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[US/IRL] 3X07 - "Not In Portland" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    6
    A good episode, but not great. The brainwashing scene was freaky. I also think there might be some reason that Sawyer was more affected by it than Kate or Alex. Maybe he already got a dose of it while he was a prisoner of the Others or maybe even before he came to the island. He mightn't be the only one - there's a theory that the Flight 815 survivors weren't on the plane by chance and that the Others have been manipulating them all along.

    On the negative side, Ethan was totally underused and Juliet's backstory wasn't very informative. We finally see the flashbacks of an Other and all we see was how she was recruited, not what the Others really are. Granted, we learn that the Others are part of a wider group operating in the US, but that's something we more or less knew already.

    Still, great to have it back and no more breaks til end of season. Horray! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    DeadParrot wrote:
    And can someone clarify what Carlton let out about the plane crash please?

    I would rather not know so if someone says it please stick it in spoiler tags.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    5
    I gave it a 6,

    Still no progress on the plot and too many pieces missing,
    Didnt see that bus just like julies ex husband didnt.
    It just seems like the writers kill someone important off just for controversy and then all of a sudden new characters appear from the jungle.
    Then start again with new flashbacks.
    Like the two Locke brought to the Pearl station under the plane.
    Hands up who saw them before ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    6
    It's great to have Lost back! I couldn't resist to watch it on Sky1. Will be watching again tonight though. Maybe some of us are biased in the fact that it's been so long cos of the break but...

    I thought it was a good episode. Anyone saying it was worse than average is a bit silly IMO because you have to admit there was a fair bit of action in it.

    Still, once you think we're getting answers, we're really only getting hints.

    I liked Juliettes backstory, if a bit boring. It didn't tell us much but we do know that Ethan and the other guy were most likely from Dharma, and recruiting Jules to the island and 'not in Portland'. Maybe I'm slow but I didn't see the bus thing coming. What's going on with her and her sister? Is she sick? I got that she successfully impregnated her. In the interview there was something said about Juliette 'successfully impregnating a male ___'... didn't catch the end of that.

    Back on the island, I'm liking Jack more and more. I was still on edge about him cutting the artery (the second time, by accident) even though it would be stupid to think that they would kill off Ben - one of the best characters yet. I can't wait for his backstory! (If we get one).

    Don't know what the brainwashing has into it but it was a nice touch. Should have seen it coming. I'm surprised there weren't more random quotes on the screen to throw die hard fans off looking for reasons behind them which have little significance to the plot. But the brainwashing had a religious aspect to it...interesting...I haven't seen Clockwork Orange so can't comment on that but have I completely forgotton a scene in Charlie and the Chocolote Factory because I don't see the simalaroty there...?

    I didn't expect Kate and Sawyer to get off the island. I thought it would end with Juliet holding a gun up to them on the beach. Kind of an anti-climax to hear that she is just as much a prisoner as the Losties. great that Danny is dead though. Why didn't she let Alex go with them/Why didn't she go back to the island with them? (I had a feeling she would do the latter)

    More on the Others - I wonder where Ms Klugh is too. She seemed like a great character (maybe her and Ben and more of the Others were brainwashed too but it didn't work on Juliet). I'm still wondering if some of the Others are still on the Losties island in the 'American' village we saw at the start of season 3 episode 1.

    Ah what a mess, I have too much stuff to write I can't focus on anything...

    But that just proves how much there is to be answered. We've heard it before from a lot of whiney people but never from me. But I finally agree we need one clear major answer at the middle/end of season 3!

    Overall, thought this episode was good but was a bit sloppy..I'll give it a 7


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭qz


    7
    Don't know if it's been mentioned, but if Ben is Alex's father, and we assume that Rousseau is Alex's mother, does that mean the Ben and Rousseau were an item?

    Or have I gotten things arseways?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭Crucifix


    8
    qz wrote:
    Don't know if it's been mentioned, but if Ben is Alex's father, and we assume that Rousseau is Alex's mother, does that mean the Ben and Rousseau were an item?

    Or have I gotten things arseways?
    I assume he's her adoptive father, though maybe she doesn't know it.

    Well, I thought that was a good 'un.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭Baby4


    7
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭SoSueMe


    8
    Brilliant episode> I honestly cannot underdtand the negative criticism this episode got. Has the bar really been set so high on Lost? There was so amny good things in this ep. Elizabeth Mitchell was fantastic - the contrast between her Miami and island self was amazing. She deserves an Emmy nom if she is given another strong episode.

    Anyone enter the RTE Lost competition. I did notice the one prize extends through the 30th of May.


  • Posts: 8,317 ✭✭✭ Willow Narrow Geese


    6
    Seemed to be a change in direction for Lost...this episode was action packed. I don't understand the whole thing with Juliette's sister? She managed to impregnate her but who was the father?

    Why don't they now just shoot Jack as they have no use for him? Danny was part of the Others and they shot him....like I said it more an action episode than any other episode of Lost...hmmmm

    Who's Ms Klugh you guys are talking about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭QuadLeo


    2
    Really not liking series 3. Episode 7 wasn't much better than any previous ones in series 3. The plot keeps getting bigger, with new characters coming and going all the time. I doubt I'll finish watching the series.

    I loved the first 2 series because it was always going somewhere. But now the plot is alot thicker nothing has been explained and the plot is basically at the same point it was at when series 2 was starting except for a few interesting back stories, and change of scenery for jack, sawyer and kate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    6
    Who's Ms Klugh you guys are talking about?

    She was in some of the later episodes of Season 2. Here's her Wiki link.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭man1


    7
    And to that Ms Klugh question, that actress was involved in a car crash a couple of months ago. That's why she's not there.


    Was it serious? Will she be back?

    They cant really bring her back in now can they? Where will they say she was?

    Was she the original leader (or was ben?) and did they rewrite the scripts after the accident and make ben the leader instead?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭man1


    7
    Juliette - Why didn't she let Alex go with them/Why didn't she go back to the island with them?

    What did juliette say to alex that made her stay with the others??

    I missed that bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Jeez, am I the only one that thinks Lost gets more and more cheesy as it goes on?

    I mean the whole Clockwork Orange bit and the scene steal from Final Destination; they can do better than that. Every episode seems to broaden the plot rather than deepen it. We don't understand any more than we did last week, we just know that more is happening.

    They really need to get the number of characters and plots they have going on under the thumb, otherwise the show is essentially descending into a parody of itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭radiospan


    6
    man1 wrote:
    What did juliette say to alex that made her stay with the others??

    I missed that bit.
    I think she said that Alex staying on the island was the only way Ben would let her boyfriend (Carl?) live.

    Although it didn't seem that Ben was in control of whether Carl lives or dies (unless he has him brainwashed somehow?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    man1 wrote:
    What did juliette say to alex that made her stay with the others??

    She said that Ben wouldn't pursue her boyfriend to the other island if she stayed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭man1


    7
    Thanks Guys
    I thought that she said something like that but how does ben have the power if karl lives or not now that he is rescued.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭scojones


    6
    It was an OK episode. I'm still annoyed that new questions are being asked and the old ones are not being answered. It was fairly obvious that we were going to get some flashbacks from the others - we know nothing about them. You can be sure the next episode will be about the other losties on the island, just so they can stall this story a little bit more. I don't expect to see an episode with Jack in it for another two or three episodes. It'll go back to the island and be centered around Desmond.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    7
    Welcome return and although not as good as series 1 or 2 still great TV, bus was obvious I thought....
    ... Did Ethan have something to do with Juliette's sister getting preggers?, when we first saw him he was in the area of her room?????

    Is this whole Lost think revolving around the idea that someone/some thing/some company e.g. Dharma have some control on random events and hence arranged for death bus and all the folk to arrive on this island for a purpose that we have yet to be made aware of

    8/10
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭dubstub


    Interesting that everyone seems to think that Juliette was telling the truth about what Ben said to her. I immediately thought she was lying when she said that. We know that Jack always needs someone to save so it would be an easy way to keep him on their side. Also, there seemed to be a smile across her face when Ben was talking to her, just before she turned away and put her face in her hands.
    Also, what I found most interesting was when Jack asked why they didn't take Ben off the island when they found out he was sick. Mr. Friendly starts to say something about the sky turning purple but gets interrupted by Jack nicking the artery. Was that the first "incident"? Does it mean now that Desmond turned the failsafe in the hatch that they are unable to leave the island?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭gazzer


    I wonder if the length of time that Juliette was on the island has any relevance??

    She said she was 3 years, 2 months and (?) days.

    With the Lost timeframe (Nov 2004) that would take us near to Sept 11 2001


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭dubstub


    gazzer wrote:
    I wonder if the length of time that Juliette was on the island has any relevance??

    She said she was 3 years, 2 months and (?) days.

    With the Lost timeframe (Nov 2004) that would take us near to Sept 11 2001

    Don't think it has anything to do with 9/11 - unless it's a terrorist plot to create a super-human race of soldiers, genetically engineered on a remote.... no wait, that's just silly. :o

    However, Juliette's arrival on the island would be very close to the same time that Desmond arrived on the island. If that has anything to do with anything.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭man1


    7
    dubstub wrote:
    Interesting that everyone seems to think that Juliette was telling the truth about what Ben said to her. I immediately thought she was lying when she said that. We know that Jack always needs someone to save so it would be an easy way to keep him on their side. Also, there seemed to be a smile across her face when Ben was talking to her, just before she turned away and put her face in her hands.

    I think it is just her face, I think she has a permanent smirk on her face even when she is supposed to be upset, sad or angry!!!!!!
    One of her eyebrows is always raised making it look like that too.
    She is hot though!! Oh yeah baby!!!!
    Anyone else notice this???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    6
    man1 wrote:
    I think it is just her face, I think she has a permanent smirk on her face even when she is supposed to be upset, sad or angry!!!!!!
    One of her eyebrows is always raised making it look like that too.
    She is hot though!! Oh yeah baby!!!!
    Anyone else notice this???

    I don't notice that she is hot :p but I do know what you're talking about. She is kind of like Ben in the way she is always kind of...creepy...that's not really the word I'm looking for. But the actress who is playing her is putting across (to me, anyway) that she is a very untrustful character. I never believe anything she says, and not just because she's an Other - but the way her character is played. It's hard to explain.

    I'm thinking that Ms Klugh was a leader (or at least high up on the ladder) and then when the positive response to the episodes around Ben during season 2 ocurred, they changed it.

    And what is with yer man with so much eyeliner?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Old_-_School


    What was with all the great happiness with Juliet's sister getting pregnant? Presumably she's got some form of cancer/brain tumour - are they gong to use the stem cells to cure her or something?
    Killing the ex-husband by bus was too obvious unless they wanted to scare Juliet into joining the company, any normal person would run a mile from someone after (a) the bus accident, (b) him showing up in the mortuary so soon and (c) him knowing about her sister being pregnant.
    Was that guy in that comedy with Helen Hunt? He seems much younger now.
    What's the significance of a 26 year old woman having the womb of a 70 year old?

    My Lost to do list now includes...
    Watch Final Destination,
    Watch Clockwork Orange,
    Read Of Mice and Men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭Jello


    7
    My Lost to do list now includes...
    Watch Final Destination,
    Watch Clockwork Orange,
    Read Of Mice and Men.

    You'll enjoy them all!

    I thought it was a good episode, 8/10.
    The Clockwork Orange scene was pretty good and I'm glad Kate and Sawyer are off the island... I just wonder what they're gonna do with Alex's boyfriend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭trishw78


    8
    I found it interesting that Alex was refered to as Ben's daughter does that mean that Rosseau and Ben are connected somehow was Ben on that Research boat was he one of the crew that got "sick". It's interesting how Kate has made the connection between Alex and Rosseau yet. and What are they going to do with carl now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭trishw78


    8
    Was that guy in that comedy with Helen Hunt?

    I thought he had a wierd Spainish accent in that comedy with Christina Applegate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭Vorsprung


    What's the significance of a 26 year old woman having the womb of a 70 year old?

    Myself and the brother were talking about this today, could it have anything to do with that girl who was shot by Sun on the boat? Wasn't she pregnant? Could she have been exposed by some radiation making her womb abnormal, so Juliette was brought to the island to help her get pregnant. Bit of a stretch I realise!!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,186 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    6
    Ivan wrote:
    Oh and do you think there is any important on the fact that Sawyer seemed particularly spooked by the whole scene?

    I read this as a slightly humorous moment where Sawyer was pulled into the whole brain-washing system in play. I think people think too much about things in this show. There have to be moments in the show that won't have any significance and yet many posters seem to be looking for something in virtually every scene.
    I mean lets do some deep analysis of Star Wars A New Hope. There was a reference in there. Get studying.


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