wireless built-in.

it's a reasonable price with extra's that you're forced to own. i'm sure people moaned about the DVD player in the PS2 adding cost 6 years ago, when most games still came on CD-ROM

Thats true also its nice to have it all in one box. However with the xbox theres always been the option to get the bare console at €300 for cash strapped parents, teenagers etc.

RE*AC*TOR

the PS3 is ONLY €630???

wow, I might get two.

AceCard Jones

notahappycamper wrote:

Don't mind this person (AceCard Jones) - sounds like a geeky nerd who wants someone to give him a lift into town the night GAME do a midnight launch. He wants to be the 1st person in Ireland to own a PS3 with all his pre-orders!!!! LOL

Oh no, I feel so insulted, I think I'll go and cry now!:rolleyes:

Moving on......

Even if Blu-ray fails, it doesn't mean the PS3 has failed as a games console.
The Wii doesn't boast any amazing format for it's discs and people don't give buying games for it a seconds thought in that regard, whether you want Blu-Ray or not it has so much more space than DVD's, and is a better format, whether it beats HD-DVD is yet to be seen, but as reports go it's heading that way already.But when comparing the PS3's game Blu-Ray format to the
360's DVD9 format, Blue Dragon for the 360 will apparently be taking up 4 discs, whereas with the PS3 it could all fit on one were it released on it.

BlitzKrieg

Even if Blu-ray fails, it doesn't mean the PS3 has failed as a games console.

If blu ray fails one of the biggest incentives for the ps3 (according to its own marketing) is gone. Even if nobody cares about blu ray and sony tried to retool their marketing focus away from blu ray (something I think they are doing anyway seeing how all their new announcements have not involved blu ray.) the machine has been branded as the *blu ray player* and it will haunt it forever.

not to mention the extra costs having the blu ray drive puts on the machine.


but enough of that regardless if blu ray fails or succeeds you must agree that the 'what if' factor around the blu ray drive itself is a major element in making buyers hesitent in putting that much money towards a ps3.

and on the blue dragon comment, its 3 discs but thats nit picking and i agree, it would be nice to have it all on one disc...but not nice enough for me to put 200 euros more into a machine (just like i wont put 200 euros into a hd-dvd add on for a 360)

thefinalstage

AceCard Jones wrote:

Oh no, I feel so insulted, I think I'll go and cry now!:rolleyes:

Moving on......

Even if Blu-ray fails, it doesn't mean the PS3 has failed as a games console.
The Wii doesn't boast any amazing format for it's discs and people don't give buying games for it a seconds thought in that regard, whether you want Blu-Ray or not it has so much more space than DVD's, and is a better format, whether it beats HD-DVD is yet to be seen, but as reports go it's heading that way already.But when comparing the PS3's game Blu-Ray format to the
360's DVD9 format, Blue Dragon for the 360 will apparently be taking up 4 discs, whereas with the PS3 it could all fit on one were it released on it.

Comparing the Ps3 to the Wii game wise. Its like comparing apples and oranges.The wii uses dvd discs, the games are cheaper for it and the console itself has cost oh...a 3rd of the Ps3s price. Sure I'll buy a "cheap" blu-ray players and if the format fails I can be consoled by my more expensive games....

BTW: You sing the praises of Blu-Ray but the data on the disc is a lot more susceptible to scratches due to the way the data is compressed onto the disc which means they can't take as much wear and tear as a dvd-9 disc the same way as a dvd 9 disc can't take as much as a dvd disc. Thats why I prefer
4 discs to 1 that will break from a scratch...

AceCard Jones

Strange, I could have sworn I read somewhere that Blu-Ray has an extra scratch proof layer, obviously making it harder to damage.I'll have to dig up that article...

And Blitzkreig,

I fully see your point how the "What If?" factor could turn some people off the console, but that isn't really there for me.

I do have a wireless router.

I do have Broadband.

I do have a HD TV.

And I'm very interested in on-line features.

And I won't be using my PS3 as a Blu-Ray movie player, at least not as a big part of it's usage, it's mainly being bought to be used as a games console.

lee_baby_simms

AceCard Jones wrote:

it's mainly being bought to be used as a games console.

Well then it doesn't make much sense buyin one now. You're payin through the nose for average games. I'd wait for either some kind of price drop/good bundle and/or decent games. But then again i wouldn't queue up at midnight for expensive electronic equipment.

The taxi fare to swords is a drop in the ocean in comparison.

AceCard Jones

I may not be there for the midnight launch at all, most probably not.
Whether I buy the console now, or further down the line, I'd still want to buy the games I'll be buying at launch, and to be honest, I know it's expensive, but I don't want to wait a year or more for it to just drop slightly in price, I'd rather just buy it now as I have been looking forward to it for ages.

shatners basoon

Its not a ripoff.
Its just really really expensive for ppl who just want a console and not some mad hybrid entertainment system that plays games.

eamon234

shatners basoon wrote:

Its not a ripoff.
Its just really really expensive for ppl who just want a console and not some mad hybrid entertainment system that plays games.

Of course it's a ripoff - how come you can buy one in the States for €350? Even if you paid VAT on it it wouldn't be anywhere near 630

McDermotX

thelastangryman wrote:

BTW: You sing the praises of Blu-Ray but the data on the disc is a lot more susceptible to scratches due to the way the data is compressed onto the disc which means they can't take as much wear and tear as a dvd-9 disc the same way as a dvd 9 disc can't take as much as a dvd disc. Thats why I prefer
4 discs to 1 that will break from a scratch...

Blu-rays are tougher than DVD.......the discs feature a hard coat finish in post-processing to protect the datalayers. TDKs polymer coating is known as Durabis, but the likes of Sony use their own development in replication. But both a very similar to each other..
They were implemented as the data layer is much closer to the surface than the likes of HD-DVD which features a "soft-coating". Measures around 0.1mm, and is transparent enough to enable reading with no errors, but strong enough to withstand wear and tear through handling..
No issues at all with any of the BDs (film and game) I have purchased, and most HD supporters wish that HD-DVD would adopt the same protective layer for obvious reasons..

AceCard Jones

McDermotX wrote:

Blu-rays are tougher than DVD.......the discs feature a hard coat finish in post-processing to protect the datalayers. TDKs polymer coating is known as Durabis, but the likes of Sony use their own development in replication. But both a very similar to each other..
They were implemented as the data layer is much closer to the surface than the likes of HD-DVD which features a "soft-coating". Measures around 0.1mm, and is transparent enough to enable reading with no errors, but strong enough to withstand wear and tear through handling..
No issues at all with any of the BDs (film and game) I have purchased, and most HD supporters wish that HD-DVD would adopt the same protective layer for obvious reasons..

I knew I read that somewhere!
Thanks for confirming.

Vegeta

projectmayhem wrote:

xbox 360 with 20GB hdd: €409
HD-DVD add-on: €200
wireless adaptor: €80

ps3: €630 with 3 times the HDD, blu-ray & wireless built-in.

Plus 25 euro for a component cable (30 for HDMI), other wise Blue Ray and HD is pointless

fdevine

eamon234 wrote:

Of course it's a ripoff - how come you can buy one in the States for €350? Even if you paid VAT on it it wouldn't be anywhere near 630

The 60Gb PS3 is $600, which is around €460, not €350. Still alot more expensive, I agree, but then so is pretty much every piece of electronics. Also remember that people in the UK will be paying more (albeit only slighty more) at launch than we will.

Depending on what part of the states you buy stuff in you have to pay sales tax and probably county tax. For example, in Florida, you can add around 14% to your price. That is if you buy it yourself. If its imported, you will pay for a courier (more than likely as regular post is not really an option) and then you are almost certain to get done for not only VAT, but import duty and admin charges.

I seriously considered getting a US PS3 as my sister was over recently but for a 60Gb PS3 and one game I would have saved only around €100. Having had problems with electronics brought back from the States before, I chose not to. I already have a few hundred euro worth of bricked electronics and I am not taking a chance with a PS3. In my experience U.S. guarantees are generally pretty rubbish compared to IE/EU ones. Some people are happy to take the chance, but it is a risk.

The PS3 is pricey, but it is very very good. People are bad mouthing the launch titles without having seen them, and the console itself without hands on experience. Read some reviews, go play an in-store demo console, then moan about how the 360 is better. Most independent industry analysts agree that, although the battle will be a close run thing, the PS3 will probably win.

thefinalstage

Darn I'm out of date than. I never heard of that. Any other things to enlighten me about Blu-ray?

monument

AceCard Jones wrote:

Then buy it there.....
Nobody is asking you to buy it here, the price bitching really has gotten old now, it was announced last year for God's sake, give or take.

Hmm... really? Because a few years ago someone told me that on Games Toaster/etc focused too much on price changes. The person said that nobody is interested.

Since then there has been the overbearing Eddie Hobbs, a huge amount of print and radio segments devoted to pricing and “Rip off Ireland”, the Irish Times now devotes a page to pricing every week and have consumer affairs correspondent.

If you’re really sick of it all I’ll give you a tip on how to avoid it on boards – start by stop clicking on threads labeled ‘rip off’... I'm not bing smart here btw.

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

the PS3 is ONLY €630???

wow, I might get two.

And if you have or are getting an SSIA blow it all on a few of them!

The maturity of the SSIA weren’t planed to link up with the election, but the PS3 launch. If you’re flush with money you don’t think you’re getting ripped off as much!

RE*AC*TOR

monument wrote:

And if you have or are getting an SSIA blow it all on a few of them!

The maturity of the SSIA weren’t planed to link up with the election, but the PS3 launch. If you’re flush with money you don’t think you’re getting ripped off as much!

i already spent my ssia on 23 xbox 360s.