54o in the SB

Glowingmind

This hand is from the SE scalps game last night.

I'm in the SB with 45o. Blinds are 75/150.
Player in mid position Makes it 300. 4 callers including myself making the pot 1500.
Flop is 568 rainbow. Preflop raiser shoves it all in for 1050, two folds and it's up to me with the BB left to at. I have approx 3.5k so calling will leave me with 2.5k.
I've already had my rebuy.
Player has just moved to the table and hasn't had his rebuy. I've played with him a couple of times and don't have him on an over pair or a set.

Call/shove to get rid of BB/fold?

bubbleking

fold pf

shoutman

fold preflop fold here.

Terrible call preflop.

opr

The call preflop is fine. Lads the pot is going to be 1500 and its 225 to call ?

Opr

Mellor

fold pre-flop always,
If the villian has anything your beat. 2.5 to 1 to call. Comes down to the villian. Why couldn't he have a PP. Looking at his stack its probably how he'd play it.

Mellor

opr wrote:

The call preflop is fine. Lads the pot is going to be 1500 and its 225 to call ?

Opr

The pot ends up being 1500.
When the SB had the decision the pot was 1125. It was 225 to call. 5/1.
IMO the odds aren't enough to call. You need to flop 2 pair or better as it is defo going in on the flop.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

agree with shoutman should not put out another 225 to call, fold pre flop and defo fold after flop iregardless of circumstances

opr

Mellor wrote:

The pot ends up being 1500.
When the SB had the decision the pot was 1125. It was 225 to call. 5/1.
IMO the odds aren't enough to call. You need to flop 2 pair or better as it is defo going in on the flop.

Yeah sorry only quickly looked thought we were getting closer to 8-1 sneaky OP with his pot is 1500

But saying that the flop is close i mean against a big pair lets say KK we win 34% of the time. Getting 2.5-1 on the flop means we only have to win about 28% of the time. We are really only in bad shape against a set.

Opr

Hectorjelly

definite call after the flop

Mellor

opr wrote:

Yeah sorry only quickly looked thought we were getting closer to 8-1 sneaky OP with his pot is 1500

But saying that the flop is close i mean against a big pair lets say KK we win 34% of the time. Getting 2.5-1 on the flop means we only have to win about 28% of the time. We are really only in bad shape against a set.

Opr

Heads up against KK we have the odds. But against 4 other hands we are in bad shape.


Still unsure about the flop decision. Villian could easily have AK or AQ. But 99, TT, JJ, are possible. Outcome

sikes

Glowingmind wrote:

I've played with him a couple of times and don't have him on an over pair or a set.

easy call so. difficult to see how 8x 6x fits into his min raise range.

i wouldnt be so sure on your read though, you will see overpairs a fair bit. But even if he does have 99+ your getting a very good price ~2/1.

Board: 5s 6d 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.512% 53.25% 01.26% 341604 8100.00 { 54o }
Hand 1: 45.488% 44.23% 01.26% 283716 8100.00 { 99+, AJo+ }

preflop is prob fine theres nothing drastically wrong comminting ~1/16 of your stack getting 5/1 immediate pot odds in a 4 way pot as long as you tank it in these type of situations.

opr

Mellor wrote:

Heads up against KK we have the odds. But against 4 other hands we are in bad shape.


Still unsure about the flop decision. Villian could easily have AK or AQ. But 99, TT, JJ, are possible. Outcome

Two people have already folded. We only have the BB behind us. It doesn't matter what Villian has as long as its not a set we are ok.

If he has Ak or AQ thats great but even if he turns his cards face up and we can see he has 99,TT or JJ you should still call.

Opr

Ste05

PF call is fine. The BB will usually call here too.

Flop: I call.

dacman

id usually fold preflop however calling pre flop here is ok(condidering u may take down a decent pot and ure odds are pretty decent.) When the flop comes the best play i think is to push to drive out the BB as he may have similar holdings to yourself,quite possibly having you beat.Two all ins before him should be enough for him to lay his hand down unless he floped a monster.

Glowingmind

Outcome:

I called and he showed A7o for an openender. A 7 hit and i made my straight to win the pot.
Reasons i ruled out an over pair - if the player in question had 99-AA he's almost always raising more.
With a set or a made straight he's almost always checking the flop.


Preflop call was questionable from my own point of view, as it's a call i wouldn't regularly make.