First really powerful spiritual experience

ladybirdirl

Evening all,

Just before Xmas I had this experience that I thought would be interesting to share with you guys to see what you think. Now before I start I will clearly state that I don't know all the right terms (all the clairvoyance etc etc) so bear with me

I'd been doing this class in tarot reading.We decided to do a meditation and then step into the major cards and see could we get a personal message from any card.

Now I'm not great at meditating - in fact I'm really awful at it usually. When everyone is in the lovely green field, I've usually hopped the gate,crossed the river,run down the hill and am hitching a lift home:rolleyes: I'm a bit too fidgety for it(or so I'm told by mr right)

Anyway I do the meditation and I'm feeling quite relaxed and we start doing the cards - imagining them getting bigger until we can step into them and looking around etc etc. We go through the empress,the high priestess and a few others with nothing doing and I'm getting cheesed off to say the least

Next we come to the devil card. For those of you not familiar with the RW deck - the devil card is very black. The devil sits on a concrete tower thing and he has a male and female chainged to the tower but they're looking out.

So the teacher says 'be careful here don't get lost in the blackness'
Off I go into the card and I can really see and sense the blackness all around. The teacher is talking to keep us sort of grounded. Being the brazen madam that I am I went up and could see myself facing the devil - the boy&girl were grabbing my hands trying to pull me in. I could hear myself saying ' have you got a message for me'

With that I could see and defintely feel this enormous powerful hand press against my forehead and send me flying out of the card. I could literally feel myself thrown back onto the couch. This all happened in seconds, the teacher was just starting to say 'step back out of the card' and I was on the couch again.

SO a few questions

a) would this be counted as a true paranormal/spiritual experience

b) how come it would happen to someone such as myself - I wouldnt' consider myself anyway 'intune' to spirits/entities etc

c)anyone had anything similiar

Apologies if this should be in the spiritual forum but I couldn't decide which was more appropiate. The only other time I experienced anything like this was in Ross on a paranormal trip so I equate the 2 experiences as similiar

Thoughts anyone

Ladybird:)

stevenmu

This would really fit in either forum, but from the questions you're asking I think it's more appropriate in here. In somethin glike this I'd think of spirituality as more of a "what's the signifigance of this" and paranormal as a "what is this" forum, and your questions seem to be more of "what is this" type.

For those who don't know I presume this is the card you're talking about.



As for your questions, really only you can decide if it's a true spiritual/paranormal experience. It certainly sounds like one from the way you describe it. As for why it happened to you, you say that you aren't really in tune with your spiritual side, but maybe you are more than you think. You are a rational person, which is clear from how you're looking at this experience, is it possible that you have and do experience more than you think, but just rationalise it away ? You also mention experiences at Ross castle, could there be more too that you don't fully acknowledge ? From how you describe it anyway, and the fact that you tend to rationalise it, it does sound to me like a true paranormal experience. I don't know a whole lot about tarot cards though, hopefully someone who does can shed more light on your experience for you.

ladybirdirl

Yup, that's the card alright (thanks for putting that up, I don't know how to insert pics,never believe I was a techie would you)

Anyway, I get your point about only me can decide etc etc but why if it was paranormal would it happen to someone who is not that in tune with that stuff?

I mean I would expect that this sort of things would happen to some of the regular posters here 6th,KatieK,Kshiel,Aisling even yourself.Why would someone/something as powerful as the devil choose to communicate through a channel(me) that won't recognise the significance of it and as you say will try to rationalise it. Not saying here that I'm not worthy of the devil's communications(jeepers that sounds like a speech for a cult leader), just more curious in that I recognise my limitations in this area and I'm wondering why the inverted pentacle man decided to bum me out of the card

On a positive note I guess I could flatter myself and say he saw some huge inactive 'powah' in me that he knew he couldn't handle but I doubt that, I'm only little

I suppose it all comes back to a big central question - I can choose to see this as my big powerful experience but there's no way to scientifically prove it.........shame that

And another question - do big powerful beings like old nicky odd eyes really communicate with normal people and by normal I mean not powerful wiccas/warlocks/spiritualists/psychics

Ladybird

Aisling&M

Hello there.

I think I mentioned this before but here goes anyway.
I believe that the tarot cards are a method/tool of accessing our own natural psychic ability. I don't really think it was the devil in the card that caused such a strong experience, but rather that you allowed yourself to really be influenced by the card and used the card as a key to your psychic ability. (which you do have to a strong extent).

Sometimes a card can have completely different meanings depending on who is being read and what stage of their life they are at.

Seeing as this was experienced in the mind frame (correct me if I understood this wrongly) of learning what the card represents for you, I would take the experience you had was in fact a very virtual-reality way of 'labelling' what this card will primarily mean to you when it comes up in a reading.

How did you feel when you approached the Devil? Did it feel like a challenge or an adventure? Were you oppressed or aided by the people holding onto you?
Did you feel comfortable? confident? nervous? anxious? defiant?

When you ask yourself how you felt in this 'vision' I think you will find a very powerful tool in the cards. They seem to like you.

I would say that this is the best way to learn what the cards mean to you. Much more memorable and truthful than reading a book about their meanings.

Hope this helps,

-Aisling

kshiel

Hi Lardybird, While I wouldn't have the wealth of knowledge on tarot cards as Ashling does, I do agree with her in that these cards are a tool used to access your own psychic abilities. I know you have done or doing a course on them so this would indicate to me you are trying to access that ability and may have done so on this occassion. I dont think it was the devil himself though.

The devil as stated can mean various different things depending on the life situation of the person been read and probally the other cards surrounding it. You said you asked him had he got a message for you, so you were condifident enough to walk up and ask. So to me the answer to that question lies with you. How did you feel when you came out, (just before you may have thought to yourself "What the feck was that"). To me a lot of the emotional feelings and images combined give them the meaning in a given situation.

Dont know if that helps, or left you more confused

Stoner

Aisling&M wrote:

but rather that you allowed yourself to really be influenced by the card and used the card as a key to your psychic ability. (which you do have to a strong extent).
-Aisling

Aisling are you able to tell / pick up things about people by reading what they type here? I can't remember the posts but I have noticed you saying stuff like this before, are you basing your statement that ladybird has a strong psychic ability on what she has typed or on what you can pick up from what she has typed ? (maybe you know ladybird in person?)

Sounds like a freaky experience Ladybird, what happened next, did you "walk" into the next card or did you give it a miss?
I know nothing about these cards, I tried to read a book on them about 15 years ago and as a result i know even less, it’s funny though that when I think of the cards I always kind of zone in on the death/devil ones, in fact I'd say most people would recognise these cards and none of the others, and would also be wary of them.

ladybirdirl

Guys,

Thanks for all the input.

Ash,Kshiel - I was bloody terrified when I came out of the card.

It was weird, up to then I couldn't tune into the cards at all except for the Empress one. In that I thought she gave me a hug(which is odd as I can't decide if I like the look of that card)

Yes it was a fabulous way to get to know the card and I suppose I was fairly defiant going into it but I can't help feeling that it was the 'devil' who bummed me out.

I wasn't particularly stressed or worried about anything and the warning we had gotten about getting lost didn't really faze me (going on investigations sort of cures of you of the fear of the dark)

I just felt that it was in fact the devil or some spirit of some description who definetly did not want me around. Now I wouldn't say it was because he thought I was such a strong positive force, I mean I am generally positive by nature but I wouldnt' consider myself a powerful goddess or anything. I just felt it was more than just the card. Ash I know exactly what you mean about the cards being a tool and 100% agree but it was so personal as to go beyond just being a tool if you know what I mean. Hence my interest in 'grounding' this experience as a) I don't want to get ahead of myself on the journey with the cards and the spirituality aspect and b) wanted to see if it's an occurence others have had

Stoner - gave the rest of the cards a miss definetly, I had to go have a cuppa and a sticky bun & discuss it with the group. The most bizzare aspect is I know how everyone says they are wary of tarot cards but I really don't get that at all- as Aisling quite rightly says they are a tool only

If I try it again I'll let you all know ok

Ladybird

Stoner

ladybirdirl wrote:

Guys,

gave the rest of the cards a miss definetly, I had to go have a cuppa and a sticky bun & discuss it with the group.
Ladybird

I think I'd have to vist to shower too if that happened to me, sticky buns indeed:D

is this part of your developemnt circle , or are you doing this on top of that? I've seen standard evening classes on tarot reading at local schools before, I wondered what they were like. Hope it goes well for you, sounds like you are getting a big reaction from it anyway.

kshiel

Are you sure it was the presence you felt that pushed you out or could it have been you. I know sometimes if I get a good enough scare I will sort of jolt myself out of the situation before I even know I have done it.

Aisling&M

Stoner.....I've met Ladybird once and that's when i felt she had a very strong psychic ability.

I'd say trust your instincts ladybird.........without being there I can't say much more than what I said above. One possibility is that indeed that card could represent an 'unwelcoming presence'. Not necessarily one that was in the card but that the card, when put into a reading situation could show you that there is a hostile? presence in the life of the person being read. But I wouldn't want to influence you too much just give ideas in case any of them sit right with you.

ladybirdirl

Evening all,

Thanks for the input.

Stoner - yes I've been doing classes on top of the dev circle and I thought this supplemented it so I went with that. I know the girl who teaches so I went with her

Kshiel - I do get what you're saying and I would normally agree but I was so defiant going into the card that if it was myself that pushed me out then it was done without my concious choice - that is a possibility, I just felt it was another presence

Asling - you're on the money girl - that's the way I was leaning. I wasn't 'reading' anyone or anything but I was thinking maybe it was a mixture of energy in the room, I know one of the girls wasn't pleased with someone else so maybe it was that.Am definetly going to try it again though!

Will let you know how I get on

Ladybird:D

stevenmu

I've had something in the back of my head since I read this first, and I think I know now what I'm trying to say. Going purely on your posts in this thread, you seem to be hesitant to admit to yourself that you might have an ability (personally I don't like to use the word gift, I don't think anyone can do anything that someone else can't, it's just some people for various reasons use their abilities more than others). Other people have said you do, and you have experienced things for youself (and I'd guess you've possibly experienced more than you've mentioned above), and you are presumably doing a tarot course for some reason, but you still seem to hesitate when it comes to believing. Is it possible your experience was more internal than external, to interpret it more as a dream than an external spirit it could be seen that the devil represented your hesitancy to accept your ability, you being strong and not intimidated could signify that you are nearly ready to begin accepting your ability ?

ladybirdirl

Hey MR mu,

I've just one thing to say - huh? explain that again please

Ladybird

stevenmu

It's not the first time I've confused someone, or myself, with what I'm trying to say

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if it's possible that your experience was meant as a message to you. You seem to almost, but not quite, accept that you may have paranormal abilities, and maybe this was a message that you're now ready to accept them ?