Trouble With The Junior Dean

cunnins4

Hey guys, a friend of mine got in a fight in the pav at the weekend and the junior dean sent a letter to his house to arrange an "interview" about it. She recommended he bring his tutor, but he hasn't contacted him. I think he should because i'd say it's gonna be a very serious problem for him.

Anyone know what sort of punishment she dishes out for this kinda thing? He's the "bad guy" in the whole thing, and he deserves a serious kick for it, but will he get expelled/fined/.....?

cheers.

Yes, get his tutor. Otherwise, get someone from the SU to go with him, or the Senior Tutor (House 27).

xeduCat

Tell your friend that he is entitled to bring anyone (such as a friend, class rep, SU officer, or whoever) if he does not wish to involve his tutor - this is an absolute right of the student. It is always advisable to have someone there, even just as a notetaker and for moral support.

cunnins4

xeduCat wrote:

Tell your friend that he is entitled to bring anyone (such as a friend, class rep, SU officer, or whoever) if he does not wish to involve his tutor - this is an absolute right of the student. It is always advisable to have someone there, even just as a notetaker and for moral support.

One of the lads is going for moral support anyway, but i think his tutor might be beneficial. hopefully he'll see sense.

Anyone have an idea of the type of punishment he'll get?

xeduCat

The system is flexible enough to allow for anything from 'don't do that again' to being excluded. The new rules give various guidelines, as well as systems for appeal and so on if it is believed that a penalty is too harsh. There are procedures for something being dealt with by the Junior Dean, as well as by a committee (Disciplinary Committee) that is the next level up, hearing either appeals or matters that the student (or dean) chooses to pass to it. For example, in the case of a major offence that the student disputes, the student can choose to have it referred to the committee rather than the JD alone. And so on.

I'm avoiding going into specifics on potential penalties as I have some involvement in the system (I was a drafter on the new rules, and may have some role in future committees), but your friend should get a copy of the rules and so on at their meeting. Without sounding cliched, it's always important to read the sections that deal with what you're being 'charged' with, and not to agree to anything until you've had a chance to consider it. As I said there are various ways to appeal an unsatisfactory result, and a tutor/SU officer can advise on these if needs be.

King.Penguin

did he win the fight?

cunnins4

King.Penguin wrote:

did he win the fight?

I wasn't there, but from what i've been told, no, he lost miserably. The other guy insulted a girl he was trying to chat up. He hit him but the other guy didn't hit back, he phoned the gardai, and that was that.

I personally think he's a twat and deserves everything he gets, however, the guy he hit isn't a student - he's from spain and was in the pub with another trinity student. The spanish lad's gone home and it's the trinity guy who's pushing it with the JD.

The spanish lad has won hands down. He was clever enough to walk away and now my friend's paying the price for his own drunken stupidity. Ironically, he's by far the smartest guy in my group of friends in college - near the top of the class, going for schols (he'll prob get them too), and then he goes and does something stupid like this. I'd like to say it's his first instance, but sadly not. I've stopped telling him off for it. When he gets drunk, i walk away.

Anyways, cheers for the replies. His tutor's going with him on monday. I'll tell him to find out exactly what he's being charged with.

King.Penguin

Best of luck to him anyway. I hope he gets away with it. The pav needs more fisty cuffs.

ApeXaviour

King.Penguin wrote:

Best of luck to him anyway. I hope he gets away with it. The pav needs more fisty cuffs.

That would require more muppets. So no, it doesn't.