Ye old min raise

ianmc38

Everyone on boards is constantly slating the minraise saying never do it etc etc. On 2+2, alot of the top posters in HSNL and MSNL use the minraise regularly.

So are they all incorrect when they advocate the use of the minraise?

El Stuntman

ianmc38 wrote:

Everyone on boards is constantly slating the minraise saying never do it etc etc. On 2+2, alot of the top posters in HSNL and MSNL use the minraise regularly.

So are they all incorrect when they advocate the use of the minraise?

no, it can be genius

valor

can you post some links to threads where top posters advocate such

Lafortezza

Depends very much on the flow of the game. Seems to be more used in headsup/SH games, zero use in usual 6max or full ring games unless it's for a very specific reason.
I've used it a few times in PLO when I've got the nuts+freeroll when I think Villain has just the bare nuts and he's not the brightest.

Any 2+2 examples?

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

It depends on what circumstances, but I'm sure there are times when a min-raise can be effective. Equally there are times when it should never be done. e.g. Pre-Flop, deep.

eoghan104

I personally hate it..... but will always call a min raise when in the big blind coz it pisses me off so much i just want to beat the guy.........

.......... hang on maybe thats why its effective coz of dopes like me!!!!!1

Daithio

I don't like using it very often, but I think it's pretty bad to rule out a certain play as a whole. Of course there are situations where it is relevant. Say in a tournament where you want to nick a short (ish) stack's BB with rags. A min raise is often the only raise that doesn't committ you to calling if he pushes, and it can look very strong from early/ middle position. The blinds need to be quite big relative to stacks for it to look strong and to ensure that you don't get a load of people coming in with small pp's / suited connectors behind you.

I like it in cash games if I have certain hands that I don't want to get committed to, but wouldn't mind building the pot slightly with. Small pocket pairs, suited connectors etc. But I wouldn't use it too often at all.

There are a few other times it can work, mainly against weak/ paranoid players who will perceive it as strength without realising that it is the only raise you can make without committing yourself. This sort of use of it will be picked up by a decent player fairly quickly though.

So, I think there are times and places for it, but you have to mix it up. I wouldn't use it very often, but I think it's bad to rule any play out altogether.

ianmc38

valor wrote:

can you post some links to threads where top posters advocate such

I have definitely seen it posted by RBK, El Diablo, Grimstarr and others on several occasions. I might have a quick look to find a few posts, but I actually have work to do today for a change as everyone else is away on holidays.

ianmc38

Daithio wrote:

So, I think there are times and places for it, but you have to mix it up. I wouldn't use it very often, but I think it's bad to rule any play out altogether.

Thats exactly what I think too!

Hectorjelly

While I wouldnt rule it out completely, I cant remember a time when Ive seen it used properly, either when playing or for a hand thats been posted here. Ususally its a big mistake.

Preflop I would never do it, and whilst its not the end of the world its not a good habit to get into.

2 good examples ive seen in the last few months, halibut was playing 10 20 or 20 40, he raises preflop fish calls. Flop is Jxx, check bet, turn x, check bet, river x fish bets 1/3 of pot or something, halibut min raises with QQ fish calls and loses. Now theres a lot of details that needs to be right for that play to work and it wouldnt be good normally, but in that spot it was perfect.

I was playing 12 before xmas, I get AA utg and make it 10. 3 callers behind me and the sb who was really aggro makes it 40. I make it 80. I dont really mind announcing my hand here as I only have 200 so anyone calling the 70 is already making a huge mistake, and the aggro guy wont slow down.

bops

it can be a very effective post flop counter semi-bluff imo

lol - do i ever make any sense??

EDIT:
example

5/10 6 handed 500 stacks no reads

UTG+1 raises to 35
you call on button

flop J 9 6 r (85)
he bets 45
you raise to 90

he folds AQ
your AT / 33 etc is good!

bad play?
at least you find out relatively cheap where you stand?

Mr.Plough

Hectorjelly wrote:

While I wouldnt rule it out completely, I cant remember a time when Ive seen it used properly, either when playing or for a hand thats been posted here. Ususally its a big mistake.

Preflop I would never do it, and whilst its not the end of the world its not a good habit to get into.

2 good examples ive seen in the last few months, halibut was playing 10 20 or 20 40, he raises preflop fish calls. Flop is Jxx, check bet, turn x, check bet, river x fish bets 1/3 of pot or something, halibut min raises with QQ fish calls and loses. Now theres a lot of details that needs to be right for that play to work and it wouldnt be good normally, but in that spot it was perfect.

I was playing 12 before xmas, I get AA utg and make it 10. 3 callers behind me and the sb who was really aggro makes it 40. I make it 80. I dont really mind announcing my hand here as I only have 200 so anyone calling the 70 is already making a huge mistake, and the aggro guy wont slow down.

there are fish at 10 20 & 20 40?

redzerdrog

I am playing a MTT on party atm and evry raise pre-flop is a min-raise.
I have cracked aces twice with 9 5 and 4 5

jimbling

Mr.Plough wrote:

there are fish at 10 20 & 20 40?

of course...... fish is a relative term.