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02/03 Audi A4 1.9TDi or 1.8 Turbo - advice?

  • 13-02-2007 7:20pm
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    I'm currently considering buying a '02 or '03 Audi A4 - either a 1.9TDi or a 1.8T (Turbo). Does anybody here own such a car ?

    I wish to know more about them .......

    - Any known faults ?
    - Miles/kilometers Per Gallon (petrol or diesel) ?
    - Worth buying the diesel version (I do c.12k miles per annum)?
    - Parts expensive (e.g. the 1.8T has twin exhausts/boxes) ?
    - How much can I expect to pay (I'm thinking of importing from UK myself - prob from private seller) ?
    - Is there an 'S Line' model available (can't find any pics of same on google) ?
    (I like the subtle rear boot spoiler and 8/10 spoke alloys I see on some models)

    Apologies if this has been asked before!

    Silvera
    (Ex-Panel Beater)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 E92
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    The 1.8T does around 34 mpg, the 1.9 TDi does around 50.(According to the EU). The S-line is only available on the facelifted one AFAIK. If you can live with an engine that sounds like a tractor, but want a faster car, have the diesel, otherwise the petrol. My heart says I'd have the petrol tbh, as I don't know if I could live with the racket from under the bonnet with the diesel, but my head thinks it would better to have the diesel, as its a lot more common and will be much easier to sell on. Prices for the diesel car be found on the links on this page http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055053189
    The petrol is a good bit cheaper, and not nearly as common, but I remember it costing more to buy new, so will be harder to sell on at resale time. http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=522841
    http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=524588


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 JHMEG
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    No VAG 1.9 TD can be described as fast. And in this case the 1.8T petrol is quite a bit quicker, and is the faster car. The 1.9TD would be better for agricultural work (pulling trailers and the like).

    IIRC, most 1.8 petrols in this country are non-turbo (another cost-cutting "Ireland special").

    It used to be the case with the 96- model that the front suspension, derived from the Passat of the same era, wore out prematurely. I think this model is the same (people I knew with the older model have Toyotas etc now).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 macshadow
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    I've been looking at the A4 recently on parkers.co.uk and theaa.com and i'm a bit confused about the auto box,some are cvt and some auto? i know their similar but thats all i know.Parkers say the 1.9td engine is very coarse but if you go for the cvt there's a 2.0td s line in 04 reg 138bhp and 44mpg.
    A new car is not on the cards at moment for me but if you could keep us informed of how you get on silvera.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 HashSlinging
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    JHMEG wrote:
    No VAG 1.9 TD can be described as fast. And in this case the 1.8T petrol is quite a bit quicker, and is the faster car. The 1.9TD would be better for agricultural work (pulling trailers and the like).

    IIRC, most 1.8 petrols in this country are non-turbo (another cost-cutting "Ireland special").

    It used to be the case with the 96- model that the front suspension, derived from the Passat of the same era, wore out prematurely. I think this model is the same (people I knew with the older model have Toyotas etc now).


    BuLL.

    the 1.9tdi 130bhp unit has more mid-range acceration than the 150bhp 1.8T, you'd be lucky to achive 15mpg on the 1.8T when having a go.

    The OP is looking for 02 - 03 A4s and all these 1.8s have a turbo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 maidhc
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    JHMEG wrote:
    The 1.9TD would be better for agricultural work (pulling trailers and the like).

    A car that can pull trailers well is normally one that can haul itself along reasonably lively without constantly stirring the gearbox.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 $Leon$
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    In day to day driving the Tdi (especially the 130bhp) is better.
    Better fuel economy, more torque lower in the range, the 6th gear.
    The only bad thing about the diesels is they have a shorter rev range


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 prospect
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    To the OP, ignore all the agricultural and tractor remarks. Obviously more people who are still in the 80's.
    Really people, when you know SFA about something, it is better to just keep quiet.

    The TDi will be more economical, and 'slightly' louder. But only really noticable on start-up on a cold morning.

    Choice between Diesel and Petrol is a subjective thing. I prefer driving diesel cars (with turbos), as the blend of comfort, power, economy and mid range performance (i.e. where it matters) is best for me.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 yop
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    JHMEG wrote:
    No VAG 1.9 TD can be described as fast. And in this case the 1.8T petrol is quite a bit quicker, and is the faster car. The 1.9TD would be better for agricultural work (pulling trailers and the like).

    IIRC, most 1.8 petrols in this country are non-turbo (another cost-cutting "Ireland special").

    It used to be the case with the 96- model that the front suspension, derived from the Passat of the same era, wore out prematurely. I think this model is the same (people I knew with the older model have Toyotas etc now).

    Have you actually drive a 1.9 TDI audi.... :rolleyes:

    I have the 130 bhp and it is very nippy, the 100 bhp is a very dead car compared to it.
    I average anything from 40 - 48 mpg, rarely get 50+ due to the crowded roads and amount of road works I seem to come across.

    I suspect that the 1.8 petrol (is it 160bhp) would be quicker but will of course have less mpg, all depends what you want.

    Good luck with your search


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 bazz26
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    The A4 TDi of that vintage to go for is the 130bhp PD 6 speed. It is in a different league to the standard 100bhp version. If looking for the Quottro body kit or boot lid spoiler then more than likely it will need to be a UK import Sport or Quottro model as opposed to the SE.

    The 1.8T petrol model has 163bhp afaik. This is a bit rare in Ireland but common enough in the UK with a higher spec. It's a retuned version of the engine also found in the VW MkIV Golf GTi, Audi TT, A3 & A6, Seat Leon Cupra and Cupra R, VW Passat and Skoda Octavia vRS. The thing to watch with this engine is the cylinder coils were prone to failure which VAG issued a recall on a few years ago. Should have been replaced by now but you never do know for sure. It effected all VAG 1.8 litre 20 valve engines, both turbo and non turbo versions.

    Given the choice between the two I would go for the 1.9 TDi PD 130 as it gives better mpg, has more torque, just as much pace in everyday driving, will carry the miles better and will be easier to sell on afterwards.

    If going to the UK for one make sure you get a HPI check done on the car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 E92
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    The 1.8 T had 150 bhp before the facelift, after that it has 163 bhp. The reason why the diesel would be a good bit faster in the real world is because it has 229 lb ft of torque(the 130 bhp version), and the 1.8T has 155 lb ft. Torque is the thing that you get when overtaking, not power. In relation to 'Irish specials', they're all at that. The BMW 316i is 'specially' for Ireland. We were one of the 'select' countries to get the Toyota Avensis with a 1.6 petrol. And we're special enough to be getting a Mondeo with a 1.6 again.That will be the worst model in the range, I haven't even seen the car, and haven't a clue about its performance yet, but I know it will be regardless. We were denied the TDCi engine in the Mondeo LX for about 3 years after the UK got an LX TDCi. Our 1.8 Mondeo LX has 108 bhp, while the 1.8 LX across the pond has the 123 bhp engine. We had the misfortune to get the VW Bora(ing) with a teeney weeney 1.4.The VW Jetta here has 1.6 with 102 bhp as the base engine, in the UK they get a 115 bhp engine to start off. Bring on the reform of VRT(and hopefully its abolition), hopefully 'Irish specials' will become a thing of the past. The 1.6 Passat doesn't exist in the UK either, nor does a 1.6 Vectra.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 Silvera
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    Thanks for all the responses guys .......makes for interesting reading!

    I was slightly biased towards the 1.9TDi before starting this post, but now I definitely WILL be going for one!

    I plan on purchasing in the UK. I'm currently researching whats out there and what it would finally cost (i.e. VRT included)

    Best so far ....

    '02 A4 1.9TDi 130bhp SE 52k 1 owner Full ASH Silver (from UK dealer) - c.€14500 incl VRT.

    (My current budget is c.€15000)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 tech
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    I had a 1.8T from the Garage for a few days some yoke to move but could not keep petrol in it, You would want a tanker following you , I found it basic enough no steering wheel controls on the 04 models, but if I was buying one id got for the 130bhp diesel, as you have the best of both worlds :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 Moanin
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    Try www.allapprovedcars.com

    All main dealers use this site so you should be able to get a genuine one.I bought mine (2004 A4 1.9tdi 130se) last year from this site from a main dealer with f.a.s.h.No problems so far and I saved about €3k!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,130 unkel
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    The OP is looking for 02 - 03 A4s and all these 1.8s have a turbo.

    True afaik
    the 1.9tdi 130bhp unit has more mid-range acceration than the 150bhp 1.8T

    But aren't most 02-03 1.8Ts 163BHP? 0-100km/h they are a lot faster than the fastest 1.9 diesel. I guess mid-range there would not be that much between them.

    Also, Silvera, the lower end 1.9 diesels have only 100BHP, which is not a lot, but it can't really be called lethargic either

    The 130BHP diesel does 0-100km/h in about 10s. That's decent enough for that size car. Is sure isn't slow

    I suggest you do your sums. The diesel will cost more to buy, but will save you on fuel and will be easier to sell - even with a high mileage (which can not be said for the petrol)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 JHMEG
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    yop wrote:
    Have you actually drive a 1.9 TDI audi.... :rolleyes:
    Unfortuntely I have. A late 90s A4 a while back. I had a loaner from a garage for a couple of days and I was glad to be giving it back. The most unrefined engine I ever had the displeasure of being in control of.
    macshadow wrote:
    Parkers say the 1.9td engine is very coarse
    Spot on.
    the 1.9tdi 130bhp unit has more mid-range acceration than the 150bhp 1.8T, you'd be lucky to achive 15mpg on the 1.8T when having a go.
    As unkel pointed out, the 1.8T is considerably quicker to 100km/h.. so what does "mid-range" mean?
    E92 wrote:
    Torque is the thing that you get when overtaking, not power.
    The old torque v power thing again. And also wrong, you need both. But for overtaking, you need acceleration, which comes from power. Compare a 196Nm Honda Civic Type-R and a 285Nm Ford Transit. Which would you rather be overtaking in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 Fozzie Bear
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    Sounds like a tractor! Good for pulling trailers? :rolleyes:

    Obviously you have not been in many while being driven. This is not the 1980's with your large, sluggish, dirty, smokey noisey diesel. Current day Audi's diesels are among the best in the business. The way ye describe it you would think that the radio and any conversation is impossible to hear inside a 1.9 Tdi and all they are fit for is pulling cattle trailers...

    I have had a 01 (newer shape) 1.9 Tdi since last June and i am absolutely delighted with it. I was in the same boat as you as i was looking at the 1.8 too but i do about 15-20,000 per year so i went for fuel economy. I drove both and both cars are fast, accelerate like a bat out of hell and are built to last. But the 1.9 was for me and i got excellent fuel economy, loads of power and acceleration and you will have an excellently engineered and built car to boot. Total and utter boll*x to say otherwise just because it's a diesel. My advise is to go for a test drive in both and you will see there is feck all difference performance wise between them. The real issue is fuel usage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,999 omega man
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    How is a 130bhp tdi faster than a 150bhp petrol turbo which is lighter and has a better rev range? Might get an early burst of torque but the petrol will always win out imo. If its fuel economy you want go for the tdi but the petrol has better performance and looks nicer with the twin pipes. Get a 163bhp model if possible and if that bores you then get a remap to just under 200bhp!:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 JHMEG
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    I drove both and both cars are fast, accelerate like a bat out of hell
    What were you used to driving? A 60bhp 1.4 litre Golf maybe which has the urgency of treacle?

    My 2.0 Accord automatic does 100km/h in ~10.7 secs, and that's a slow car. An A4 1.9 TDI does it in ~10.8, which would also make it a slow car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,706 craichoe
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    I recently went from Petrol to diesel, got a 00 Skoda Octavia 1.9 TDi and i'd never look back. You just have to get used to driving a diesel, you can't just go straight from a petrol, jump into a diesel and get the same experience without changing your driving style.

    Who says Diesels are noisy !, ok .. in fairness .. it does sound like a van when idling from the outside, but this is hardly noticeable in the car. Gear changes are smooth and power delivery is spot on. The power band is basically between 1800 and 3500 rpm.

    Lots of pulling power too, something i noticed is you can overtake going up a hill :D

    On the noise thing though ... i could be going deaf due to driving a zxr 250 ... redline was at 19000 RPM :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 HashSlinging
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    JHMEG wrote:
    As unkel pointed out, the 1.8T is considerably quicker to 100km/h.. so what does "mid-range" mean?

    The old torque v power thing again. And also wrong, you need both. But for overtaking, you need acceleration, which comes from power. Compare a 196Nm Honda Civic Type-R and a 285Nm Ford Transit. Which would you rather be overtaking in?

    Mid - range?? 60km/h - 120Km/h in which case the 130 Tdi is faster, most people dont cruise traffic lights looking for a race to 100 km/h.

    Your comparison of a Honda Civic Type-R to a transit van is hilarious, what about comparing a 200bhp diesel car to a 200bhp petrol hatchback car, who would win your little rally then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 The Insider
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    JHMEG wrote:
    No VAG 1.9 TD can be described as fast. And in this case the 1.8T petrol is quite a bit quicker, and is the faster car. The 1.9TD would be better for agricultural work (pulling trailers and the like).

    :rolleyes:

    You are talking shi**. I currently own a 1.9 TDi, the 130 bhp version. It's a powerful car to drive and extremely nippy. Obliviously you have never driven one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,130 unkel
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    A bit less of the "bullsh1t" and "you're talking sh!te" comments please folks...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,706 craichoe
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    Drive a red badge Passat TDi and compare

    Fuel Efficiency,
    Resale Value
    Reliability
    Engine Life

    And tell me why do diesels hold their resale value ?

    Its a far superior engine and anyone that harps on about them being crap has just never driver one, or has jumped into one for ten minutes and driven it the same way as they drive a petrol.

    Its like driving bike with an inline 4 engine the same way as a v-twin and saying the v-twin is a pile of junk because you drove it the same way !

    Or even a parallel twin vs a v-twin ! Completely different animals with different characteristics, you have to treat them as such ! !!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 prospect
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    JHMEG wrote:
    Unfortuntely I have. A late 90s A4 a while back. I had a loaner from a garage for a couple of days and I was glad to be giving it back. The most unrefined engine I ever had the displeasure of being in control

    To be fair,

    You indicate that:
    You once drove a diesel car
    It was ten years ago, or a ten year old car
    It was a loan car from a dealer, i.e. not exactly the most cared for car

    And that is your basis of judgement of all diesel cars :rolleyes:

    Petro Vs Diesel is purely subjective. There is no correct answer which is better. However, having driven a huge range of vehicles with varying engine sizes, makes, models and fiel types, I far far far prefer diesel.

    It is true that equivelent size/output petrol cars will be faster off the spot. But, when accelerating from 40mph up to 70mph, my current diesel car is far superior to the majority of petrol cars i have ever driven.

    P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,423 fletch
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    :rolleyes:

    You are talking shi**. I currently own a 1.9 TDi, the 130 bhp version. It's a powerful car to drive and extremely nippy. Obliviously you have never driven one.
    Skoda Fabia 1.9TDI 130bhp - "The in gear acceleration times are 50-70 mph in 5.6 seconds, quicker than BMW's 330i which needs 6.0 seconds. 20-40 mph in 2.4 seconds is as quick as the Lotus Elise 111R" - source


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 JHMEG
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    Mid - range?? 60km/h - 120Km/h in which case the 130 Tdi is faster,
    Proof?
    Your comparison of a Honda Civic Type-R to a transit van is hilarious
    Read more carefully. Was an example of how "torque is what's needed for overtaking" is rubbish.

    @prospect: Specifically a 98/99 A4 TDI. For 3 days from a garage. Was 3-4 years ago. Is that clear enough for you? And just so you're still clear: I said that that car was the most unrefined engine I've ever been in control of. I never said it was the only diesel I've driven, and I never said that because that one was unrefined that all diesels are.

    @Fletch: yeah, it's known that petrol cars don't accelerate well in top gear at low RPM. Top Gear illustrated that with an EVO and some diesel powered family car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,130 unkel
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    what about comparing a 200bhp diesel car to a 200bhp petrol

    But we're comparing an aging 130BHP 8V diesel against a turbo charged 163BHP 20V petrol. The huge benefit a relatively modern diesel has over a N/A petrol is higher torque and especially the availability of it at low revs

    The turbo charged petrol here does not have as much of it as the diesel, but still quite a lot. Sure the diesel will win any test where the revs are kept artificially low (as in 80-120km/h in 5th gear), but if one is allowed to use the full range of the petrol, It's a different story

    But as many people have said, resale and economy are very important factors to most of us! Out of interest, anyone know what ballpark prices are we talking for same age, same spec 1.8Ts and 1.9TDI 130s for say an '02?

    New there was very little in it which, unsurprisingly, was a huge factor in most people going diesel!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 peasant
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    Sure the diesel will win any test where the revs are kept artificially low


    They're not kept artificially low ...they don't go any higher :D

    Anybody trying to rev the nuts off a diesel will be dissapointed, equally as dissapointed as someone who puts the boot down in a turbo petrol at 1500 rpm and expects a punch in the back.

    All in all, I'd say that the 1.8t probably has the more sports-car like performance ...if driven like a sports car with lots of shifting down and keeping the revs up etc. Whereas the 1.9 td will feel punchier under normal driving conditions for lazy people (i.e providing ooomph either from standstill or from trundling along at low revs without having to shift down)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 maidhc
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    JHMEG wrote:
    @prospect: Specifically a 98/99 A4 TDI. For 3 days from a garage. Was 3-4 years ago. Is that clear enough for you? And just so you're still clear: I said that that car was the most unrefined engine I've ever been in control of. I never said it was the only diesel I've driven, and I never said that because that one was unrefined that all diesels are.

    Diesels are FAR quieter cars to drive than petrols. The 1.9TDI is a particularly bad example of a noisey diesel engine.

    In comparison the Corolla D4d is more or less inaudible at tickover, and has all the benefits of low revs when cruising.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 Moanin
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    maidhc wrote:
    Diesels are FAR quieter cars to drive than petrols. The 1.9TDI is a particularly bad example of a noisey diesel engine.

    In comparison the Corolla D4d is more or less inaudible at tickover, and has all the benefits of low revs when cruising.


    That's because the toyota is common rail diesel and the Audi isn't.Have an A4 tdi myself and can highly recommend them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 JHMEG
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    maidhc wrote:
    Diesels are FAR quieter cars to drive than petrols. The 1.9TDI is a particularly bad example of a noisey diesel engine.

    Wouldn't agree with the 1st statement, but anyway.

    The 1.9TDI is being phased out now as it's quite an old design.


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    JHMEG wrote:
    Wouldn't agree with the 1st statement, but anyway.

    The 1.9TDI is being phased out now as it's quite an old design.

    like he said. 1.9TDI is pretty old. the 2.0TDI is now available in 140 and 170ps
    versions. Have to say they are noisy enough, noticeably more so that the petrol engines. definitely not FAR quieter.

    For me it would be the 1.8T, but one of the guys in work here has the 2.0TDI 140 and it is nice, but major turbo lag. foot to the floor, pause, pause, kick in the back. Fuel economy of course is way better with the diesels.


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    fletch wrote:
    Skoda Fabia 1.9TDI 130bhp - "The in gear acceleration times are 50-70 mph in 5.6 seconds, quicker than BMW's 330i which needs 6.0 seconds. 20-40 mph in 2.4 seconds is as quick as the Lotus Elise 111R" - source

    What is the point of a lazy post like this. Your stats take no account of the actual gear ratios for (presumably) 4th gear in the test.

    In the skoda 4th gear is in the torque (actually power really) sweet spot. For all other examples the car is way off its sweetspot.

    Silly comparison


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    Mid - range?? 60km/h - 120Km/h in which case the 130 Tdi is faster, most people dont cruise traffic lights looking for a race to 100 km/h.

    Your comparison of a Honda Civic Type-R to a transit van is hilarious, what about comparing a 200bhp diesel car to a 200bhp petrol hatchback car, who would win your little rally then.

    Again this is stupid - The diesel will only be quicker in the "mid range" if the petrol driver doesn't drop a cog or two -

    You kinda also contradicted the torque advantage arguement. I.e.

    Q: how much torque does a diesel need to keep up with a 200hp Type R
    A: As much torque as is required to make 200hp.

    Get it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 510 Mayshine
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    maidhc wrote:
    Diesels are FAR quieter cars to drive than petrols. The 1.9TDI is a particularly bad example of a noisey diesel engine.

    Finally, as an ex Lexus driver - this is patently rubbish


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 galwaytt
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    Last 5 cars / miles covered:

    01 2.0 E200 Kompressor Avantgarde tiptronic 5k miles
    06 1.9 105bhp DSG Golf Plus 10k miles
    05 1.9 140bhp Passat Tdi Tipronic 13k miles
    00 1.8t TT high spec 6k miles
    00 1.8t TT 10k miles

    Thoughts on all
    E200 - peerless, average 28mpg knocking around, 35 mpg on a run. It'll be hard to replace.......at any price.........
    Golf Plus DSG - gearbox is so good is makes up for the power deficit over the Passat. 43 mpg average. Seats appalling. Spec appalling.
    Passat Tiptronic - Ooodles and oodles of power - almost too much, as traction hopeless. Very, very nice to drive. Loves diesel, could not better 38mpg, usually less. (Having said that, my friend has a 105bhp Skoda Octavia 1.9Tdi Tiptronic..........and gets 48mpg....). Car very, very quick in 'real life' i.e., it's fast without trying, due to good torque at real-life speeds - .i.e., up to 85mph.
    TT #2 - Average 31mpg. Brilliant. V.fast, traction superb - worth at least 50bhp?? Suspension bushes worn out at 43k miles.
    TT #2 - Average 30/31mpg. Brilliant. Only changed it to no 2 for nicer spec. MAF sensor at 28k miles.

    How you get the 1.8t to 'teen mpg's I have no idea, I didn't exactly hang around in mine...........as for turbo lag, well a Forge DV cured mine.......I met a guy who couldn't decide between the 2.5Tdi and the 1.8t in an estate, and picked the 2.5 He said he regrets it since, as the 1.8t was nicer. I know you can't measure 'nicer', but there you go..........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,999 omega man
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    I went from a leon tdi150 rempapped to 185 to an octavia vrs petrol and although the leon had good performance and great fuel economy there is no comparision for me, forget your torque and mid range waffle. A tdi130 in a big car is not fast by any means, nippy at best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 Silvera
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    I'm actually seriously starting to think about buying a BMW 318 instead?!

    In particular a 01/02 318 Coupe .......like this ......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,130 unkel
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    Looks nice, Silvera!

    Would you not rather go for a 320ci (2.2) or a 325ci (2.5) though? Mind the 318ci (2.0) is quite fast with a 0-100km/h time of around 9s

    The straight 6 engines are just so sweet and will set you back very little, if any, extra over the 4-pot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 maidhc
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    Mayshine wrote:
    Finally, as an ex Lexus driver - this is patently rubbish


    At 60mph my car is doing about 1800rpm and the engine is completely inaudible. At low revs you hear noise, but again, the engine is still running very very slowly.

    Frankly though, I don't care. What I do care about though is that I can get from Cork to Dublin and back on 1/2 a tank of diesel (€25), with the car fully loaded and driving pretty hard.

    It has plenty power for overtaking, and, per the manufacturer can do the 50-70 mph in 5.something seconds in 4th gear. That is about on par with a 2.0 petrol in the same sized car. The 0-100k time is in or around 10seconds, which would not be as good as a petrol, so racing integras at the lights isn't an option.


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