tp vs river c/r

phantom_lord

Holdem No Limit - $1 BB

UTG ($92.50) [phantom_lord]
MP ($15.50)
CO ($96.86)
Button ($98.28)
SB ($84)
BB ($74.25)

phantom_lord is UTG with J:spade:, A:club:
Preflop: (6 players, $1.5)
phantom_lord calls $1 and raises $3, MP folds, CO calls $4, Button folds, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

Flop: A:spade:, 7, 8:diamond: (3 players, $13)
SB checks, phantom_lord bets $8, CO folds, SB calls $8

Turn: Q:club: (2 players, $29)
SB checks, phantom_lord checks

River: T (2 players, $29)
SB checks, phantom_lord bets $16, SB calls $16 and raises $32

Results: phantom_lord has J:spade:, A:club:




check on the turn induced a bluff?

5starpool

Possibly, but I think check would have been your best line here tbh. You are getting 5/1 on the call, but a min check/raise isn't usually a bluff. I think you are probably getting too much value given the way the action has gone to fold, so a fairly reluctant call would usually be my action now.

LuckyLloyd

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ianmc38

Foldski.

peeko

Call and see KQ?

LuckyLloyd

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digiman

I would fold here. I would also have checked the river and if you win you win. He was probably calling you with a worse A and very possibly have made 2 pair or maybe thinks you dont have the A and has raised you but very unlikely I think.
I only play 0.25/.5 but thats what usually happens at that level in my experience. J9 suited would not shock me either.

phantom_lord

LuckyLloyd wrote:

I really think you should check behind on the river. Your holding can't stand any heat and given that you bet pre - flop and followed through on the flop it is unlikely that he will pay off this value bet with second or third pair or a weaker Ace - he shouldn't in any case.

I think I look pretty weak in this hand, so he could think a lesser hand is goot and call here.

edit although there's not too many actually, lol.

5starpool wrote:

Possibly, but I think check would have been your best line here tbh. You are getting 5/1 on the call, but a min check/raise isn't usually a bluff.

it's not a minraise, he raised by 35, not to 35.

5starpool

phantom_lord wrote:

I think I look pretty weak in this hand, so he could think a lesser hand is goot and call here.



it's not a minraise, he raised by 35, not to 35.

Ah right. Still an odd line by him though to check all streets.

peeko

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Why is KQ re - raising here? Why is KQ calling our flop bet? If they floated the flop looking to exploit weakness later why didn't they bet the turn? Or the river? I don't think villian ever has KQ here.

Taking into consideration that fact that the villain did not take the lead on the turn or the river, makes the KQ look doubtful ok.

plus I thought it was a river min raise.

AmarilloFats

Well played. Call now. but u are usually beat to these river check min raises..

But keep value betting on the river...Don't check this river.

cooker3

I don't mind the bet on the river as you will likely get called by Ace rag a lot, A7, A6 etc would call. My guess is that he has AQ or more likely AT. Your getting 3-1, hmmmn folding is probably better, it depends on much of a donkey you think he is really.

phantom_lord

my gut feeling was that he had 910, so I did all I could to induce a river bluff, checked turn for good ol' pot control too, and bet weak on the river.

I look pretty weak in this hand, standard c-bet, shut down on the turn, and it looks like a half hearted steal on the river so he tries to take it off me.

pretty sure i win more money here than any other line. plus the metagame aspect that i look like a station that can't drop tp ok kicker on a dangerous board to a reraise.

I thought I played it well but I guess it wouldn't be too surprising to beat here though, i just went with my read.

I think posting the hand looking at the river from his point of view would have been more interesting.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

Holdem No Limit - $1 BB

UTG ($92.50) [phantom_lord]
MP ($15.50)
CO ($96.86)
Button ($98.28)
SB ($84)
BB ($74.25)

phantom_lord is UTG with Js, Ac
Preflop: (6 players, $1.5)
phantom_lord calls $1 and raises $3, MP folds, CO calls $4, Button folds, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

Flop: As, 7h, 8d (3 players, $13)
SB checks, phantom_lord bets $8, CO folds, SB calls $8

Turn: Qc (2 players, $29)
SB checks, phantom_lord checks

River: Th (2 players, $29)
SB checks, phantom_lord bets $16, SB calls $16 and raises $32, phantom_lord calls $32

Results: phantom_lord has Js, Ac
SB has 9c, Tc
phantom_lord wins $122 with Pair: Aces


yep, pretty much the only hand i beat.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

but the results lloyd!

he's c/c on all streets. I think it's a most likely hand for him to have.


edited before I get accusted of anything... I don't know the villain very well at all, and I was playing on auto-pilot at the time so i didn't have some sick read based on how he eats his oreos, his bet timing maybe though,