A good chiropractor D14?

calex71

Hi, Hurt the back last week , nothing too serious, more uncomfoatable than very painfull, so was wondering if anyone knew a good chiropractor in the Rathfarnham area?

I've seen a few in the yellow pages, but i've never been to one before and
i've heard a few stories that would make me think i need to be carefull who i let near my back and neck.

So any advice or recommendations are welcome.

LegacyUser

The guys on 126 Clontarf Road are pretty good.

Check this out : http://www.owendennis.com/clontarf_d3.html

Have U considered physiotherapy instead ?
I think the place on Clontarf Road does physiotherapy too.

LegacyUser

'Hi there is a chiropractor that works from a gym in Clonskeagh. went to him about a year ago. he is really good in my opinion. can't remember his name or the name of the gym. sorry.'

monkeyfudge

I recommend going to your GP and perhaps being referred to an osteopath if necessary.

Chiropractory is quackery on par with homeopathy.

calex71

this is gonna sound really retarded, but what exactly does a physiotherapist do ?

monkeyfudge

It's worth doing a bit of research into chiropractory. It's alternative medicine and as such it isn't regulated.

Try:

http://www.chirobase.org/

TallGirl

Stay away from Chiroprators..... I went to one for a few months and honestly think it did more harm than good. I started seeing an osteopath and it made all the difference.

I would also advise a physio as they are very well trained.... Chiro's just crack bones, nothing else!

Galvo

I'd try a pyhsio. I think they need to be Chartered Physiotherapists to be properly educated, regulated etc. Had a bad experience with a Chiropractor that took a lot of correction afterwards...

InFront

Come to me, i'm a Chiropractor. I live in Dublin 14 too.
I have no Chiropractic qualifications whatsoever, but that doesn't stop me from calling myself a Chiropractor.

OP this is your body, it's the most valuable thing you own. I really think you should make sure you are going to a qualified professional like a physiotherapist or a GP:)

N8

InFront wrote:

Come to me, i'm a Chiropractor. I live in Dublin 14 too.
I have no Chiropractic qualifications whatsoever, but that doesn't stop me from calling myself a Chiropractor.

OP this is your body, it's the most valuable thing you own. I really think you should make sure you are going to a qualified professional like a physiotherapist or a GP:)

Best always seeing someone qualified. For a qualified chiropractor contact the Chiropractic Association Of Ireland www.chiropractic.ie

On their website you can find a chiropractor in your area.

Unfortunately there is no regulation for chiropractic in Ireland much like physiotherapy so anyone can as Infront states call themselves a chiropractor, unfortunately it also means they can and do call themselves physios too...

Chiropractic is that good Doctors also recommend it too....

From The Irish Medical News 29.08.2005

‘Doctors need to start talking to chiropractors about pain relief’

Alan Moran

Over the years I have been fascinated by the number of people with neck or back pains who have been told that arthritis is the cause of their pain.
Conversations tend to go like: “Well, my doctor told me I had arthritis.” “OK, when did the pain start?” “Let me see, oh, about six months ago.” “Right, how did your doctor know it was arthritis?” “Well, he did an X-ray and it showed on it.” “Let me ask you something, if I did an X-ray one year ago when you had no pain, would it show arthritis?”

Arthritis can be painful. People have neck pains. Their X-rays show arthritis. So they must have arthritis causing their pain. I love medicine when it is simple.

I am a Fellow of the Society of Orthopaedic Medicine. I have taught the principles of orthopaedic medicine to many doctors and physiotherapists. Until I did the course, I have to say my understanding of any form of spinal pain was pathetic, despite having had an interest in orthopaedics as an undergraduate and actually doing six months as a casualty officer. This was fine for acute injuries, but not for chronic joint pains. Back pains were dismissed out the door unless they were in danger of incontinence. “Referred to GP” was the order of the day. Pain control was a matter of changing one anti-inflammatory for another.

However, don’t worry, help is at hand. The Society of Orthopaedic Medicine holds regular courses to teach doctors. Look up for more information.

So, the courses in orthopaedic medicine led to numerous Eureka moments as things I had dismissed were suddenly seen in a new light. Many doctors happily refer patients to physiotherapists and dismiss others as quacks, but how many of us actually know what a physiotherapist does? Is it “heat, light and hope”? What difference does it make when a patient is referred to a manipulative physiotherapist? What are they manipulating? Why do these misalignments not show on X-rays? Or maybe they are simply not reported.

I had an experience of a patient referred for a back X-ray. The doctor wanted the X-ray done when the patient was standing. The hospital insisted on the patient lying down. Nothing showed. The patient was referred to another hospital where the X-ray was taken while standing. The report showed a slight scoliosis. Only later, when the X-ray was looked at by a chiropractor, was the shortened leg noted, which resulted in a significant improvement in back pain when corrected. For the last six months or more I have had the opportunity of seeing a chiropractor working in my surgery. I have seen many cases of people actually getting better, and some cases of chronic back pain resolved. I have also seen some people feeling temporarily worse and abandon treatment. At least that would never happen with doctors!

I have seen cases of short leg being treated, which has led to an improvement in migraine. I have one patient with anal and groin pain, who spent a fortune going from one specialist to another, having scans which showed nothing, only to have a significant improvement following chiropractic treatment. I have seen people with limited rotation of their necks improve after several treatments. Another lady had ongoing chronic posterior chest pain which again improved after several treatments.

Earlier this year, RTÉ broadcast a television programme questioning chiropractic treatments. Chiropractors were blamed for causing strokes following neck manipulations. Physiotherapists also use neck manipulations. Unfortunately the programme did not ask what treatment doctors use to prevent chronic back pain.

As doctors, our one tool is painkillers. Are they as safe as chiropractic treatment? Thousands of people die every year world-wide from the side effects of NSAIDs. Thousands do benefit from manipulative therapy, whether applied by a physiotherapist or a chiropractor.

I have found the one big difference between chiropractors and physiotherapists is the chiropractic treatment is quick, simple, and repeated on a frequent basis. They can tell a significant amount by palpation of the spine. They use a language which is aimed at simplifying things for the patient. When we hear it third-hand we instantly dismiss it as nonsense and more like sales talk.

Chiropractors can do a lot of good. Their treatments are not scientifically proven. They do not have to be to generate the business that they do.

Spinal pain causes a lot of pain and misery. It also costs us a lot of money. For too long we have been instantly dismissive of chiropractors based on a number of poor communicators. There is a huge need for their treatments, evidenced by the failure of doctors to control spinal pain. We need to start talking to them to see if we can co-operate and get patients better. Both of us may learn something.


Dr Alan Moran is a GP in Drogheda

LegacyUser

'Hope it's not too late to reply - i fell about one month ago. Didn't do anything about it because i thought the pain would go away by itself - it didn't. I went to see an osteopath last wednesday. Thought he was full of bulls**T. Yesterday i woke up and the pain was almost gone, today, it's better again - amazing - will definatley go back to see him. He is based in Artane

good luck :-)'

PeadarofAodh

Paul Tansey in Friarsland gym, Clonskeagh. I went to him about 2 years ago twice and I've never had back problems since which is pretty amazing seeing as I'm 6ft 5 and row 5 times a week!

InFront

N8 wrote:

Best always seeing someone qualified. For a qualified chiropractor contact the Chiropractic Association Of Ireland www.chiropractic.ie

On their website you can find a chiropractor in your area.

Unfortunately there is no regulation for chiropractic in Ireland much like physiotherapy so anyone can as Infront states call themselves a chiropractor, unfortunately it also means they can and do call themselves physios too...

Indeed, but lets make it clear that what is meant here is a chartered physiotherapist, which only qualified persons may call themselves.

Lets also make it clear that all physiotherapists are answerable to the Physiotherapists' Registration Board, with whom they must, under legislation, be registered in order to practice.
The difference is that there is no such statutory regulation state body in place with chiropractors. They are not regulated.

It is accurate to say that chiropractors are considered doctors only of complementary medicine, and should only be used, at most, in conjunction with the professional medic, be that a Ch.Physio. or a Doctor.

I think this sentence describes the situation best:

Their treatments are not scientifically proven. They do not have to be to generate the business that they do.

All I'm saying is that people should be careful when it comes to what they read about chiropractic from the net. It's an individual's choice (obviously) but they should make themselves aware of what chiropractic actually is and the kind of reputation it has.
So don't take this thread's word for it or believe what you read here: have a chat with your GP and see what he thinks about chiropractic.

N8

InFront wrote:

Indeed, but lets make it clear that what is meant here is a chartered physiotherapist, which only qualified persons may call themselves.

Physiotherapists have a charter that as I understand it is correct but anyone can call themselves a physiotherapist and do.

InFront wrote:

Lets also make it clear that all physiotherapists are answerable to the Physiotherapists' Registration Board, with whom they must, under legislation, be registered in order to practice.

Huh – physiotherapy is state regulated? They are not. They are in line for statutory regulation within the first tranche of the Allied and Social Health Care Professionals Act 2005.

The Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 provides for the establishment of a fitness to practice structure to deal with complaints and other disciplinary matters.

As I undersdtand this has not yet been set up. Maybe you can tell me different.

InFront wrote:

It is accurate to say that chiropractors are considered doctors only of complementary medicine, and should only be used, at most, in conjunction with the professional medic, be that a Ch.Physio. or a Doctor.

Huh?!

Eh last year, the World Health Organisation (W.H.O.) released guidelines on basic training and safety of chiropractic for governmental referral. W.H.O.’s guidelines indicated that a medical graduate world require minimum of 1800 hours including 1000 hours of supervised clinical training on top of their medical training to be a competent chiropractic practitioner.

Further than this a chiropractor is trained to be a primary health care practitioner, a physiotherapist, although well trained and up there, is not – they are therapists. This is not to say chiropractors and physios do the same job - they do not but work well together in a multidisciplinary approach.

I think this sentence describes the situation best:
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Their treatments are not scientifically proven. They do not have to be to generate the business that they do.

Fortunately they are. Chiropractic has been extensively researched in some of the most respected Index Medicus Journals in the world and continues to be so. These studies must then stand up to the same criteria as all other research to get published. The most recent of which, the UK BEAM Trial findings published on BMJ online November 19th 2004 clearly demonstrated that spinal manipulation, as practised by chiropractors, is a cost effective treatment for back pain and compares favourably with GP ‘best practice’. Back pain is widespread and is costly in terms of suffering and national resources – it is one of the most common ailments treated by GPs. Yet referrals are not forthcoming and indeed often actively the opposite is happening.

Personally I would be pissed off taking medication for a problem that a chiropractor could help with or being subject to surgery (failed low back surgery or successful) when chiropractic care would have been successful and in comparison relatively risk free.

Indeed people are beginning to sue for such.

InFront wrote:

All I'm saying is that people should be careful when it comes to what they read about chiropractic from the net. It's an individual's choice (obviously) but they should make themselves aware of what chiropractic actually is and the kind of reputation it has.

So don't take this thread's word for it or believe what you read here: have a chat with your GP and see what he thinks about chiropractic.

I agree about the net best ask a professional whom you trust.

Unfortunately as per the GP letter above, most GPs won’t know anything about chiropractic never mind their local chiropractor… Presently, a minuscule number of chiropractors in Ireland receive referrals from GPs. Most would find their clientele are actively advised by medical professionals not to continue with chiropractic care, often on spurious grounds, leaving them open to a medical council complaint.

Given that a GP, with few exceptions, lacks the education, training and experience to determine indications and contra indications to chiropractic care, this advice more often than not, is not in the patient’s best interest and would leave a GP legally vulnerable.. Catch 22


Best advice: Contact the Chiropractic Association Of Ireland speak to a chiropractor there and put your questions: any of them and all of them to him or her and receive an informed answer from someone not in your area and without a vested interest.