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peeko

Full Tilt Poker Game #1782428640: Table Nevada (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:07:01 ET - 2007/02/12
Seat 1: pkrmonster ($15.80)
Seat 2: nastymix ($43.35)
Seat 3: scone919 ($195.20)
Seat 4: MRBIG5670 ($32.75)
Seat 5: peeko ($105.90)
Seat 6: HeyImDro ($95.90)
scone919 posts the small blind of $0.50
MRBIG5670 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to peeko[Ad Jh]
peeko raises to $3.50 I'd normally fold this hand from this position, but was leaving to go to the dentist and wanted some last minute action! bad move I know, but would many of you open fold this?
HeyImDro adds $4.10
HeyImDro folds
pkrmonster folds
nastymix has 15 seconds left to act
nastymix is sitting out
nastymix has timed out
nastymix folds
scone919 folds
MRBIG5670 calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [4d 3d 8d]
nastymix has returned
MRBIG5670 checks
peeko bets $4
MRBIG5670 raises to $29.25, and is all in

Should I call?

Hectorjelly

bet more on the flop, and yes, I would call.

peeko

how much more?

in general with continuation bets? or in this situation?

empirix

normally fold this!! jeez thats tight

peeko

a lot of the times I would fold this allright. is it that tight? i find it to be a trouble hand, I do admit my post flop play still has a lot of work though

phantom_lord

wow, I'm never folding this utg, I'd prob bet 6/7. and call.

peeko

maybe ebbing too much on the side of caution so.

ANYone folding PF?

empirix

not sure i'd call - borderline, depends on a number of things, how i was playing, how much i was up etc, looks to me his made the flush

peeko

I was up a couple of buy ins so called, he had 99, I made flush on turn.

valor

folding pf is fine, so is raising

Hectorjelly

Calling or folding depending on wether you are winning or not is the definition of a bad player

peeko

I was in doubt about whether he check raised me with 2 pair / set or one pair / over pair

tbh I was in doubt full stop, hence the post.

empirix

Hectorjelly wrote:

Calling or folding depending on wether you are winning or not is the definition of a bad player

I disagree, i think its a sign of a sensible player. This particular bet is clearly a gamble, whilst i view poker as more of an art in general, more times than not you'll miss the flush. So my view is, if i'm having a good day or feel like a gamble, i might call this bet, more often than not i'd fold.

phantom_lord

empirix wrote:

I disagree, i think its a sign of a sensible player. This particular bet is clearly a gamble, whilst i view poker as more of an art in general, more times than not you'll miss the flush. So my view is, if i'm having a good day or feel like a gamble, i might call this bet, more often than not i'd fold.

sorry but that's just sily, calling is either + or - ev, whether your up or down for the day has no relevence or effect on this.

Hectorjelly

empirix wrote:

I disagree, i think its a sign of a sensible player. This particular bet is clearly a gamble, whilst i view poker as more of an art in general, more times than not you'll miss the flush. So my view is, if i'm having a good day or feel like a gamble, i might call this bet, more often than not i'd fold.

this is the funniest thing ive heard here in a while, unfortunately you are completely wrong . This isnt a neutral ev call, it has a positive expectation. Most of the time any Jack Ace or spade wins it for us. Over 2 cards we win more than 1/2 the time. Folding here costs you money. Whether you are up or down for the session never has any bearing on the mechanics of a single hand, and using it as a guage of whether you should call or not is a clear indication you arent playing or thinking about the game the right way.

kebabfest

peeko wrote:

a lot of the times I would fold this allright. is it that tight? i find it to be a trouble hand, I do admit my post flop play still has a lot of work though

this is tight. HJ explains perfectly why it is tight. However if you are finding it trouble then you're quite right to fold it in general. I just to always get in trouble with AJ until I understood how to play it better. Part of learning the game is identifying hands \elements of your game which you have difficulty with and slowly improving them. I think some of the more experienced players sometimes forget this.

LuckyLloyd

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Bandana boy

violets are blue surely

kebabfest

Diamonds on certain decks are blue these days.
( For the colour blind folk obviously )

peeko

kebabfest wrote:

this is tight. HJ explains perfectly why it is tight.

where? in another post? or are you referring to the post flop play?

LuckyLoyd, I think as I'm fairly new to this level I'm treating it with caution. As my roll increases and my confidence increases I will start playing a little stronger UTG.

kebabfest

peeko wrote:

where? in another post? or are you referring to the post flop play?

LuckyLoyd, I think as I'm fairly new to this level I'm treating it with caution. As my roll increases and my confidence increases I will start playing a little stronger UTG.

I am talking about post flop play.

peeko

Right cool, I had been refering to folding PF.

Ste05

Pre-flop is fine at a 6 handed table, although I'd probably make my standard opening 4-5 because $3.50 is a little too small for both your good hands and bad hands. Although the odd time it's fine I'm sure.

On the flop, a solid raise of about $6 is better, you want to take the pot down now because currently you have nothing, and be willing to call any push or push yourself over any re-raise, you'll normally be getting near enough to the right odds to chase, especially if your over cards are live too.

Certainly as played I'd call

Tar.Aldarion

Bigger raise, certainly call.