Whats my line? Omaha Hi/Lo

ligger

Comments on all streets welcome

Background. I had just double up 3 hands earlier and as always its a limping fest at the table most of the time.

Lake Champlain 10475310-10401 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit $0.10/$0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Hand Start.
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Seat 1 : GreySeal has $18.99
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Seat 2 : Ligger has $37.62
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Seat 4 : johndb100 has $13.94
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Seat 5 : Pouletas has $9.88
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Seat 6 : pearldiver2 has $35.21
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Seat 7 : five card has $1.10
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : Seat 9 : R8DERNATION has $24.16
[Jan 30 20:29:40] : R8DERNATION is the dealer.
[Jan 30 20:29:41] : Ligger posted small blind.
[Jan 30 20:29:42] : johndb100 posted big blind.
[Jan 30 20:29:42] : Game [10401] started with 6 players.
[Jan 30 20:29:42] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jan 30 20:29:42] : Seat 2 : Ligger has As 9h 8d Ah
[Jan 30 20:29:45] : Pouletas called $0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:47] : pearldiver2 called $0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:24] : five card called $0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:24] : R8DERNATION called $0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:27] : Ligger called $0.10
[Jan 30 20:29:30] : johndb100 checked.
[Jan 30 20:29:30] : Dealing flop.
[Jan 30 20:29:30] : Board cards [4s Ac 4h]
[Jan 30 20:29:33] : Ligger checked.
[Jan 30 20:29:38] : johndb100 bet $0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:41] : Pouletas called $0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:43] : pearldiver2 folded.
[Jan 30 20:29:44] : five card called $0.20
[Jan 30 20:29:45] : R8DERNATION folded.
[Jan 30 20:29:54] : Ligger called $0.20 and raised $2
[Jan 30 20:29:59] : johndb100 called $2
[Jan 30 20:29:59] : Pouletas folded.
[Jan 30 20:30:02] : five card called $0.70 and is All-in
[Jan 30 20:30:03] : Dealing turn.
[Jan 30 20:30:03] : Board cards [4s Ac 4h 5c]
[Jan 30 20:30:15] : Ligger bet $4
[Jan 30 20:30:17] : johndb100 called $4
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : Dealing river.
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : Board cards [4s Ac 4h 5c Kc]
[Jan 30 20:30:15] : Ligger bet $8
[Jan 30 20:30:15] : johndb100 called $7.54 and is All-in
[Jan 30 20:30:16] : Showdown!
[Jan 30 20:30:16] : Seat 2 : Ligger has As 9h 8d Ah
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : Seat 2 : Ligger has As 9h 8d Ah
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : L1gger has high hand : Full House : Aces full of 4s
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : Seat 4 : johndb100 has 4c 6d 5d 6h
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : johndb100 has Full House : 4s full of 5s
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : L1gger wins $24.40 with high hand : Full House : Aces full of 4s
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : Seat 2 : L1gger has As 9h 8d Ah
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : L1gger has high hand : Full House : Aces full of 4s
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : Seat 4 : johndb100 has 4c 6d 5d 6h
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : johndb100 has Full House : 4s full of 5s
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : Seat 7 : five card has 9d 9s Qc 3d
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : five card has Two Pair: 9s and 4s
[Jan 30 20:30:18] : L1gger wins $3.90 with high hand : Full House : Aces full of 4s
[Jan 30 20:30:33] : Hand is over.

Just dipping my toe into HI LO. and don't want results based thinking to give me the idea that I know what I am doing. Not very often I scoop here, so how often do I lose it all?

RoundTower

I think you're drawing pretty live against 99Q3 there, I think you played it well and don't really see what the question is. By betting the river you will quite often either fold out a chop or get a call from a worse high hand, and you have a full house of aces so you pretty much never lose it all.

Marq

Pre-flop: I like the flat call OOP. Your hand is rubbish, with very little scooping potential, so there's no point in bloating the pot here.

Flop: You MUST bet this flop. You undoubtedly have the best hand right now (unless very unlucky) and are unlikely to get sucked out on for the Hi, but why give the low draws a possible free card to chop the pot with you. As I said, your hand had very little low potential PF, now it has virtually none if a low card arrives, so charge those low draws to split the pot with you. If you're lucky the lows call and someone with a four raises and five of you get it in on the flop with you almost freerolling.

Betting out is far better than checkraising here without question.

Turn: I like the pretty weak lead as now that there's a low on board you want as many people in the pot as possible (I know you're headsup now, so this doesn't matter, but had you led the flop there would probably be more people still in the hand). If there were a few players in the hand this would be great spot for a weak lead as 23 (Nut low draw) has just made a wheel and will be looking to pump.

River: Bet to hopefully get rid of a crappy low/get called by second best high (as it turned out)

As a general rule of thumb in Hi-Lo you should never, ever slow play flopped Hi monsters, make the low draws pay for the privilege of drawing to split the pot. Always bet out with quads and overfulls if there is two to a low on board.

ligger

Marq,

Thanks for that. Was happy to limp in as had a sh1tty low hand. Just was worried about Quad 4s with the fact of all limping. Suppose I should have not been to concern really on this. Don't think I am scooping very often and figured he must have a better lo hand than me on the river. Still trying to get the hang of this game but find people are happy to stick there stack in with non nut hands on a regular basis, I'm just trying to avoid being one of them.:D

ianmc38

I would always lead the flop as at those stakes everyone with 23 or a 4 will come along for a full pot size bet, meaning you get lots of dead money in there....

RoundTower

I think checking the flop is fine if there is a decent chance of someone betting, I would hate checkraising this flop in PLO high but here I think it won't kill your action and has a good chance of getting a lot of money into the pot.

ianmc38

RoundTower wrote:

I think checking the flop is fine if there is a decent chance of someone betting, I would hate checkraising this flop in PLO high but here I think it won't kill your action and has a good chance of getting a lot of money into the pot.

I do agree with you for the same reason, that all 4xxx and 23xx hands (sometimes worse) will all come along.

Marq

234x raises this flop, so I think the lead is better than the check-raise. You have to be 90% sure that someone in Early Position will bet, as there's no point in checkraising if if's going to knock out all the weak hands in the middle.

Lplate

Hi Ligger. During my current "holiday" from holdem, I've been trying out this game also. You might find this link useful http://www.o8poker.com/. It's written by Gergery from 2+2, who seems to be a good authority on the game. It's a good guide to getting started.
As for the hand you posted, you're desperately unlucky if someone has 44 here and I agree with the advice already posted that it's correct to jam to make the low draws pay. The results of the hand show just what people will go to the river with in this game.

ligger

Cheers for that Lplate, I'll take a look at that site.

RoundTower

Marq wrote:

234x raises this flop, so I think the lead is better than the check-raise. You have to be 90% sure that someone in Early Position will bet, as there's no point in checkraising if if's going to knock out all the weak hands in the middle.

People at low limits don't like to raise without the nuts ever, they will make a bet to see where they are at and then call down. Also getting the pot heads up isn't a disaster, you hugely increase your chance of scooping.

ianmc38

I thought this article was very good:

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue24/Jerome1206.html