The polar states of Irish rugby and soccer

thebaz

As a soccer and rugby fan , hungover by the soccer teams non performance last night, managed by fools , BUT .. who also is looking forward to Ireland possibly winning the 6 Nations, heading into the rugby World Cup with a realistic chance of doing something ---
as much as Eddie annoys me at times , i'm gratefull we don't have a Stan equivalent in charge of the rugby team.

Rugby in Ireland right now , is an example of how to do something right --
whereas soccer is the opposite and an example of gross mismanagment.
Rarely can you see such polar opposites on how to do something right and wrong .
Rugby fans be gratefull.

[Jackass]

The IRFU are progressive, they have foresight and intelligence.

The FAI are regressive, they have a boys club and gobsh*tes.

Hugh_C

thebaz wrote:

who also is looking forward to Ireland possibly winning

Hope you're still saying this on Sunday evening. I'm not so confident. It's just another park as far as he French are concerned. Big deal, so what? Tant pis.

shmaido

I read a pretty interesting article in the independant online, its mostly hypeing up the significanse of the match but it also goes in to the relationships between the GAA management and their rugby and soccer counterparts, turns out its totally polar there too (no prizes for guessing who's got the worse relationship), its a bit of a long article but worth a read.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/rugby_union/article2248715.ece

Chucky the tree

EOS is alot like Stan, hes just lucky enough to have a much better selection of players to pick from.

Agamemnon

Both results had a few things in common: Ireland won both, but underperformed.

The difference with rugby is that we have a much better squad and a manager with at least three quarters of a brain. The soccer muppets display a serious lack of commitment compared to their rugby counterparts or good GAA teams.

thebaz

Chucky the tree wrote:

EOS is alot like Stan, hes just lucky enough to have a much better selection of players to pick from.

i take it your joking -- but just in case
Eddie has a track record as a coach , stan has none ;
Eddie can coach , stan can't

Eddies shortcomings , which he has , are minor within the bigger picture --
Stan just has shortcomings as a coach .

Chucky the tree

There both clowns imo. Its just EOS is better at hiding the fact.

delta_bravo

Chucky the tree wrote:

There both clowns imo. Its just EOS is better at hiding the fact.

Yeh, he hides it behind the triple crowns he has acheived with Ireland and his high standard of coaching

GreenHell

Ah triple crowns are a dime a dozen, I've a drawer full of them back home. We should have won the grand slam those years. First one fair enough, but the second one our min standard should have been to win the championship.

is_that_so

Whatever else you may say about EOS he did actually have coaching experience before he got the job. I agree with the OP on this . I think rugby in Ireland is in a reasonably healthy state, especially when you compare with the English and French leagues.

As for football well they don't seem to have a plan. They resisted and IMO still resist Genesis. The choice of manager was dubious to say the least, if a touch populist. There is a complete muddle there and no idea where they are going to.
The only positive thing is the focus on club solvency in the EL.

Chucky the tree

delta_bravo wrote:

Yeh, he hides it behind the triple crowns he has acheived with Ireland and his high standard of coaching

omg!!! a triple crown?!!! He is, like, the best coach eva!!!!

:rolleyes:


The fact the players and the fans celebrated last years triple crown like it was something half decent was a joke. The years England were on top, if they didnt win a Grand slam they considered it a failure. The same with the French, but the irish? Nope, sure we'll take a triple crown, its an excuse for a piss up at least!!

The fact we havent won a Grand slam yet is a joke. If we dont win a grand slam this year, i'd sack him. He should of been sacked after the 2005 6 nations.

thebaz

Chucky the tree wrote:

omg!!! a triple crown?!!! He is, like, the best coach eva!!!!

:rolleyes:

The fact we havent won a Grand slam yet is a joke. If we dont win a grand slam this year, i'd sack him. He should of been sacked after the 2005 6 nations.

Last nights result is comparable to Ireland losing 80 - 0 to Italy -- EOS result record is pretty impressive , yes he has faults , but you can not seriously compare them to that muppet or puppet supposedly in charge of of our football team .

Sangre

Chucky, the eternal optimist.

Chucky the tree

You chaps need someone to keep you from floating into the clouds.

buck65

Ah come on Chucky, Eddie isn't that bad. However I would be critical of his team selection with R Best instead of Flannery and Murphy on the bench. You're right about Triple Crowns though they aren't really worth much, more like a silver medal.
However I honestly think we will struggle to win the Slam ever because of our lack of a replacement out half and a struggling scrum.
Realistically a championship may be the best we can hope for this year.
I think England will beat us. (Sorry)

terry mac

thebaz wrote:

i take it your joking -- but just in case
Eddie has a track record as a coach , stan has none ;
Eddie can coach , stan can't

Eddies shortcomings , which he has , are minor within the bigger picture --
Stan just has shortcomings as a coach .

I'd more put it as Eddie has O'Driscoll and Darcy, Stan has Shane Long and Kevin Kilbane.

Every international coach can only do his best with the players he has. I don't rate Stan as a manager, and John Delaney is the man to blame. That said, I don't think comparisons between EOS and Stan are valid. Apart from the fact that its two different sports, EOS is presiding over a golden era in Irish rugby, Stan is trying to take us through a famine.

Who ever the Irish rugby coach was in the early 90s - Murphys??? I don't think it would have been fair to compare him to Jack Charlton, given the calibre of players Jack had available to him.

davyjose

hughchal wrote:

Hope you're still saying this on Sunday evening. I'm not so confident. It's just another park as far as he French are concerned. Big deal, so what? Tant pis.

His whole point doesn't hinge on one result. Win or lose sunday, the fact is the IRFU have got it right. Also, Ireland's favourite tag has nothing to do with Croker, which I believe won't be much of an advantage at all.

davyjose

2 Triple crowns, Chucky.

thebaz

terry mac wrote:

I'd more put it as Eddie has O'Driscoll and Darcy, Stan has Shane Long and Kevin Kilbane.

Every international coach can only do his best with the players he has. I don't rate Stan as a manager, and John Delaney is the man to blame. That said, I don't think comparisons between EOS and Stan are valid. Apart from the fact that its two different sports, EOS is presiding over a golden era in Irish rugby, Stan is trying to take us through a famine.

Who ever the Irish rugby coach was in the early 90s - Murphys??? I don't think it would have been fair to compare him to Jack Charlton, given the calibre of players Jack had available to him.

My post relates to the general states of rugby and soccer in this country at the moment -- regarding respective coaches Stan has as much coaching ability as me , which is nought -- and if i took over the coaching of the Ireland rugby team , regardless of the players , we'd sure be heading for defeat on Sunday . I know Eddie has faults , such as his use of substitutions and non use of foreign based players , but his International record and cv is pretty impressive.

zAbbo

Difference between Irish Rugby and Soccer ?

I can pay a few quid and go watch (World Class) International Irish players who live and play in Ireland, or I could get a flight to England, Accomodation etc., over priced ticket cost and watch a few International Irish players, who live and play in a England.

That's the difference