Things about games that just P#ss you off...

humanji

I was just wondering what really drives people nuts in games. For an example two of mine are:

PC Games that don't have an uninstall option. You end up having to go into the Control Panel just to get rid of them. It smacks of developers being under the dillusion that their game is so good that you'll never remove it.

And the other is, again on PC's, when you have to enter a serial number when installing, and then once you enter it you get a condescending pop-up saying "The serial number you have entered appears to be correct." Appears? Appears? Of course it's f***ing correct! I just spend half a years pay buying this overpriced piece of sh*t that assumes you've downloaded it and seems pissed off because it can't catch you out! :mad:

Humph, maybe I'm just in a bad mood.

What about anyone else? Anything really get you goat?

Hal1

noobs and teamkillers tbh :mad:

KdjaCL

Having to use Cds for games that require online login, whats the ****ing point?

Online games where clans make their own rules and if you dont play the game the way they do you get kicked ie no baseraping wtf stop sucking.

Game saves on consoles being in the game trudging tru to find a save spot, only really noticable when you have to go out or somfin.


kdjac

RobertFoster

Not being able to skip FMVs. It gets old if the save was just before the FMV and you die/fail missions and have to watch the same video over and over and over.

Malware (like Starforce). Your game is going to get hacked/pirated and the protection removed anyway. Stop ****ing with the little guy.

Unskippable "Intros". I don't give a **** if it runs best with nVidia, or XYZ company had something to do with it. I've already seen it the first time I played, I don't need reminding.

Alt-tabbing breaks games. We may need to do something else in the middle of a game. Don't force me to quit as I may not come back (especially if you've long unskippable intros...).

Noisy CDs. If you *must* require the CD to be in the disc drive (and there's no nocd available), don't keep accessing the drive to make sure it's still there. We've done a full install, check the disc once at start up and leave it at that.

Power hungry admins. Either ask me politely to leave or lock the server if you and your buddies want to have a practice clan match. If I'm kicked for no reason I'll see it as a challenge.

Games are fun. Stop being a competitive idiot. If you get killed, don't quit and rejoin straight away. Oh wow, a 5:0 kills:death ratio, and all in the last round, you must pwn!!11!

Games are fun II. Don't put boring filler in the game so you can say "over 30 hours gameplay!" (15 of which are travelling/doing/repeating boring stuff). Someone on EuroGamer said recently: "Designers should ask the following question of every aspect of their game: Is it fun? If the answer is no then why the f**k is it there!"

Retr0gamer

Noisy Xbox 360: Sounds like mines about to take off.

That unskippable Ubisoft logo.

Forced levelling up: It ruined FFXII and there are almost always huge difficulty spikes before the last boss in JRPGs. Having to play through the boring battle system for 3 hours just to advance the story is not fun. It's like work and I like to play games after work to escape from it. More games should be like the Suikoden series which practically abolishes levelling up. It's just a cheap way of showing character progression.

Ignorant gamers: The ones that won't touch anything that isn't 3D or looks a little weird and doesn't have guns or a rap soundtrack. I've had more fun from weird or 2D games like Gradius V and Okami than all the GTA games. For all the people who haven't bought Gradius V or Katamari and only have a console with GTA and the latest licensed EA schlock, 'Shame on you'.

Cheating AI in arcade racing games (Mario Kart in particular).

Xbox achievement points: Nobody cares. They only prove that you don't have a life and we all knew that already.

The originality (or lack of it) it most american developed games: It's either set in a tolkien esque fantasy world or in a distopian sci-fi setting, with added generic. Only few games have handled these well (the blizzard games, system shock, Deus Ex). You can also count the genres on one hand; FPS, GTA clone, RTS, dull RPG and MMORPG. Stories tend to be of junior cert quality and are usually a transplant of the Star wars trilogy.

EA Trax: Who listens to this ansty teenager bull****? (angsty teenagers?)

Peter Molyneaux: Talks cock about 'original ideas' that have been implemented in games 10 years ago.

jonski

Not being able to play the online version of your game , through no fault of your own .ie: BF2 & more recently Company of Heroes .

Rhyme

Retr0gamer wrote:

Ignorant gamers: The ones that won't touch anything that isn't 3D or looks a little weird and doesn't have guns or a rap soundtrack. I've had more fun from weird or 2D games like Gradius V and Okami than all the GTA games. For all the people who haven't bought Gradius V or Katamari and only have a console with GTA and the latest licensed EA schlock, 'Shame on you'.

Cheating AI in arcade racing games (Mario Kart in particular).

Yes and yes. Was playing Mario Kart 64 earlier and despite the AI being very predictable and easily manipulated they still manage to catch up half a lap in a few seconds eg. Rainbow Road :mad:

The save points too... Paper Mario 2 handled this perfectly by having save points all over the place.

super_furry

KdjaCL wrote:

Game saves on consoles being in the game trudging tru to find a save spot, only really noticable when you have to go out or somfin.

kdjac

That gets my vote. There's nothing worse than having to just turn off your console because it would take you another 10 minutes to get to a save point.

tman

Rhyme wrote:

The save points too... Paper Mario 2 handled this perfectly by having save points all over the place.

apart from a badly needed one in the middle of that final boss battle... couldn't be arsed going through it all again, so i just didn't bother finishing the game:p

unskippable cut scenes are definitely annoying, but another annoyance for me is cut scenes that you can't pause... bloody pain in the ass if you get a phone call or something in the middle of one:mad:
that's one of the things that i love about the Wii actually... just press the home button any time you want to pause a game

Creamy Goodness

People moaning about certain weapons online.

if you don't like them either **** off or play something else. i'm specifically talking about cs:source and the awp.

LoGiE

When games are released with very obvious glitches/bugs. There wasn't always a way to get hold of patches!

thelordofcheese

Retr0gamer wrote:

Peter Molyneaux: Talks cock about 'original ideas' that have been implemented in games 10 years ago.

Ohh hell yes.
if i ever meet that man i may end up killing him, or just removing his vocal cords.

other things that annoy me

Zelda games: or rather the annoyingly patronising way it tells you 50 bajillion times that "You picked up a red rupee (20)". I know, i knew after the first time, i still know now, 30 seconds before i teach the final boss the meaning of pain. I. KNOW.
Doubly so for when you pick up bombs/arrows etc etc.

FPS on consoles: look, it just doesn't work, stop trying. Take that round peg and leave that poor square hole alone, please.

'Mature' games: Look, for the last time, excessive and pointless violence does not make a game more mature or adult. Infact it makes it far more juvenile and cretinous than the 'kiddy' games people usually mock in the same sentance.

there probably more, but those really grind my gears.

koneko

FPS games with no jumping. I'll live with it, but damnit it is annoying when your character comes across an unsurmountable obstacle like a rock or a low wall (imagine! a low wall! there's no way a mere human can get across that)

DarkJager

Enemies needing 15 shots to the head before they die.

Nice graphic, crap gameplay.

Crap voice acting, crap music.

Storylines which start brilliantly but just totally lose it towards the end.

The fact that Sega have yet to release a compilation with the 3 Streets of Rage titles on it (Fvck keeping it at a kiddies rating, I want SOR now!!)

Pariah (The entire game, full stop. Worst p1ece of sh1t I ever forced myself to play through).

Massive weapons that have very little impact.

Bad weapon sounds (I'm firing an MP5, not using a stapler)

Crucifix

KdjaCL wrote:

Game saves on consoles being in the game trudging tru to find a save spot, only really noticable when you have to go out or somfin.

Exactly what I thought when I saw the title.
I gave up on Suikoden V recently because I played for two hours without meeting a save point and just had to turn off, and can't face playing those two hours again.

c - 13

Most of what was said and the fact that really bad camera angles can ruin s fantastic game.

humanji

koneko wrote:

FPS games with no jumping. I'll live with it, but damnit it is annoying when your character comes across an unsurmountable obstacle like a rock or a low wall (imagine! a low wall! there's no way a mere human can get across that)

I forgot about that one. But then again, maybe elite soldiers are never actually taught how to jump?

Fanboys, most notably xBox Vs PS. For god's sake grow up, they're two companies trying to take your money. Stop sticking up for them, they're screwing you over!!! And the fact that most people are going to end up with both of them in the end, makes the arguing pointless!

And Fanboys who refuse to accept that their favourite game isn't perfect and they won't accept that any other game could be as good or better. If we all thought that, I'd still be playing Carpet Capers on my Vic20!

Rhyme

koneko wrote:

FPS games with no jumping. I'll live with it, but damnit it is annoying when your character comes across an unsurmountable obstacle like a rock or a low wall (imagine! a low wall! there's no way a mere human can get across that)

Definitely, Metroid Prime (adventure FPS?)

...and in the same line; invisible barriers in silly places. Mostly in adventure games but also in the Gran Turismo with the Grand Canyon, damnit, i want to plunge my expensive automobile into that damn chasm.

evad_lhorg

When you turn on a playstation or other console game and you get bombarded with pointless questions about memory cards. "their is no memory card present.....retry or continue?" click continue "you willl not be able to save games" NO SH1T SHERLOCK!!!

Fanny Cradock

KdjaCL wrote:

Having to use Cds for games that require online login, whats the ****ing point?
kdjac

Yeah, I agree with this. If you actually paid for the game you shouldn't have to be confronted with a series of security measures. For example, in BF2 there is the CD-key check, the CD check and then you have to login.

Can anyone enlighten me to the legality No-cd cracks? As far as I know it is legal if you own the original but I'm unsure of this. If you don't know what these cracks do, they bypass the CD check, so you can play something like BF2 without the need for a CD. Piracy aside, if you have been honest enough to buy the game in the first place this seems like perfect sense from the point of ease of use, noise reduction, component wear and possibly performance.

Please note that the above is a question of legality rather then encouragement for piracy.

Sarky

Games that are developed for PC and console at the same time without using the PC's strengths. Thief 3 did not need different level sections, the removal of rope arrows, a lack of intense swordfights, or INSTANTLY FATAL water on the PC.


And if there's anything to make me want to seriously hurt the makers of Final Fantasy type games, it's random f*cking encounters.

MrB

Arbitrary time limits!

johnny_ultimate

Escort missions - There is nothing more fun (read: infuriating) then having to escort a character with poor AI across a plain as they get constantly attacked by enemies. Main offender : MGS3.
Memory cards - I remember getting my Gamecube and having to buy a new memory card a few weeks later just because the blooming thing was too small. Hard-drives ftw!
"This game contains scenes of graphic violence and gore" - Wow thanks Capcom. I just bought this 18s rated survival horror and didn't know that! Back to the shop we go, post haste!
Games that don't let you back into the world once you've defeated the final boss. Popular examples : Zelda TP, FF7

bus77

Clicking quit only to be met by ''Are you sure you want to quit?'' No, I'm not sure I want to quit. I just keep pressing the 'quit' button by mistake, over and over and over again.

Retr0gamer

johnny_ultimate wrote:

Escort missions - There is nothing more fun (read: infuriating) then having to escort a character with poor AI across a plain as they get constantly attacked by enemies. Main offender : MGS3.

Resident Evil 4 seems to be the only one that got this right.

johnny_ultimate

Retr0gamer wrote:

Resident Evil 4 seems to be the only one that got this right.

Yeah definitely. The bit where Ashlee has to pull the levers was really tense. Makes a change.

TheAlmightyArse

koneko wrote:

FPS games with no jumping. I'll live with it, but damnit it is annoying when your character comes across an unsurmountable obstacle like a rock or a low wall (imagine! a low wall! there's no way a mere human can get across that)

[queit voice] I like this. Well, I mean, it stops people hopping around like loons in multiplayer. Having an "auto-hop" to get over small obstacles is only common courtesy, though. [/quiet voice]

Here's a little pet peeve of mine: refering to games with no role playing in them as role playing games. This applies particularly to generic Japanese RPGs: getting to choose "yes" or "no" occasionally in a long-winded conversation is not fleshing out a role, particularly if the game's script forces your choice anyway.

Also: unskippable, needless tutorials (pressing right moves my lad right? I'd NEVER have discovererd that on my own! Thank YOU!), how blandly generic so many games are, how tightly they cling to conventions of genres (genres are general guidelines, not rules! You fools!), rubbish plots in games that just don't need them, publishers who fail to realise how rubbish their plots are and flood their games with rubbish cutscenes, the **** quality of games journalism, people who use "mature" to mean the exact opposite, and, oh, you know yourself.

CiDeRmAn

Anything with Tomb Raider in its title, my gods, aside from the 1st one the rest just seemed to suck, folk trumpeting the great PS series, seeing as it started on the Saturn and the fact that it featured an athletic adventurer who was controllable in a manner anything but, and at the same time a plump little plumber could dance around the Mushroom kingdom like a gymnast!
Also hate the fact that no one acknowledges Alone in the Dark as the father of Survival Horror and hate the fact that folk still think Gran Tursimo is a decent game, at last since the 2nd one was the last time it was the best.

steviec

RPGs and Adventure games that just leave you with no clues to wander around randomly hoping you trip whatever the trigger is for the next scripted sequence in the story.

Unskippable cut scenes. Especially in Mario Party.

Long load times.

Camera that switch view so that suddenly up becomes down when you change area and as soon as the new area loads your character runs straight back, leading to another loadscreen.

Stupid AI in driving games that will put you out of the race on a whim.

People who take online gaming too seriously, in FPSes and especially in WoW.

0ubliette

Retr0gamer wrote:

Xbox achievement points: Nobody cares. They only prove that you don't have a life and we all knew that already.

Have to disagree on this one. Acheivements are alot of fun to try and unlock, and give added incentive to keep playing a game you might have given up on after completion. I still play dead rising trying to get as many acheivements as possible, currently working on zombie genocider, got 35,000 zombies killed so far
Its the truskill ranking that bug me, not the acheivements. "ooh im ranked 12th in the world!" Big fu*ckin whoop. People quitting ranked games just to avoid losing precious points etc etc..its for retards. I stay away from ranked games. I got my 100 chainsaw kills on gow acheivement and now will never play ranked again as its just filled to the brim with complete spackers.

po0k

The price and the subsequent whinging about "piracy" affecting sales.
Lower prices = more sales.

I rarely buy games/dvds/cds these days. If they were 25/10/5 euros respectively, I'd be buying a few of each every month, as would alot more people.

When the price for the downloadable version is the same as the dvd box on the shelf in GenericGamingEmporiumMAXXX, why should you pay as much, particularly when your broadband line is most likely capped.

And what ever happened to nice printed manuals, novellas and the assorted fluff you used to get with games, that made the purchase immediately rewarding, before you even fired up the game itself? I want my goddamn keyfobs, stickers and sew-on patches!


Final Fantasy VII. What a load of balls.

lardboy

"Select a device for game save location" EVERY bloomin' time you start the game. I only have the hard drive, no memory unit, exactly the same as the last 30 times I've played the game. There's only one place it can be, so why not make a quick guess?

I'm specifically looking at you, Lumines Live and Saints Row. GTA have had it right for years now, with it automatically loading up the last save location, and still developers aren't bothering putting in a couple of lines of code to make the game loading more seamless.

Cuddlesworth

Drm infection, damm starforce ruined my pc twice

Charging money for small updates(maps/new units), then placing Ads in the games and then continuing to charge the price of a full game. I don't care if there are ads in the game, but if I'm going to have to see them can't it enrich my playing experience rather then be a cash cow for the developers.

Complaining about piracy, the only reason I have ever done anything related to piracy was because of measures taken against pirates which only effected the end user.

Console fps, just give up whats the point. Since Goldeneye you just cant compete.

Game endings. Over the years the more games I finish the more I'm left with a empty feeling and a lack of accomplishment. And the more I turn to online play against humans.

Playing against people. Cant we have some sort of vetting procedure for morons. Whats with the idiots who play these days? Getting called a Noob 20 minutes in, then hacker 30 minutes in? F*uk off and play the game already and stop whining about everybody else.

Rant over

TheAlmightyArse

SyxPak wrote:

Final Fantasy VII.

Final Fantasy VII.

And Firefly. But that might be getting off topic.

Retr0gamer

Western RPGs. No original storylines. Usually based in a dull D&D 'universe' with dice roll based battle system. Reams of terrible dialogue. About as much fun as getting up 2 hours earlier in the morning and finding out that there is no hot water for the shower and only marginally more boring.

Zillah

-Electrified tanks in BF2/2142. I have C4, you KNOW I'm going to be placing it on tanks, but for some reason it appears to have 50,000 volts running through it which leads to instant death if you touch the tank.

-Games that limit your save options. I will decide when I want to not repeat the previous section thank you. Its retarded to force me to repeat a section of the game if I don't want to. Half Life + F6 ftw.

-Peter "Please, I want to die" Molyneux. If you churn out another piece of buggy, retardidly implemented crap as a game again, I will come find you, you over inflated hack. NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO THE TUTORIAL.

"Press, hold, and drag to the left to move the screen to the right, like this."
/twenty second demonstration
"Now, you try it."
/begins dragging the screen
"Yes....yes..."
/continues dragging the screen.
"Yes....yes...thats it! Now, to move the screen to the left you simply..."

I hate you Black and White. HATE.

-Consoles. There, I said it. They're PCs for stupid people.

Retr0gamer

Zillah wrote:

-Consoles. There, I said it. They're PCs for stupid people.

Ignorant people who dismiss consoles.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

before the wii, I always thought consoles were only good for party games where you can get a load of people around and have a bit of fun.. every game that can be played on a console can be done better on a PC and usually far better.

but the wii... ah, the wii.

as to saving whenever you want to.. I like that option to, but I find It kind of makes the game too easy.. seeing as I save whenever I get a medpack/armour boost and keep saving whenever I head by a particularly difficult bit.. kind of takes the challenge out of the game.

sprinkles

having to watch the retartedly slow walk of Felix in GOW as he talks on the radio set at the start of my last checkpoint and being forced to watch it every time you get killed!!!

That brings me to stupid save systems in most games. Why make the player repeat a mundane and usually long task over and over again to reach the hard bit where he'll just get killed a bunch of times!?

That and EA and their bunch of loyal zombie followers.

KdjaCL

Mordeth wrote:

kind of takes the challenge out of the game.

or a bout 12 hours or so, try Prince of perisa where you have to go out or even Ico when you have to leave the controller. Sweet god you will cry at the thoughts of being forced to do it again.

Consoles. There, I said it. They're PCs for stupid people.

psst Zillah afaik console gaming existed long before pcs became games machines so maybe pcs are are consoles for people who think they are not stupid as they know what they have to do to run a game with patches and settings and hardware and that its the other way round and they the stupid people who 1st bought incomplete games and allowed the patch after sale process to begin!!!!

kdjac

0ubliette

Zillah wrote:

-Consoles. There, I said it. They're PCs for stupid people.

PC's, theyre consoles for elitist geeks :rolleyes:
Oh and BF2142, its bf for the noobs..

po0k

KdjaCL wrote:

psst Zillah afaik console gaming existed long before pcs became games machines so maybe pcs are are consoles for people who think they are not stupid as they know what they have to do to run a game with patches and settings and hardware and that its the other way round and they the stupid people who 1st bought incomplete games and allowed the patch after sale process to begin!!!!

kdjac

MIT'S DEC PDP-1, 2nd one made. Was the platform for the first "SpaceWar!".
It had realtime starfields based on the images from the local observatory, a central star which exerted a gravity well, was 2-player, and was eventually a group effort.

Bushnell's Computer Space was ignored in the arcade. Pong was a success.

Consoles are for the general morasse. Always have been, always will be.
That doesn't mean they can't be fun.

Except Final Fantasy VII.

po0k

0ubliette wrote:

Oh and BF2142, its bf for the noobs..

Codename Eagle.

Ho-Hum

A few things that have pi**ed me off over the years.

-Viewtiful Joe: Don't get me wrong I liked the game but the bosses were so annoying specifically when you have to fight 5 bosses (you have already fought) in a row with no saves and when you die you start from boss number one. Highly annoying.

-As retrogamer said earlier; people who are just ignorant about games, I'd have a few friends like this that would instantly dismiss games that I'd have been looking forward to for months like Okami (which is brilliant) the Wii and basically anything that isn't a military style shooter. I mean come on these games are fun but there are only so many different run and gun games you can play without wanting to at least try something different.

-WoW: I played this got to about level 15 and then it became too much like work, how can so many millions of people play this so religiously? Come on Warcraft give me back my friends!

Retr0gamer

Ho-Hum wrote:

-Viewtiful Joe: Don't get me wrong I liked the game but the bosses were so annoying specifically when you have to fight 5 bosses (you have already fought) in a row with no saves and when you die you start from boss number one. Highly annoying.

It's a Capcom Tradition and is in almost all of their arcadey games. Blame Megaman.

CiDeRmAn

The fact that nothing has ever or will ever be released that will convince my wife that gaming is a worthwhile endeavor, driving my habit underground, with clandestine trips to Gamestop in the dead of lunchtime, sneaking the shrinkwrapped packages of gaming goodness into the house, the staff in Santry don't even offer a bag anymore, knowing its merely instantly disposed of before its spotted at home and used as evidence!

DarkJager

What about The Sims or something like that Ciderman??? Women seem to love games where they can make men do whatever they want!!!

Zillah

KdjaCL wrote:

psst Zillah afaik console gaming existed long before pcs became games machines so maybe pcs are are consoles for people who think they are not stupid as they know what they have to do to run a game with patches and settings and hardware and that its the other way round and they the stupid people who 1st bought incomplete games and allowed the patch after sale process to begin!!!!

I definately agree that the "release too early - patch later" phenomenon is a very unfortunate side effect of PC gaming. But I also say that its a small price to pay for the ability to release additional content and address genuine bugs that only become apparent after mass release.

0ubliette wrote:

PC's, theyre consoles for elitist geeks :rolleyes:

Elitist in this context meaning "People who like being able to customise the performance of their games aswell as have access to massive amounts of additional content from the programmers and online fanbase."

That and the fact that its nicely integrated with all the other things my PC does.

Also, the fact that in recent years its been a trend that games simultaneously developed for PC and Consoles have been dumbed down and simplifed for both. Case in point: Deus Ex Invisible War.

Really, what benefit does a console give except make it easier? The downsides are many, but what advantages does it give?

Crucifix

Zillah wrote:

I definately agree that the "release too early - patch later" phenomenon is a very unfortunate side effect of PC gaming. But I also say that its a small price to pay for the ability to release additional content and address genuine bugs that only become apparent after mass release.

The sad thing is that consoles games have been flirting with the patching culture now too.

Really, what benefit does a console give except make it easier? The downsides are many, but what advantages does it give?

The main thing I can think of is that you can get longer out of a console. My current PC went obsolete gamewise about a year after purchase, whereas I'm still using my PS2 4 or 5 years after purchase.
To be fair though, upgrading is a possibility, whereas the console equivalent is buying a new system.

Kevok

People who slag other peoples choice of consoles. If you play games, you're a fan of games, not the hardware that they run on ffs. Just because you love MGS and that's on Sony machines does not mean that the other consoles and pcs are crap. :rolleyes:

Bad AI. Ugh, please, if you're developing a game spend a bit of time on the AI, there's nothing like bad pathing or an npc running around in circles to make the 4th wall come crashing down.

Generic score. Music does a wonderful job of drawing a player into the world that the developers have lovingly crafted. And bad music can really ruin the experience. More Homeworlds please.

*Specifically RTS games* Those missions where you're given a small number of units and have to accomplish some objective. I enjoy base building, less of these!

CD checks. If someone is going to pirate a game, this is not going to be a detterant. It's just an inconvenience to those who do buy the game.

0ubliette

Zillah wrote:

I definately agree that the "release too early - patch later" phenomenon is a very unfortunate side effect of PC gaming. But I also say that its a small price to pay for the ability to release additional content and address genuine bugs that only become apparent after mass release.



Elitist in this context meaning "People who like being able to customise the performance of their games aswell as have access to massive amounts of additional content from the programmers and online fanbase."

That and the fact that its nicely integrated with all the other things my PC does.

Also, the fact that in recent years its been a trend that games simultaneously developed for PC and Consoles have been dumbed down and simplifed for both. Case in point: Deus Ex Invisible War.

Really, what benefit does a console give except make it easier? The downsides are many, but what advantages does it give?

Hmm lets see...
Well, being that this is, or was a discussion about GAMES, and not GAMING HARDWARE, im not even going to talk about upgrading hardware (im a pc owner too, and recently upgraded my machine) suffice to say, a geforce 8800GT is not going to suddent make the gameplay in daikatana seem like half life 2. If you want to start a thread about hardware and how great it is to be able to upgrade your pc, by all means, go ahead. But seeing as how this is about games, all i need to say is:

Okami
ICO
Shadow of the colossus
Zelda
Dead rising
Gears of war
Resident Evil
Katamari

To name but a few 'advantages'