3-Bet pot OOP

Captain Tom

Pokerstars $1/2 6 max.

Villian has only been sitting 10/12 hands so minimal history.Nothing out of order.

Effective stacks $200.

Villian raises to 7 on the button.

I make it 23 in the sb with TT.Villian calls.

Pot is $48.

Flop: 344 2 spades.

Hero bets $38???

Villian calls.

Pot is now $124.Villian has ~140 left.

Turn: 8 (no spade)

Hero...???

I have several problems with this hand.

First of all i think stack sizes make this hand really awkward.Obviously bet/folding the turn isnt an option.

I think a lot of players will call a 3 bet in position with 66+ with 100bb stacks.Am i wrong in thinking this?I also think most players will flat call the 3 bet with QQ/JJ and push AA/KK/AK?

I dont think we can rule AQs/AJs out of villian range either.Ive seen people call with these hands in position many times.Its standard enough at 1/2 for players to call flop with 66-99/AQs/AJs and fold to second barrel imo.

Anyway my question is this.Do you think its profitable to push turn vs villians range?Or if i decide to play for stacks is check/call turn more profitable?Easy check/fold turn?Is flat calling p/f better without any history?Any suggestions appreciated.

CoolBoardr

I'd check fold turn. Value bet the river if he checks. What are you beating that bets the turn? 99?

Preflop fine.

valor

check fold now vs an unknown

i vastly prefer calling preflop here vs an unknown because 1010 is very difficult to play oop in an inflated pot, and its also reasonably easy to play oop vs a preflop raiser by taking a passive line

phantom_lord

yeah what valor said.

Captain Tom

ok thanks for the advice.

just wondering though what hands would you rule out villian having here in the following range?

AA/KK/AQs/AJs/66-99.

QQ and JJ are a big part of it IMO.

Goodluck2me

does noone call a turn bet?
pre flop raiser continuation bets then checks turn - does this not look weak i.e. induce a bluff with maybe 8sXs or the like.

Captain Tom

yeah i think i agree with you goodlucktome.i dont think this is such an easy decision.

i think his range is wider than JJ+.the fact that there is 2 spades on board makes this a closer decision imo.

robinlacey

preflop is the problem here,i don't see any advantage to reraising here whatsoever
as played you might have to play for stacks here,but its just such a crap situation because of how awkward the 3bet preflop is

Hectorjelly

Its hard to fold the best hand if you reraise preflop

Goodluck2me

rob if you have a wide re-raising range, surely you have to include JJ into that once in a while too? i know your not advocating only RRPF with AAKKQQ but surely they arent only calling PF with those hand either?
alsi how does someone play 77-TT against us here? AsXs?

Goodluck2me

Hectorjelly wrote:

Its hard to fold the best hand if you reraise preflop

does that also mean it harder to get called by a worse one?

phantom_lord

goodluck2me wrote:

rob if you have a wide re-raising range, surely you have to include JJ into that once in a while too?

when we're oop against an unknown isn't the time for it.

robinlacey

phantom_lord wrote:

when we're oop against an unknown isn't the time for it.

exactly
my reraising range very very occasionally includes JJ for different reasons,but its not like my play is completely balanced,my 3bets are more likely to be with bluffs or premium hands than with medium strength hands that have quite a lot of value like JJ...
obviously this could on some level be exploitable but i feel if i'm playing against players who are observant enough to exploit it then my problem lies with my game selection more than my failure to completely balance all my play..

robinlacey

goodluck2me wrote:

does that also mean it harder to get called by a worse one?

i would have thought so yes,i also think it makes it harder not to stack off against a better hand

Goodluck2me

robinlacey wrote:

i would have thought so yes,i also think it makes it harder not to stack off against a better hand

so that means we rarely get it in against a better hand, it also means we rarely get it in with a worse one.
by re-raising, then by process of elimination we are less likely to get it in at all?

Goodluck2me

phantom_lord wrote:

when we're oop against an unknown isn't the time for it.

good point, overlooked this. i was wondering why everyone assigned him such a tight range.