Folding AK pre flop

Backstreet Moyes

I folded Ak pre flop tonight after i raised and another player pushed all in. Their were 12 left and we were both chip leaders i was 35k he was 50k average around 12k and blind 500/1000 i raise too 3.5k utg and he pushes all in next too act. is their ever any justification for folding in this spot. I know my hand crushes his range or we are racing so i should call . But i also know i think i won about 1 all in against him in a 3 months this was my main reasining for folding . Im just wondering should you be ever be folding the hand for that reason. I tend too try avoid being all in against certain players becasue they dont lose all ins. Is that a very bad strategy or foolish .

opr

Nuts102 wrote:

I folded Ak pre flop tonight after i raised and another player pushed all in. Their were 12 left and we were both chip leaders i was 35k he was 50k average around 12k and blind 500/1000 i raise too 3.5k utg and he pushes all in next too act. is their ever any justification for folding in this spot. I know my hand crushes his range or we are racing so i should call . But i also know i think i won about 1 all in against him in a 3 months this was my main reasining for folding . Im just wondering should you be ever be folding the hand for that reason. I tend too try avoid being all in against certain players becasue they dont lose all ins. Is that a very bad strategy or foolish .

If aces and kings were coming out on the flop alot that night i call.

Oh and clubs tend too come out alot so i call if it was AK of clubs.

Opr

RoadSweeper

I think you will get mixed reactions here, but i would fold. Your fairly deep in chips and can find a better spot to get your chips in.

kakak1

who were you up against

Mr. Flibble

No problem folding there. You have nothing crushed with AK and seem like are in a decent position tourny wise, no need to throw it away where you are slightly behind a pair of twos. Is it all that likely he's practically putting his tourny life on the line vs an UTG deep stack raiser with the likes of AJ?

cardshark202

You should definitely call given you think you crush his range.

nicnicnic

AK is quite foldable in this situtation but if you had that cowboy hand your always trying to fold its an auto call

BobSloane

I would usually fold it. His move is legitimate with 77 and much less legitimate with AQ. You're probably hoping for the bad end of a coinflip and could be in an AA or KK situation. It would depend a bit on how ye had been reacting to one another at the table too and who was the biggest bully of the other smaller stacks. If ye were staying out of each others way up to this point i would definately fold. You still have over 2 1/2 times average chip count.

Shadowless

Does taking the coin-flip not put us in a great spot to win the tourney? (if we win)

Edit: Mr Flibble = Smartass!

Mr. Flibble

Shadowless wrote:

Does taking the coin-flip not put us in a great spot to win the tourney?

Not if we lose.

fixer

no problem with the fols, but get the voodoo reasoning out of your head. Fold because it's the play you want, not cause you never win with that hand or he never loses races tonight, etc. Leave that for the hippies and mediums who talk to the faeries.

cardshark202

I would call here especially given your description. There are actually very few scenarios where its ok to fold AK preflop in a tournament. This isn't one of them.

lazlo

it really depends on your knowledge of this particular opponent. Usually I fold... but if the player has a chequered past of making steals or questionable plays I might just call

fobster

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Not if we lose.

In the words of 50 cent, get rich or die trying.

But I suppose given your fairly comfortable position compared to the majority of other stacks they should be the ones taking risks not you.

Definitely a tough spot. And folding because your opponent always wins all-ins is foolish, variance can swing just when you need it to.

I would call, a double up this late on is too tempting.

mdwexford

31,500 to win 40,000, probably a race and a chance hes making a play and you could have him dominated. if you win the pot your in a great position to take it down. personally i call but a fold is ok.

insafehands

In a SnG about 30 minutes ago, first hand, I get AK suited. Starting stack of 1500 and I raise to 1000... Guy re-raises AI. I call obviously, and what does he have but red aces.

So I'm going to agree with your decision here!

fobster

insafehands wrote:

In a SnG about 30 minutes ago, first hand, I get AK suited. Starting stack of 1500 and I raise to 1000... Guy re-raises AI. I call obviously, and what does he have but red aces.

So I'm going to agree with your decision here!

What were the blinds? That's just plain mad if it was the first hand, let alone any hand. If you put in a raise 2/3 of your stack, you might as well shove the lot in pre-flop and save yourself the trouble.

LuckyLloyd

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Iago

insafehands wrote:

In a SnG about 30 minutes ago, first hand, I get AK suited. Starting stack of 1500 and I raise to 1000... Guy re-raises AI. I call obviously, and what does he have but red aces.

So I'm going to agree with your decision here!

Two scenarios that would struggle to be any more different!

OP a fold is ok, but I would probably call here and take the coin flip. At worst you're up against KK but I reckon he has AK or QQ-JJ. Go deep or go home, a win here should make it difficult for you not to finish in the top 1-3, with the emphasis on 1st.

Backstreet Moyes

It was against Fox , Dave.

kakak1

Nuts102 wrote:

It was against Fox , Dave.

that luckbox, sure you'd have to fold

Your decision was really a 50/50. If you're a gambler you'll call, if you're a card player you'll wait for a better chance. Foxes range is from 7 2 os to AA, he'd be more inclined to go all in though on th 7 2.

Was talking to him today, he won it last night. Where did you finish.

I hope to make a comeback tonight (Fri).

CoD

never fold AK especially offsuit, then you got twice the chances of making a flush

Hitman Actual

kakak1 wrote:

that luckbox, sure you'd have to fold

Your decision was really a 50/50. If you're a gambler you'll call, if you're a card player you'll wait for a better chance. Foxes range is from 7 2 os to AA, he'd be more inclined to go all in though on th 7 2.

:eek: If his range is that wide, then the "card player" will be calling!

Iago

kakak1 wrote:

If you're a gambler you'll call, if you're a card player you'll wait for a better chance. Foxes range is from 7 2 os to AA, he'd be more inclined to go all in though on th 7 2.

if you're a card player with that scenario you'll call every time and do a jig while you're doing it!

I know you're exaggerating for effect, but I believe we are very rarely worse than 52/48 here and reasonably often better priced than that.

Ste05

Nuts102 wrote:

Im just wondering should you be ever be folding the hand for that reason. I tend too try avoid being all in against certain players becasue they dont lose all ins. Is that a very bad strategy or foolish.

Yes this is an absolutely terrible strategy and is foolish. In fact it's not even a strategy at all, it's just superstition. Would you refuse to walk under a ladder to pick up a €100 note that's on the other side if there was no other way to get to it?? [If you had a fear of ladders and were a 2" dwarf who couldn't find a way over obviously!!]

If you crush his range you should be calling everyday. Whether or not you actually are crushing his range is another thing, but you were there and you need to trust your reads.

cardshark202

kakak1 wrote:

Your decision was really a 50/50. If you're a gambler you'll call, if you're a card player you'll wait for a better chance. Foxes range is from 7 2 os to AA, he'd be more inclined to go all in though on th 7 2.

I hope for all concerned that this is a joke.

Backstreet Moyes

Originally Posted by kakak1
that luckbox, sure you'd have to fold

Your decision was really a 50/50. If you're a gambler you'll call, if you're a card player you'll wait for a better chance. Foxes range is from 7 2 os to AA, he'd be more inclined to go all in though on th 7 2.

Was talking to him today, he won it last night. Where did you finish.

I hope to make a comeback tonight (Fri).

I actually came 11th i pushed with 99 and Fox called wit AQ i didnt even have too look at the flop i just left lol. I wont be up their tonight il be their tomorrow too bury the cork fella from waterford

BigCityBanker

If you say that in general you crush his range then this is an easy call. Otherwise you are a weak player. Grow a pair of balls. Does he really do this with AA or KK? If so then he is a terrible player also.

Gholimoli

All you saying this is a call are insane.
Sure if you take odds, and math in to consideration you may have a clear call here but
If you look at the way the flops have been coming …
OP also said he does not ever win all ins against villain so it does not matter who has the stronger hand range here.
But above all you must consider you TL (tourney life) .
Being all in against a stack that covers you which you also have a bad record against is deffo a bad play.
All of you suggesting a call are obviously gamblers and I only saw a few card players amongst you suggesting a fold and waiting for a better spot.

ntlbell

Gholimoli

ntlbell wrote:

god i missed them.
LMAO.

cardshark202

Gholimoli wrote:

All you saying this is a call are insane.
Sure if you take odds, and math in to consideration you may have a clear call here but
If you look at the way the flops have been coming …
OP also said he does not ever win all ins against villain so it does not matter who has the stronger hand range here.
But above all you must consider you TL (tourney life) .
Being all in against a stack that covers you which you also have a bad record against is deffo a bad play.
All of you suggesting a call are obviously gamblers and I only saw a few card players amongst you suggesting a fold and waiting for a better spot.

Exactly. This is what I've been saying using reverse psychology. Good points.

opr

Gholimoli wrote:

All you saying this is a call are insane.
Sure if you take odds, and math in to consideration you may have a clear call here but
If you look at the way the flops have been coming …
OP also said he does not ever win all ins against villain so it does not matter who has the stronger hand range here.
But above all you must consider you TL (tourney life) .
Being all in against a stack that covers you which you also have a bad record against is deffo a bad play.
All of you suggesting a call are obviously gamblers and I only saw a few card players amongst you suggesting a fold and waiting for a better spot.

These are all great points which i made in the first reply to this thread no one ever listens to me.

Opr

nicnicnic

Nuts102 wrote:

It was against Fox ,

Auto call

Marq

insafehands wrote:

In a SnG about 30 minutes ago, first hand, I get AK suited. Starting stack of 1500 and I raise to 1000... Guy re-raises AI. I call obviously, and what does he have but red aces.

So I'm going to agree with your decision here!

Such is the danger of the 50xBB openraise.

Wreck

Gholimoli wrote:

All you saying this is a call are insane.
Sure if you take odds, and math in to consideration you may have a clear call here but
If you look at the way the flops have been coming …
OP also said he does not ever win all ins against villain so it does not matter who has the stronger hand range here.
But above all you must consider you TL (tourney life) .
Being all in against a stack that covers you which you also have a bad record against is deffo a bad play.
All of you suggesting a call are obviously gamblers and I only saw a few card players amongst you suggesting a fold and waiting for a better spot.

Is this sarcasm? Please say yes.