move to uk & what got told from citizens advice?

gottobjoking

just went to a citizens advice place in a shopping centre near me as i was thinking of moving to uk and i know when you move first i think your tax is really messed up ... Anyone know about that ??

Anyway , the person there didny know anything but gave me a phone number to call . She also said , which i thought was a bit strange was .. "your moving to uk? their wages is crap you know"

this has confused me, i work for a multi national company that has offices everywhere .. i dont want to say where i work, but say i work for Mircosoft ireland in Customer Service & i went to Mircosoft uk Customer Service. wouldnt the wage be approx the same ?? i know i have to ask my own company this .. but i m confused why somebody working at citzens advice .. is giving bad/wrong advice ?? i get bout 11 eur a hour, which would be between 7 to 7.50 pound sterling .. which obivoiusly sounds less , but then your bills etc would sound less ..

so what i am worryed about is there any truth in what she was saying ? do you get paid alot less in uk then in ireland ? or will anyone confirm that doing office work in the uk will pay around 7 pound a hour as i expect ?? if anyone has experence of working in the uk after working in ireland, please let me know thanks

damnyanks

The person you were talking too doesn't seem to know their stuff. I've not come across any graduate salaries in Ireland that pay more then the UK.

Obviously you aren't going for graduate positions but the pay seems to be better here. Tax might be more or something but you should get 7 quid an hour easy enough.

PeakOutput

gottobjoking wrote:

just went to a citizens advice place in a shopping centre near me as i was thinking of moving to uk and i know when you move first i think your tax is really messed up ... Anyone know about that ??

Anyway , the person there didny know anything but gave me a phone number to call . She also said , which i thought was a bit strange was .. "your moving to uk? their wages is crap you know"

this has confused me, i work for a multi national company that has offices everywhere .. i dont want to say where i work, but say i work for Mircosoft ireland in Customer Service & i went to Mircosoft uk Customer Service. wouldnt the wage be approx the same ?? i know i have to ask my own company this .. but i m confused why somebody working at citzens advice .. is giving bad/wrong advice ?? i get bout 11 eur a hour, which would be between 7 to 7.50 pound sterling .. which obivoiusly sounds less , but then your bills etc would sound less ..

so what i am worryed about is there any truth in what she was saying ? do you get paid alot less in uk then in ireland ? or will anyone confirm that doing office work in the uk will pay around 7 pound a hour as i expect ?? if anyone has experence of working in the uk after working in ireland, please let me know thanks

maybe they were talking about the minimum wage?? id say that is lower than in ireland with the uks abysmal employee relations history ........there is no reason that you should not get paid the same over there in the same company(pretty much) for the same job.........depending on were you are though the cost of living could be much higher(although relative to dublin probably not)

damnyanks

Just to put it into perspective I guess since you were talking about support at MS

Graduate Salary Ireland 30 - 33k euro
Graduate Salary UK 26k Sterling (Thats nearly 40k euro I think)

TheNog

I worked for a large corporation and one of the lads wanted to move back to Newcastle and our company had a site there. He looked into the salary end of it and turned out they were on significantly less than us. Considering that our site was new back then and theres wasn't, I thought they would be earning more than us.

scaldybelt

I'm just moving back from the UK, and when I arrived there 5+ yrs ago, I found that the only thing you need to do fast is register with the Inland Revenue (much like I've had to do again here this week in Ireland after returning). Basically you have to apply for a National Insurance number (like the PPS number). Once you get that, you won't be on emergency tax. Make sure you have a UK address to give them - otherwise it won't happen!

As for salaries, I took a 100% jump when I moved - although I went to a new company rather than transferring internally. I think that if your company are supporting you for a move, then you can at least argue to stay on the same salary (if the UK based 'advertised' salary is less) - if not take a payrise and/or transfer expenses.

gottobjoking

my company hasnt asked me to move, i just fancyed a change .. i told one supervisor about this about a year ago , the reaction was positive enough ,, but she said id have to talk to h.r about money etc .. but its the exact same job .. like excatly .. only in another country

Beano

Bear in mind that even if your gross pay is lower in the uk you might still end up better off. Taxes are lower, housing is cheaper and food is cheaper is well.

Mhmm...weetabix

TheNog wrote:

I worked for a large corporation and one of the lads wanted to move back to Newcastle and our company had a site there. He looked into the salary end of it and turned out they were on significantly less than us. Considering that our site was new back then and theres wasn't, I thought they would be earning more than us.

You have to take into consideration that the living cost in Newcastle is SIGNIFICANTLY lower then alot of places in England. It's all relative at the end of it (in terms of wages) and if he went somewhere like London he'd get more money but at a higher living cost or so I was lead to believe when I was living in London....

damnyanks

Is the tax lower? You pay 22% on anything between 33 - 10k and 48 on anything above that.

You also pay 10% for NI

You will also pay around 1k a year for council tax

gottobjoking

i dont understand taxes really , im not in a high paying job, get about 1800 eur a month now, normally i am taxed about 100 eur , 1800 eur is around 1200sterling, 100 eur bout 65 sterling , i hope i wont get taxed much more than around 65 sterling a month out of 1200 .. or will i?

kittex

The tax free allowance is very low, about 4k I think.

I earn just a little more than the figures you quoted and lose about £200 a month in taxes and NI.

Plus you'll pay at least £80 a month Council Tax (basically a tax on having an address, you have to pay it whether registered to vote or not), so it all adds up.


Also it can be very hard to get a bank account here in the UK.
You will need to be able to access your Irish bank account and make sure your company will pay into your Irish account for a bit

It can take a couple of months to get a bank account sorted out as they pnly accept household bills as proof of address, not leases, nor letters from employers.

gottobjoking

maybe your just above me in the high taxing rate (i hope) is there any citzens advice website for uk , i found one that didnt answer my questions, i need to email someone but there was no email addresses availible?

damnyanks

Tax free is up till about 4800

From there up to around 10k its 10%

From 10 - 32 / 35 its 22%

above its 48%

So really you are looking at about 33% tax total if you are under 35k

MrPudding

kittex wrote:

Also it can be very hard to get a bank account here in the UK.
You will need to be able to access your Irish bank account and make sure your company will pay into your Irish account for a bit

It can take a couple of months to get a bank account sorted out as they pnly accept household bills as proof of address, not leases, nor letters from employers.

I did not find this to be the case at all. I had considerably more trouble opening in Ireland when I first moved there.

I was able to open an account with no proof of address, as I did not have any, and then provided the proof once I had it.

I would expect that very very few companies would be willing to pay into an irish account, even for a short period.

I would suggest you call a couple of banks and explain your situation, see what they say.

On the subject of salaries, not sure what it is like for permie jobs but contracting rates are a lot better in the UK than Dublin. Dublin seems to have the costs of a big successful economy but not the salaries.

MrP

gottobjoking

damnyanks wrote:

Tax free is up till about 4800

From there up to around 10k its 10%

From 10 - 32 / 35 its 22%

above its 48%

So really you are looking at about 33% tax total if you are under 35k

so do you mean free until 4800 a year or a month ?? coz that clashes with what the person above said having to pay £200 ... that seems very high .. the £80 for having a address is that every month too ??? because that would mean your paying £ 280 instead of 100 eur , £280 is bout 420 eur , seems like way too much of a big difference ... 380 eur ??
Are you sure your right or did this happen to anybody esle who was getting the amount of wage i mentioned i get ???

gottobjoking

oh and sorry another question .. are you talking about council tax like if your a home owner , what if your just renting (that ;ll be me) does it still apply ? im planning to find a place to live my myself .. as prices seem cheap enough to do that where im planning to go .....

macshadow

damnyanks wrote:

Tax free is up till about 4800

From there up to around 10k its 10%

From 10 - 32 / 35 its 22%

above its 48%

So really you are looking at about 33% tax total if you are under 35k

For tax year 2006-2007 tax free allowances=£5,035.00
For earnings from £1-2,150 over your allowance you pay 10%
2,151-33,300 22%
33,301 and above 40%.
40% is the highest rate,was only 35% when i lived there.

If you earn £97-£645 per week you'll pay 11% national insurance.

you pay council tax if you own your own property or hold the tenancy on
rented property, it's to pay for council services like bin collection.
It's based on the value of the property,i paid about £300 per year for one
bed apt.

If your rent is not too steep i reckon you'll work out better off.

Hope this helps and good luck if you go.

gottobjoking

yeah i d be just looking for a one bed apt or something .. & ill be outside london .. what you paid in council tax then was about £25 a month .. i can live with that £80 sounded very high . just to make it clear the 11 % you mean will be 11 % every month yeah ? a little bit higher i think then what you pay in ireland. but wouldnt put me off moving to the uk althogeter .. thanks :)if anybody esle has expererene of tax in the uk keep writing though ..

kittex

MrPudding wrote:

I did not find this to be the case at all. I had considerably more trouble opening in Ireland when I first moved there.

I was able to open an account with no proof of address, as I did not have any, and then provided the proof once I had it.

As of 2 years ago this is illegal for the bank to do. So none of them should.

I have had 3 relatves come to live with me in the past 2 years and none have been able to get an account until I put their names on a utility bill.

All of their employers were happy to pay into an AIB or Bof I account because they have UK divisions. It didn't cost them anything extra to do via BACS.
The other option is to buy a bank account from HSBC who, due to the huge levels of migrants having this problem, offer an "international" account for about £50 up front, then I think it's £20 a month after that.

And Council tax applies to everyone over the gae of 18 living in a property, whether rented or owned. You get 1/4 off if you live on your own but in some areas the charge is very steep.

kittex

gottobjoking wrote:

£80 sounded very high

It depends on where you are. Each council sets their own rates, so it might sound high but it's a case of where you are and he value or 'band' of the property you live in.

gottobjoking

anybody know anything about how much that is in nottingham .. have wrote a few emails to a few citz advice places and a website called taxaid .. but they might not write back to me for a few days ...
anyone know .. 1 bed studio somewhere nearish city centre .. ive seen some places advertised for as little as £350 a month ..

macshadow

gottobjoking wrote:

anybody know anything about how much that is in nottingham .. have wrote a few emails to a few citz advice places and a website called taxaid .. but they might not write back to me for a few days ...
anyone know .. 1 bed studio somewhere nearish city centre .. ive seen some places advertised for as little as £350 a month ..

Try these gottobjoking,
www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/property
www.direct.gov.uk for all tax rates,council tax and how to get ni number.

one bed apt £250-£300 per month is possible.
11% national ins is per whenever your paid

gottobjoking

thanks for all the replies .. just one more question .. my uncle that lives in u.k is always giving out about having to pay for the water tax ?? hope this is inculded in that 11% .. anyone know & finally apart from council and the 11%usual tax .. anything esle you have to pay that you dont in ireland?

damnyanks

Ah yeah you pay a few hundred for water as well.

gottobjoking

is that last msg serious

Vokes

Yep, once a year. 100-and-a-bit quid for water

gottobjoking

once a year is ok .. but i cant give them any more a month !!!

Our man in Havana

How do they catch you for council tax if your not on the voting register?

gottobjoking

just got a email back from tax aid in the uk, they told me i would pay approx, based on my earnings £233 a month (excluding the council tax),which is equal to approx 350 euro.
i paid 150 euro taxes in total in ireland on my last pay slip , that is a difference of 200 euro approx .. i know i would most likely save on rent in the uk ,
but is there anyone out there that know why there is such difference in uk & irelands taxes ?? just curious ...

kittex

Bond-007 wrote:

How do they catch you for council tax if your not on the voting register?

Landlord is required to declare your name to the council so they know who to bill.