very well executed knock out..

Package

i never get tired of watching this clip.. its one of the best knockouts i've seen

Roundhouse

Millionaire

yeah WTF TKD is a great sport...did it about 3 years myself back in college days. its alot tougher than people give it credit for.

Lovely Kick KO...perfect!

mark.leonard

A 360 turning kick right on the jaw, haven't seen the likes of that since Tim Murphy left Taekwondo

astfgl

Knockout is what you get for holding your hands by youir sides instead of in front of your face

Valmont

astfgl wrote:

Knockout is what you get for holding your hands by youir sides instead of in front of your face

haha thats what I was thinking. What do they expect?

Roper

astfgl wrote:

Knockout is what you get for holding your hands by youir sides instead of in front of your face

Just on a point- this type of thing could well be what many posters are referring to when they complain about people jumping on other systems. From doing a bit of WTF TKD, my understanding is that the hands being by your side aid with balance as the art is about 80% kicking and kicking in combination, many of the kicks being aerial means that you have to balance yourself in a different manner to a thai boxer or boxer. Also, driving the hands to your hips aids with whip.

Its a different sport to MMA or Thai or whatever- you need to respect that and the skill involved. I wonder are there many squash videos being criticised by tennis players:rolleyes: .

astfgl

Roper wrote:

Just on a point- this type of thing could well be what many posters are referring to when they complain about people jumping on other systems. From doing a bit of WTF TKD, my understanding is that the hands being by your side aid with balance as the art is about 80% kicking and kicking in combination, many of the kicks being aerial means that you have to balance yourself in a different manner to a thai boxer or boxer. Also, driving the hands to your hips aids with whip.

Its a different sport to MMA or Thai or whatever- you need to respect that and the skill involved. I wonder are there many squash videos being criticised by tennis players:rolleyes: .

i know that driving your hands to your side aids with whip (just look at crocops hands when he kicks), however your hands should be in front of your face when not kicking, especially in a sport where 80% of the attacks are kicks (anyway, if you have to drop your hands to help with the whip, then they need to start up at your face)

Millionaire

when I fought WTF TKD, I always held my guard up kickboxing style, and I would drop my elbow point on bare feet bones to block kicks. I never once got KO'ed with a head kick...but I did once with a body kick right into solar plexes.

The instructor used to get angry with me for fighting kickboxing style...but that was my style and I was only in WTF TKD as there was no kickboxing available, and it was full contact and more exciting for me that trad karate on offer in uni.

I never could undertand why other WTF people did not make some sort of an effort to guard the head, and I could kick just like the vid back in those days too, and still protect my head.

Roper

astfgl wrote:

i know that driving your hands to your side aids with whip (just look at crocops hands when he kicks), however your hands should be in front of your face when not kicking, especially in a sport where 80% of the attacks are kicks (anyway, if you have to drop your hands to help with the whip, then they need to start up at your face)

Yes I apologise you clearly know more about WTF Taekwondo than those silly people who actually do it....

Clive

astfgl wrote:

however your hands should be in front of your face when not kicking, especially in a sport where 80% of the attacks are kicks (anyway, if you have to drop your hands to help with the whip, then they need to start up at your face)

When will we see you winning the Olympics then astfgl?

No amount of "hands...in front of your face" will stop a dirty big kick taking your head off, you need you whole arm in a solid structure fixed to the head for that.

Of course by doing that, you leave your body completely open, and points rack up.

No doubt, with your extensive TKD experience, you've seen many of the top Koreans, who pioneered the hands down style - they trade off that element of safety to minimise points scored and increase their balance for more complicated movements. They rely on speed, reflex, experience and "reading" the opponent to counteract the susceptibility to a high kick.

Millionaire

and in WTF TKD footwork is very important, those guys can step in and out like lightening, and thus avoid as opposed to trading blows.

MT guys stilled get KO'ed with kicks week in week out, and they always hold high guards.

(me... I still think I was right holding my hands up in my WTF days, came 3rd in Altantic Canada championships color belts(red)... LOL! )

astfgl

if blocking your face is so irrelevantin TKD then why do boxers hold a high guard. a kick is more powerful than a punch, surely boxers should just hold there hands down by their sides and go for points all the time and take the head shots. (by the way, i knnow that guarding your head is not a definite way of avoiding knockout by kicks, but its better than doing nothing)

Roper

astfgl wrote:

if blocking your face is so irrelevantin TKD then why do boxers hold a high guard. a kick is more powerful than a punch, surely boxers should just hold there hands down by their sides and go for points all the time and take the head shots. (by the way, i knnow that guarding your head is not a definite way of avoiding knockout by kicks, but its better than doing nothing)

Just, I was going to reply but theres really no point. You don't know what you're talking about. Its like being a GAA player and saying to a soccer player "If you have so much difficulty getting past players, why don't you just pick the ball up?". I say again- two different sports. If I didn't know what I was talking about, I'd just shut up, I really would.

On the other hand, at the next training session for the WTF Olympic hopefuls, you should turn up and put forward your theories on the sport you don't understand- cue lots of head slapping and "man, we are such idiots, why don't we just hold our hands up". Coming soon, astfgl's theory of why not to do the fosbury flop at high jump....

Millionaire

Roper wrote:

Just, I was going to reply but theres really no point. You don't know what you're talking about. ....

LOL! That would not be the 1st time astfgl would be guilty of that!

crazy monkey

hi all,

Hands in wtf tkd...

My old coach the great [in not just my opnion] john kelly used to make us fight with relaxed arms...no tension in the shoulders which allows for great hip/back movement for the myriad of combinations we practiced...

Lead hand low and back hand cocked at rib/head height at all times...just his way...

The great thing about wtf tkd is that it's not just a kicking sport it's actually a very technical sport...footwork easily on a par if not superior to boxing...i'm not disrespecting boxing - just my opinion..

Now when you talk about hand position remember - you shouldn't be standing directly in front of your opponent, just waiting to be kicked in the body or the head...you have to make angles and counter or else you suffer...

Fighting is all about attack, movement and defense...
These three are the essence of a good fight....
certainly cardio, skill levels are a factor

-just my opnion - feel free to disagree

ciao