Pocket 10's 25/50c Ace High Flop

dvdfan

Ok i put the results of this in white at the bottom. What hand have you the opponent on here on Flop,Turn and River?? No Cheating:)



Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $64.95
UTG+1: $50.25
MP1: $56.10
MP2: $13.50
MP3: $50
Hero: $103.10
Button: $36.80
SB: $19.50
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with th td
5 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, 2 folds, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $5.5 (pot was $10.25).

Flop: 6d 2s as ($16.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 2c ($16.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: 4d ($16.25, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5 (pot was $21.25).

Results:
Final pot: $26.25
BB showed Kd Ks
Hero mucks Th Td

On the re-raise pre-flop i was pretty sure i was looking at 4 hands AA,KK 60%and AK or QQ maybe 40%. I had position, was getting 2/1 to call and was likely to stack him if i hit a 10 on the flop. I know hitting my set is 8/1 so is it correct in saying that if i call the $5.50 i have a very good chance of winning my opponents $50 giving me around 9/1. Its tight because hes not always going to donate his whole stack so should i fold here if im putting him on that range.

Anyway i figured he was trapping me into a check-raise on the flop, on the turn i was expecting it again and i was half between AK and KK/QQ and by the river i was pretty sure he had KK or QQ and he was afraid of the Ace, BUT a bluff here will need to be very big to put him off hes hand and probably not +EV so i just check/Called. Could i have played post flop differently??

sikes

can you put some reads on the other players in the hands you are posting?

i doubt you are ever ahead here tho

phantom_lord

i'd imagine it's jj-kk alot.

Derek Zoolander

here's one from earlier..still pissed at the way i played this one :mad:

looking back its pretty clear to me what he had but he was limping and playing muck all evening,,

what do you guys put him on in this situation

***** Hand History for Game 5653474234 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, February 07, 17:08:32 ET 2007
Table Table 126527 (Real Money)
I'm on the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: UTG+1 ( $52 )
Seat 5: SB ( $173.86 )
Seat 6: BB ( $99.30 )
Seat 4: fitzy_r ( $32.11 )
Seat 2: UTG ( $83.67 )
Villan posts small blind [$0.25].
mercedoniu posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fitzy_r [ 9c 9d ]
UTG+1 folds
UTG folds
fitzy_r raises [$3]
SBcalls [$2.75]
BB folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 8c, 9h ]
SB checks
fitzy_r bets [$3]
SB raises [$6.50]
fitzy_r raises [$12]
SB [$110.50]
fitzy_r is all-In [$14.11]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
TimuR_R shows [ Jh, Ts ]a straight Seven to Jack.
fitzy_r doesn't show [ 9c, 9d ]three of a kind, Nines.
SB wins $87.89 from side pot #1 with a straight, Seven to Jack.
SB wins $62.72 from the main pot with a straight, Seven to Jack.

dvdfan

sikes wrote:

can you put some reads on the other players in the hands you are posting?

i doubt you are ever ahead here tho

I didnt have stats to work with. I was 3 tabling 2 full tilt and 1 pkr.com, unfortunately pkr.com slows everything to a crawl if i run poker-office or poker-tracker at the same time.

I wanted to move site for this reason but ive managed to rack up $400 profit in a week or so playing the 25/50c table there. Its incredibly soft compared to full-tilt so i dont want to just withdraw my money yet while im doing so well there and its not just a good roll im on, just playing like a rock is good enough to double up in a session, they cant drop middle pair never mind top pair.

dvdfan

Derek Zoolander wrote:

here's one from earlier..still pissed at the way i played this one :mad:

looking back its pretty clear to me what he had but he was limping and playing muck all evening,,

what do you guys put him on in this situation

***** Hand History for Game 5653474234 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, February 07, 17:08:32 ET 2007
Table Table 126527 (Real Money)
I'm on the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: UTG+1 ( $52 )
Seat 5: SB ( $173.86 )
Seat 6: BB ( $99.30 )
Seat 4: fitzy_r ( $32.11 )
Seat 2: UTG ( $83.67 )
Villan posts small blind [$0.25].
mercedoniu posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fitzy_r [ 9c 9d ]
UTG+1 folds
UTG folds
fitzy_r raises [$3]
SBcalls [$2.75]
BB folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 8c, 9h ]
SB checks
fitzy_r bets [$3]
SB raises [$6.50]
fitzy_r raises [$12]
SB [$110.50]
fitzy_r is all-In [$14.11]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]

Have to say i dont see how you could have played this any different (Other than the fact your shortstacked a small bit) You have top set, hes not getting the implied odds if he has flush draw after you re-raise to $12. Once you re-raised your committed to this and theres no way you can fold...even if you saw hes cards before you called all in youve still lots of outs and i still wouldnt fold.

phantom_lord

your flop bet and reraise are pretty bad.

TacT

Insta fold preflop everytime. There's no need to pay off a bigger hand or go racing against any Ax hands or hoping for a miracle against any made bigger pairs here.

phantom_lord

TacT wrote:

Insta fold preflop everytime. There's no need to pay off a bigger hand or go racing against any Ax hands or hoping for a miracle against any made bigger pairs here.

What? this is an insta-call, we stack him if we hit a set, I'd prefer if the bbs stack was deeper though.

dvdfan

phantom_lord wrote:

your flop bet and reraise are pretty bad.

Is it that bad, it looks like a standard continuation bet of 1/2 pot. Theres very few flops that could be better for him albeit a slightly dangerous flop, if someone has the straight he has around 7 outs on the turn and 10 outs on the river, surely he wants to get all in here.

He gives the villain around 2.5/1 to call the re-raise and any overpair...which i think looks more likely here than a straight is going to call that and theres only $14 more to get in the pot. All in would have been fine here to i.m.o but i would be interested if anyone thinks it should be played different or why you think flop and re-raise were bad? (trying to learn as much as i can:) )

p.s im referring to zoolanders post not my own

Derek Zoolander

I'm aware that the re-raise was pretty poor (but i was not getting anything and played too aggresive with top set)...my query is more about my pre-flop raise here of $3.....

I've been trying to play tighter in terms of mid pairs....undoubtably a 5 or 6 bet would have got him out but what would you guys advise as a raise with pocket 9's

dvdfan

TacT wrote:

Insta fold preflop everytime. There's no need to pay off a bigger hand or go racing against any Ax hands or hoping for a miracle against any made bigger pairs here.

As i said in the white invisible writing at the bottom of my OP i had it narrowed down to 4 hands. This table was playing extremely tight and little or no re-raising preflop. I knew i was only ahead of AK preflop and more likely i would need to hit trips so thats 8/1, it was $5.50 to call to win $55 stack so 9/1, but he could still outdraw me a small minority of the time if he hit 1 of his 2 outs before the river if he has AA,KK,QQ and/or if i hit trips and got all in and he has QQ,KK and the Ace high flop forces him to fold then im not getting 9/1. So can any of the maths gurus tell me if this is +EV id say its very marginal

phantom_lord

sorry, I read it wrong, I thought he min-reraised. your standard c-bet shouldn't be 1/2 pot, especially on that flop.

I'd probably just shove after he reraises and hope the board pairs.

I've been trying to play tighter in terms of mid pairs....undoubtably a 5 or 6 bet would have got him out but what would you guys advise as a raise with pocket 9's

pre flop is fine.

dvdfan

Derek Zoolander wrote:

I'm aware that the re-raise was pretty poor (but i was not getting anything and played too aggresive with top set)...my query is more about my pre-flop raise here of $3.....

I've been trying to play tighter in terms of mid pairs....undoubtably a 5 or 6 bet would have got him out but what would you guys advise as a raise with pocket 9's

Open raising for 6x the blinds with 99 is good, 4x-6x would be fine, id be more worried about the villain calling a 6x raise with JTo and Out of Position. Your only going to hit trips on flop once in 9 and more often than not youll have to play the flop with overcards the other 8 times. You dont want to be playing against overcards if your OOP so id raise more in that case, In position you can get away from a bad flop easier without risking any more of your stack so i would maybe raise less depending on limpers etc

mewso

Derek might be a good idea to post your hand history in a seperate thread so we don't spend our days reading posts wondering which hand is being discussed.

Killme00

dvdfan wrote:

Flop: 6d 2s as ($16.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: 2c ($16.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

If you thought you were behind preflop to QQ or KK you had to bet here

BigCityBanker

Bet the flop,

Bet the turn - if he calls the turn then consider slowing down, if you have balls on you like a bengali tiger then bet the river also.

At this level he will drop KK alot of the time here on an A high flop - He must have AK and AQ and even a Donkey A anything else in your range...

Rnger

Go with your read and represent the A!! Especially after he checks the turn. I dont understand the call on the river at all