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Neighbour evading taxes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    '
    cheeky_guy wrote:
    Why would you even WANT to rat something up for something thats got absolutey nothing to do with you? Bet you were a little 'tell tale' in school lol. Coward!!

    I pay e500 - 600 tax from my wages every week. Most of the guys I work with pay a lot more than me. I pay more tax each year than the average Irish person earns in a year. So why should I pay the best part of e30,000 tax each year while others don't, and reap the benefits of my sweat.

    I'd rat him out, but maybe wait a couple of weeks so he doesn't suspect it was you.'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭Linoge


    What I can tell you is that your letter will be looked at once and then thrown in the bin. Civil servants don't want the extra work and it's far easier to just let something like this disappear than to add it to their in-box.
    Your heart is in the right place (if everyone payed the correct amount of tax we would all be paying a lot less) but ultimately you're wasting your time.

    No, I think you'll find that the RC actually take tax evasion very seriously. Why are you trying to bs us?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Must commend you on your desire to do the right thing but I would stay well out of it to be honest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    I'd give him my shopping list and a few other bits and pieces every week and get him to buy the stuff and deliver it to my door if he didnt want me to rat on him.

    But thats just cos I'm a cnut and so are all my neighbours.

    seriously though, if he was a nice bloke I'd leave him be but advise him that he will more than likely get caught at some stage. If he wasn't a nice bloke i'd leave him be for a while and let him build up a nice little tax bill and then rat on him.

    Him not paying taxes is affecting the quality of your services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    'To those people who accuse the OP of being "a rat" and "grassing" on their neighbour, would they feel the same if the neighbour was a drug dealer?. Presumabley these people are ok with paying their taxes but others can evade them?'


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭dRNk SAnTA


    Can't believe i'm reading all this "whats it got to do with you, mind your own business stuff". ffs, it concerns us all.

    Wouldn't it be great if none of us paid our taxes, but we do because its the law. This guy doesnt deserve to be different.

    OP, imo you should ignore "ex-inspector", whether he's telling the truth or not. You should send in a letter and it may get ignored or it may not, at least you'll have done the right thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    If the guy is above board and just telling porkies he will still be a lot more than inconvienced.

    ++ To its none of your business and should stay out of other peoples affairs.

    Furthermore all the self righteous lot cop on who do you think the real con men in Ireland?? (its a rethorical question btw)

    Goverment has no problem publically taking the piss so why should the citizens behave any different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    There is a limit under which you do not need to register for VAT. He may be under it. VAT Thresholds

    What it comes down to is that if your turnover is under X (depends on the type of business), then you don't have to register for VAT. You can opt to do so but you are under to requirement to do so. Not doing so means that you don't have to charge VAT to your customers which is nice for you, but you can't claim back VAT on anything you buy for the business, which isn't so good for you. If he isn't registered he is paying full VAT on all equipment/stationary/etc.

    Essentially if a company doesn't register for VAT they don't 'get out of the tax loop'. It still ends up paying VAT to the government, it's just on all purchases rather than giving it from their sales. It might seem like it's a fantastic deal but it isn't really. Unless there is no regular purchases involved in the job then it's generally not much of a gain.


    He would have to register earnings for income tax of course, which is a different problem. But he could be referring to VAT if he said that he 'doesn't need to register'. He could also be lying about the amount that he's making.


    Oh and ChRoMe, someone adherence to their civic duties should not depend on their views on the present set of TDs, tbh. Though, it would hold true to them being 'representative of the people' if most people thought that way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    I say inform Revenue. If he is evading tax then he deserves to be investigated. It doesn't matter how nice a fella he is, it is still a crime. Crime is crime no matter what type of offence it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    TheNog wrote:
    I say inform Revenue. If he is evading tax then he deserves to be investigated. It doesn't matter how nice a fella he is, it is still a crime. Crime is crime no matter what type of offence it is.

    He's not necessarily evading tax illegally though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    Well no one knows for sure that the neighbour is evading tax but is not better to have it checked out rather than let it go? I still say inform the revenue


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 67 ✭✭tensecyclist


    Must commend you on your desire to do the right thing but I would stay well out of it to be honest.


    I agree. You'll only be putting yourself in a difficult situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭I_and_I


    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I usaully don't go around quoting scripture (atheist) but it seems relevant. Unless you have nothing to be brought out in to the light of day, I wouldn't say anything. He may have dirt on you too, that is no suggestion that you are up to anything illegal. Your only alternative is blackmail. (I don't reccomend it though)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    report him, get rewarded, and even if he finds out its you then just remember youre doing youre duty as an irish citizen to make sure nothing happens


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭misterq


    those who reckon he will eventually be caught by the revenue are being a little naive. If it is a cash business and he has never registered with them in the first place, then he could well get away with it for a long time.

    The revenue have an anonymous line where you can report people.
    I reported a guy who ripped me off (paid for goods that never arrived, he charged VAT even though there was no such company). I don't believe anything was done.

    In reality, tax evaders are stealing from us all. We would have to pay les tax if they all coughed up their fair share.

    The question then, is what do you do about it?

    I think the OP needs to weigh up the situation. I don't know if I would report a neighbour, even anonymously.

    If it ever did get out, then it could mean a lot of awkwardness (at the very least) for a long time. And maybe you don't need that on your own doorstep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,678 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    misterq wrote:
    We would have to pay les tax if they all coughed up their fair share.

    You brightened up my morning. That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭DeiseGal


    Goes without saying - report him!
    We are getting ripped off enough in this country and why should the rest of us pay our taxes etc... for scumbags like that.
    By boasting about it, he is actually laughing in your face. If it was the other way round he would defo do it to you.
    Please report him for yourself and the rest of the honest people left in this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭imeatingchips


    jesus, you're some bollix you are op. have u never heard of the ten commandments? and you brazenly coveting your neighbours wife. Sure we'd ALL like a wife who pulls in 3k cash a week but you can't be begrudge the man who's lucky enough to have one :D

    would you grass up a fella doing a nixer and not declaring it?

    if he gets caught it's his problem - and fault - but it's absolutely not, under any circumstances, never, ever, your place to rat him up. not for bloody tax evasion anyway.

    in the country-wide scale of things it's nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭DeiseGal


    Seriously do not know what is wrong with people. Nixers is not an issue - im sure no one would begrudge anyone doing that. Imagine living next door to someone that you knew was raking in 3000€ per week, not paying taxes and you are living week to week and dreading the next bill coming in. Put yourself in that position, how would you feel?
    Ireland has a very high if not one of the highest compo rates for false claims -this is why our insurance is so high. This is no different.
    Its wrong and he shouldnt be allowed to get away with it. This country and ourselves would be better off if this sort of thing was kept to a minimum and people like this were reported.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Report him. Most of us here pay taxes and I don't see why someone like your neighbour should get away with it when he's using the facilities that it pays for (his education in the past, the roads he drives on, public transport he uses, etc).

    If he wants to really cut down on it, the very least he can do is use all the tax cheats like the rest of the rich b*stards in the country and sink it into holiday homes, car parks, and horses. His current behaviour is not only dishonest, it's also just lazy accounting. Pfft.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    '
    misterq wrote:
    those who reckon he will eventually be caught by the revenue are being a little naive. If it is a cash business and he has never registered with them in the first place, then he could well get away with it for a long time.
    If it's a cash business turning over the amounts quoted, he will get caught unless he's very smart and careful (he doesn't seem the most discreet), seriously, the vast majority on here have obviously got no idea of the problems trying to deal in cash presents nowadays.
    As others have stated he could be fully compliant for all you know, btw, what does he do?
    misterq wrote:
    The revenue have an anonymous line where you can report people.
    I reported a guy who ripped me off (paid for goods that never arrived, he charged VAT even though there was no such company). I don't believe anything was done.
    As Tax inspector said, it would be binned, now tbh, i've no problem with op reporting the guy, but, it will not do any good - basically CAB and money laundering legislation is more than enough to weed out most large scale tax evaders. In fact, this is actually more likely to be a CAB issues, and those bunch of muppets would probably take this seriously enough to launch an investigation (i've seen them do it before).
    misterq wrote:
    In reality, tax evaders are stealing from us all. We would have to pay les tax if they all coughed up their fair share.
    Indeed, in fantasy land that would be the case, back here in reality world, it should be remembered that propensity to spend increases with available funds. But, maybe ye are all correct, you know, I met a mate for lunch yesterday, he works in the dept of finance, he left work at 12.30 and didn't go back until 2.30, maybe I should report him for defrauding the tax payer (he doesn't have flexi time), I also spent some time working in the public sector, there were definitely times when people didn't show for work the day after big nights out, given they were responsible for their inability to work the following day, should they have been reported too??'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    the RC are bastards, i'll fight them to my dying breath. tell them nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    What kind of loser would rat someone out. Your just jealous he is making it and you are not. He ain't selling drugs so let him do his thing.

    Although, for him to boast about it...that's not smart...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Miss Fluff


    ferdi wrote:
    the RC are bastards, i'll fight them to my dying breath. tell them nothing.

    So so true, I am paying so much tax it makes me feel physically sick every month. I still wouldn't report someone though. The snidey turds in the Revenue are paid to do a job, let them get on with it and do it.

    And as for you OP, just keep your nose out, why should it bother you what your neighbour does or doesn't do?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Fast Forward to 2 months time and we'll have a thread in the Personal Issues as follows......
    My neighbour has turned into the neighbour from hell!!!

    "My neighbour keeps letting his dog sh1t in my flower beds. He has all night parties on school nights. His kids keep kicking their footballs against my window. He keeps parking his car across my driveway so that I can't get in and out of my house. And I really don't know why!?!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭Evzer


    Dont snitch. Its not an admirable trait. You ratting him out is not going to improve your financial situation either way. Have you thought about the repercussions? If the dude is willing to flaunt his tax evasion so blatantly have you ever wondered what else he might be into? Shhhh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭axer


    My neighbour has his own business, which isn't registered.
    and which doesn't need to be.
    The thing is that as far as he's told me, he's not paying any taxes.
    But he didn't tell you? are you trying to read between the lines?
    No registration, no need to pay taxes!!
    Again, you do not need to register (except for VAT if your turnover exceeds a threshold as stated above).
    The guy is pulling in a couple of grand every week, or so he says. It shows too; what with the new car, foreign holidays and expensive home entertainment items.
    Jealousy gets you no where - as the little kid in me would say.
    The problem is that his "partner" has also set up another business, again with the same dodgy business practices.
    Dodgy practices? Because they didnt register their businesses?
    So between them they're pulling in somewhere in the region of €1500 to €3000 a week without paying any taxes.
    So would it be fair to think that maybe that is complete speculation on your behalf?
    So the question arises, do I discretely let Revenue know about this or do I say nothing? He's a nice guy but at the same time, why shouldn't he pay his due like the rest of us?
    All the above is only speculation. You gotta love the nosey neighbour!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    As has been suggested, your neighbour may be exaggerating about his income or even about the extent of his tax evasion. Additionally I would question the motives of the civic minded in this thread – as someone already pointed out, people seem to have very little problem with social welfare fraud or nixers in Ireland, yet become suddenly moralistic if the person doing so becomes successful at it. What it typically comes down to is not civic virtue or moral indignation but good, old-fashions Irish begrudgery. It’s the same reason that the same people will dislike successful, tax-compliant business people and mutter how their wealth must have been the result of dishonesty.

    So firstly I would look at your own motivation and look at your own honesty. The reality is that you are almost certainly not a saint; you may not be as dishonest, but if someone offered you a small nixer to supplement your income, my guess you wouldn’t pay tax on it either. Same goes for all the other saints frothing at the mouth here.

    Also whoever suggested that if people paid their taxes we’d all end up paying less is living in a fantasy World.

    Secondly this is your neighbour. Even if your information is treated as confidential and you are never required to testify, there’s always a fair chance that your neighbour will be able to put two and two together. That will leave you with someone how bares you a grudge living next door to you. So whatever about someone in work, or at the gym or elsewhere, it really is a dumb move to sh¡t where you eat.
    Linoge wrote:
    No, I think you'll find that the RC actually take tax evasion very seriously.
    They may, but as others have pointed out this may be unlikely. The RC know that a huge percentage of the working population earn on nixers on the side and there is certainly a general belief that as long as your main source of income goes through the books then if some slips through they’ll turn a blind eye.

    Of course if that amount is too large or is your only source of income then they may take notice. Or not. Remember other than the hassle it has to be economical for them to pursue someone - That means that assuming your neighbour’s €3,000 p.m. is even clear profit then his annual bill to the RC would come to less than €10,000. Not worth the effort.

    Typically, from what I know, the RC will pursue tax fraud, but you have to be pulling in a lot more for them to take notice. Additionally the CAB will also do so, especially in the case where the income is criminal in nature – brothels are a favourite of theirs – which again would amount to a lot more money.

    In short, don’t bother. It’s not worth anyone’s while, potentially exposes you to a neighbour with a grudge and your motivation is frankly suspect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    It's a litttle OT but I can't believe how many people on here object to paying tax. How on earth do you expect the country to get run without finance? If you feel it's being misspent by the current administrators that's one thing, but to not want to contribute at all makes my mind boggle?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    It's a litttle OT but I can't believe how many people on here object to paying tax. How on earth do you expect the country to get run without finance? If you feel it's being misspent by the current administrators that's one thing, but to not want to contribute at all makes my mind boggle?
    I think you're missing the point. Has anybody actually said that they object to paying tax? Don't think so. What people are objecting to is snitching on a neighbour.


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