Ringsend incinerator plan abandoned

lostexpectation

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0221/incinerator.html

by Not in my back yard when there an election coming up McDowell

a NIMBYWTAECUMCD move

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0221/incinerator.html

Im sorta disappointed I hoped they be forced to build a much smaller one then the co wanted but it be still built on what is industrial land... that would our incineration done with for dub.

Archeron

I heard on the radio that the info was incorrect, and that the incinerator is not off the cards. Just that some Danish company who will be involved with it are trying to renegotiate some terms due to some company buyout. They said that it is still forging ahead though. Anyone know if theres any truth to that?

Dara Robinson

Serios question.

Why are people so opposed to an incinerator?

Example, there is 2 in Vienna. In an interview (which I cant find atm, it being 1:30am) the plant manager of one of them said that the trucks that bring in the waste produce more polution than his entire plant. Also it consumes no electricity as the steam produced in the plant drives a steam turbine, which provides enough electricity to cover the energetic requirements of the entire plant and the remaining heat contained in the condensed water column is then fed into the district-heating network of the city of Vienna.
Although we dont have the same district-heating system in Ireland they could produce extra electricity and pump it back into the grid.

This makes perfect sense to me. A efficient, extreemly low polution solution to getting rid of waste. This combined with recylcing plants and so on could cut our waste down to practically nothing,

lostexpectation

Dara Robinson wrote:

Serios question.

Why are people so opposed to an incinerator?

Example, there is 2 in Vienna. In an interview (which I cant find atm, it being 1:30am) the plant manager of one of them said that the trucks that bring in the waste produce more polution than his entire plant. Also it consumes no electricity as the steam produced in the plant drives a steam turbine, which provides enough electricity to cover the energetic requirements of the entire plant and the remaining heat contained in the condensed water column is then fed into the district-heating network of the city of Vienna.
Although we dont have the same district-heating system in Ireland they could produce extra electricity and pump it back into the grid.

This makes perfect sense to me. A efficient, extreemly low polution solution to getting rid of waste. This combined with recylcing plants and so on could cut our waste down to practically nothing,

what recycling plants?

gonk

Dara Robinson wrote:

Example, there is 2 in Vienna.

And this one, designed by Hundertwasser, looks just amazing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vena_22.jpg

Dara Robinson

lostexpectation wrote:

what recycling plants?

Well that's the whole point really. With a combination of recycling plants, incinerators, landfills and other means we can dispose of our waste correctly.
If we continue to separate, recycle what we can, burn what we can and then landfill the rest (which should be very little) we will start to lower our impact on the environment hugely.
There is a organic waste bin that was rolled out in Waterford last year or the year before and its soon to be (if not already) rolled out into Dublin. That kind of thing should help.

I just don't understand the overwhelming objections to the incinerators

gonk wrote:

And this one, designed by Hundertwasser, looks just amazing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vena_22.jpg

Looks amazing, I had not seen that. Thanks for the link

piraka

Dara Robinson wrote:

I just don't understand the overwhelming objections to the incinerators

Emissions to the atmosphere due to plant failure.

Toxic ash residue to landfill.

Dara Robinson

With the technology available today the possibility of that is almost negligible. Probably like 0.001% or something like that. (looking into it as I post)

For example:

Wikipedia wrote:

countries considered "green" such as Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland and Germany, among others, rely heavily on incinerators, with some countries using incineration to dispose of all of their post-recycling municipal waste.

As to regards figures, RZR Herten. This is a incinerator plant in Herten, Germany.
Although I am not a scientist from what I can gather from those figures, the plant emissions are negligible compared from what their limits are. And those limits are laid down by the German government and I would be more than just extremely surprised if those limits could be harmful to people or the environment.

magicbastarder

Dara Robinson wrote:

Why are people so opposed to an incinerator?

because irish people would prefer burn their own rubbish?
it's gas how many irish people would happily stand beside a bonfire they've just lumped a mattress onto, but would turn purple at the prospect of a municipal incinerator within a mile of their house.

anyway, i believe one of the objections is that that the money it'd take to build an incinerator would be better used to reduce the amount of waste generated, be it recycling or simply more efficient manufacturing.
how effective such a campaign might be is left as an exercise for the reader.

ircoha

Dara Robinson wrote:

With the technology available today the possibility of that is almost negligible. Probably like 0.001% or something like that. (looking into it as I post)

For example:


As to regards figures, RZR Herten. This is a incinerator plant in Herten, Germany.
Although I am not a scientist from what I can gather from those figures, the plant emissions are negligible compared from what their limits are. And those limits are laid down by the German government and I would be more than just extremely surprised if those limits could be harmful to people or the environment.

One would expect the Germans to have the best tech in this business since they have been at recyling and incineration the longest.

some other issues with incireration.

volume of trucks

quality of waste: it needs to be sorted for the best burn and lowest emissions, bit like the Ringsend smell problem: designed for one form of input but once the Northside link started delivering the stuff that went previously into Dublin Bay the input quality changed and thus the smell.

EPA monitoring needs to be v strict because if the burn temp is off the toxic stuff does not get burned and its a bit too late to be telling people after the event that due to 'bla bla' they have been showered with 'negible' amounts of stuff that causes birth defects etc. [ a lot less mind u than the birth defect issues around booze and fags and dope, but sine sceal eile].

the issue is not the tech but the lack of trust in business as their track record in honesty etc is such that people have little faith in them