How does online cash differ from live..!!

THEIRISHMOB

Hi guys.

Been playing live cash (€1/2 & €2/5) for the last year doing quite well. Play about 4 nites a week (6-9 hrs nite) making good profit for the last 12 months.
Also play stt online and do ok on those also.

Problem is: Can't seem to make the transition to online cash games. Im quite a tight player but also play the usual cash hands not just A-? and pairs . love 5-6 or 5-7 8-10 suited etc . u know the usual.

Cant seem to make a regular profit online .
Currently playing $1/2 & $2/5 same as my live level.

Whats the secret guys? and also one other question thats a total mystery to me: What makes the scandanavians such good cash players? agression? as they seem to have it down to a fine art?

can't wait for your replys Guys

LuckyLloyd

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bops

I too win live cash and stts online, but have the same probs as you in online cash.

I'm gonna guess that you play your live cash games in regular places and therefore against regular opponents?

Therefore, since you are a winning live cash player, you have a decent level of respect at the tables.

Online you will have none of this.
People online will bluff you out of pots more, call/rerasie you with bad draws more (whick leads you to paying them off OTR because you can't put them on the silly draw etc.)

In STTS this isn't often the case because everyone starts with the same stack, where BR etc isn't such a huge issue.

There is also the arguement that online, the players will be of a better calibre than live with respect to similar levels eg 1/2 and 2/4 ??

my advise is to stick to what you are good at!!
Maybe play a bit of online cash to see if you are just ruuning bad, or if you can find a winning system - if you do - let me know ty!!

gl on the tables!

bops

ps where do you play live?

sikes

1/2 live, in general, is so much softer than 1/2 online.

trying starting at .25/.50 and playing a few 10k hands. then work your way up.

El Stuntman

grotesque displays of mega-tilt are far more common online

it's harder to make a complete ass of yourself when you actually have to look someone in the eye rather than click a few buttons...

oh, and live poker is rigged

Lazare

Maybe I'm being cynical, but I've a feeling this is another one of those threads where the OP is gonna get back on and say how he found this wonderful new software on bladybladyblah.com, where for a small fee we can all reap the benefits of it's amazing cutting edge features, and all our poker woes shall be forgotten.... forever. :rolleyes:


Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Just havin one of those days.

Hectorjelly

I think this guy sounds genuine, allthough you could be right

jimbling

sikes wrote:

1/2 live, in general, is so much softer than 1/2 online.

trying starting at .25/.50 and playing a few 10k hands. then work your way up.

pity you can't multitable live.

El Stuntman

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think this guy sounds genuine, allthough you could be right

This 'Hectorjelly' is clearly an imposter - leaning both ways with an opinion, pfffft

5starpool

El Stuntman wrote:

This 'Hectorjelly' is clearly an imposter - leaning both ways with an opinion, pfffft

I always thought Hectorjelly and Imposter were two different posters. How wrong I appear to have been.

/tells myself to get back on topic.

To the OP, I think that to get used to the particulars of online poker you should play for a while at levels less than you would play live. If this means a month or two grinding it out at .25/.50 then so be it.

LuckyLloyd

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Solksjaer

I suppose one of the big differences for the good players has to be that they can multitable and thus turn 100s more hands in 6, 7 hours than you can live.

Only ever heard of one guy multi-tabling live and this was in two separate tournaments in Drogheda:eek: . I forget his name, but he won one of the tournaments so this tactic works

Also as Stuntman says, online poker is ....(I can't say it)

RoundTower

almost certainly you are playing with terrible players live, deluding yourself about your results, or both. Try 5c-10c or something to start, most sites have that.

Hectorjelly

LuckyLloyd wrote:

It must be noted that he used the term "guys" three times though - I'm on the fence I think.

Yeah Ive reread it and changed my mind,

shill wrote:

Problem is: Can't seem to make the transition to online cash games. Im quite a tight player but also play the usual cash hands not just A-? and pairs . love 5-6 or 5-7 8-10 suited etc . u know the usual."

this sounds too contrived to be real

Lazare

Also, are $2/5 games common online?

RoundTower

Having reviewed the evidence I'm going to stick my neck out and say I think he's not a shill. But I've made some bad reads recently.

califano

At the very least the absolute minimum its a scandanavian.
He spelled scandanavian correctly with absoloutely no problem and its like its our Q to agree with 'What makes the scandanavians such good cash players?'

To narrow it down even further i'd go as far as to say it probably that B.A scandie who was at the GJP festival with his zoom lens camera. Thats my guess anyway.

THEIRISHMOB

no limit
usually live and online buy in to 1/2 or 2/5 for 100times big blind when i sit down.

online sorry 2.5 /5 or 3/6 same x100

live very mixed opponents....agressive tight etc...few well known big live gamblers from south east

play mainly southeast and carlow clonmel etc

my playing style would be classed as tight ,solid, with no problem sitting for long periods waiting for the cards to turn.

Online seems to be a different story

dont wanna give out to much info ..lol

Lazare

:eek: :eek:

ionapaul

I have to admit now that I am playing live cash 4-5 days a week down here in Sydney, I hardly play any online cash as I find it much, much easier to turn a profit live than online. As sikes mentioned, 1-2 live is almost unimaginably softer than 1-2 online - rather than playing multi-tabling professionals, I am playing on tables with 1 or 2 drunks, maybe 5 Asian gamblors (in Star City Casino, I would estimate over 80% of customers are Asian or Asian-Australian) and at most 1 or 2 tight aggressive people who know what they are doing.

I always imagined live cash would be more difficult than online cash, more fool me for waiting so long to play!

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

multi-table! you can't get bored playing 1231512334534223 tables, plus your tilt control geets dramactically better the more hands you see.

live is easier because live players are generally much, much worse. Live you play against reg oppenents and know their game quite well, they also give off tells you can pick up on, sure alot of the time you can tell how someone's gonna play before you see a hand.

there was other stuff...it'll come back to me.

alienhead

what's STTS mean?

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

alienhead wrote:

what's STTS mean?

single table tournaments.

Hitman Actual

Here's my take; it's been alluded to in some of the posts, but anyway:

The standard in live NLHE cash games around the country is very poor in general, although you do get some decent players. In saying that, I'd imagine very few would do well above 2-4 online (and even 2-4 is a stretch). So you don't have to be a particularly good player to do well, you just have to be better than most (and be adequately bank-rolled ). Good starting hand selection, and the ability to be able to play preflop and on the flop is all you really need.

Also, because the player base is much smaller, it doesn't take long to have 'reads'/playing patterns on everyone (assuming you're an observant enough player). This is crucial, obviously, and because of this you work with much smaller opponent hand ranges. It's easy to pick up on players lines and know their holding to a much higher degree of certainty, so much so that even if you're wrong you won't be losing in the long run (the profit from the times you're right will far outweigh the times you're wrong).

Compare this to online where the casual/beginner player has few decent reads on anyone. Now you have to make decisions based on every possible holding of the opponent. This isn't easy for someone coming from the live scene, where reads are common. You also have to learn how to play the turn and river, as the preflop/flop game (which is where the most important decisions are live) won't cut it online. To be honest, you have to learn how to play poker properly to maximise your profit online. Live, the players are generally so bad that they hand it to you on a plate anyway.

Man, I'm rambling....

ollyk1

ionapaul wrote:

I have to admit now that I am playing live cash 4-5 days a week down here in Sydney, I hardly play any online cash as I find it much, much easier to turn a profit live than online. As sikes mentioned, 1-2 live is almost unimaginably softer than 1-2 online - rather than playing multi-tabling professionals, I am playing on tables with 1 or 2 drunks, maybe 5 Asian gamblors (in Star City Casino, I would estimate over 80% of customers are Asian or Asian-Australian) and at most 1 or 2 tight aggressive people who know what they are doing.

I always imagined live cash would be more difficult than online cash, more fool me for waiting so long to play!

Paul restart the blog I want to hear crazy Aussie stories and you have to have some good ones by now!!

peeko

ionapaul wrote:

I have to admit now that I am playing live cash 4-5 days a week down here in Sydney, I hardly play any online cash as I find it much, much easier to turn a profit live than online. As sikes mentioned, 1-2 live is almost unimaginably softer than 1-2 online - rather than playing multi-tabling professionals, I am playing on tables with 1 or 2 drunks, maybe 5 Asian gamblors (in Star City Casino, I would estimate over 80% of customers are Asian or Asian-Australian) and at most 1 or 2 tight aggressive people who know what they are doing.

I always imagined live cash would be more difficult than online cash, more fool me for waiting so long to play!

Is the rake as bad as they say it is!?

THEIRISHMOB

Whats a good profit online from 1/2 or 2/4 games? per week 6 hours a night , 5 nights a week?poker pros?(usually 2 or 3 multi tables) also usually play a tourny to keep up my intrest and not get bored.
stt are giving me regular income should i stick with it or try move up a level and try cash? stt usually $30 50 or 100 stt 9 seats.

cardshark202

Almost all players who only play live run hot for a while and think they are amazing but are probably long term losers and get found out online when they play way more hands.

nicnicnic

cardshark202 wrote:

Almost all players who only play live run hot for a while and think they are amazing but are probably long term losers and get found out online when they play way more hands.

bit of an exaggeration I'd say lots but almost all! I know lots of live players who never ran well and think there amazing

ionapaul

peeko wrote:

Is the rake as bad as they say it is!?

The rake is bad....but the players are much, much worse in Star City than anywhere else I have played so it more than evens out! Olly, I'll have to find some space to record some of my Aussie poker stories alright, so many mental sessions down here. I'm still a bit of a degenerate, I usually finish off a day playing live with a few hours online - too much poker!