No non-religious admined teacher training colleges

lostexpectation

I read somewhere that there is no non-religious order organised based teacher training for primary teaching in ireland is that true?

spurious

That wouldn't surprise me. Most of the schools are still religious owned.

ArthurDent

No not true any more - it was the case St Pats, Marino, Froebel, Mary I all Catholic ethos, Church of Ireland training school in Rathmines , but Hibernia is non-denominational.

I think this is an interesting area - although the colleges (except Hibernia) have a particular religious ethos - I don't think they could ask your religion before accepting you on a course - however I'd wonder how far this can be pushed - if a student turned up in a Burka to start in one of the colleges how would that be handled?

Trotter

ArthurDent wrote:

No not true any more - it was the case St Pats, Marino, Froebel, Mary I all Catholic ethos, Church of Ireland training school in Rathmines , but Hibernia is non-denominational.

I think this is an interesting area - although the colleges (except Hibernia) have a particular religious ethos - I don't think they could ask your religion before accepting you on a course - however I'd wonder how far this can be pushed - if a student turned up in a Burka to start in one of the colleges how would that be handled?

Interesting question...

There is a religious education section to the Hibernia course however. It takes place in Maynooth over a number of weekends and involves a lot of home based studying. I wonder is there an opt out policy for this.. I never investigated it because I do wish to be able to teach in schools with a Catholic ethos.

TheDriver

always love hearing critics moan on about religious owning schools and they shouldn't etc etc yet I don't see the govt coming up with the reddies to take over the whole thing, then Isuppose they might actually have to fund a new school building!!

finlma

ArthurDent wrote:

but Hibernia is non-denominational.

Incorrect - Hibernia teaches religion and its Catholicism. I'm an atheist and soon to be primary teacher so don't let it bother you too much. Just live the lie like me

ArthurDent

finlma wrote:

Incorrect - Hibernia teaches religion and its Catholicism. I'm an atheist and soon to be primary teacher so don't let it bother you too much. Just live the lie like me

Hibernian is non-denominational in that it is not funded by any denomination. I'm sure it does teach relgion and would assume a large proportion of the syllabus is based around catholicism given that 95% of primary schools are that denomination - but do you get the catholic cert required by many dioceses as part of course or do you have to get it seperately like PGDE students?

ArthurDent

TheDriver wrote:

always love hearing critics moan on about religious owning schools and they shouldn't etc etc yet I don't see the govt coming up with the reddies to take over the whole thing, then Isuppose they might actually have to fund a new school building!!

Eh govt have been funding the vast majority of school building programme for ages - nearly all schools built in the last couple of years have been paid for almost exclusively by govt, whetther on church land or not.

delta_bravo

ArthurDent wrote:

No not true any more - it was the case St Pats, Marino, Froebel, Mary I all Catholic ethos, Church of Ireland training school in Rathmines , but Hibernia is non-denominational.

I think this is an interesting area - although the colleges (except Hibernia) have a particular religious ethos - I don't think they could ask your religion before accepting you on a course - however I'd wonder how far this can be pushed - if a student turned up in a Burka to start in one of the colleges how would that be handled?

I think I remember the Church of Ireland training college saying that you would have to be a member of the Church of Ireland to get a place in the college. Im not entirely sure but I can see their point as there probably isn't many places in the college and they would like to have their teachers follow that faith of the college.

ArthurDent

delta_bravo wrote:

I think I remember the Church of Ireland training college saying that you would have to be a member of the Church of Ireland to get a place in the college. Im not entirely sure but I can see their point as there probably isn't many places in the college and they would like to have their teachers follow that faith of the college.

isn't it great that in 2007 there are still careers that you have to be aarticular religion for - especially when it'll be the govt paying for your trainig and paying your salary afterwards - not those denominations - surely this is crying out for an equality case to be taken against the colleges