Charles Darwin would be so proud.

scojones

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/?jp=CWSNCWQLCWOJ wrote:

A 12 year-old boy has died by hanging himself from the ceiling of his house in Turkey, a hospital said today, as family members reportedly said the boy was copying the execution of Saddam Hussein.

Alisen Akti was dead on arrival at a hospital in the south-eastern province of Mus, a hospital official said.

He died of asphyxiation after apparently hanging himself, the official said.

Radikal newspaper quoted the boy’s father as saying that the youngster had been affected by television images of Saddam’s execution.

“What kind of a problem could a 12-year-old have to want to kill himself?” Radikal quoted Esat Akti as saying.


“After watching Saddam’s execution he was constantly asking: ’How was Saddam killed?’ and: ’Did he suffer?”’ Akti said. “These television images are responsible for my son’s death.”

The family could not be reached at their home in the village of Sutluce.

No one was available at the paramilitary police headquarters which is responsible for the area.

Radikal said the boy had hanged himself with a rope he had attached to the ceiling of an empty room in their house.

Bad Parenting if you ask me. They leave a child who keeps asking about someone who was hung, asking if it would hurt, someone obviously mentally affected by what happened... ALONE? Well done.

Rb

sjones wrote:

Bad Parenting if you ask me. They leave a child who keeps asking about someone who was hung, asking if it would hurt, someone obviously mentally affected by what happened... ALONE? Well done.

Lol, they're blaming the television. How original. Wtf were they doing letting the kid watch Saddams execution anyway? As sad and all that it is...

scojones

rb_ie wrote:

Lol, they're blaming the television. How original. Wtf were they doing letting the kid watch Saddams execution anyway? As sad and all that it is...

Exactly. They say it's because of images that he saw of the execution. If he downloaded the execution from the net then his internet activity should have been more closely monitored, and if he saw it on TV while the parents were watching - they should have changed the channel. It's bad parenting, and that's all it is.
It's unfortunate that the child saw the images, but, he was not FORCED by the media to watch them. The media cannot be held responsible for this. Every weekend we see images of a car crash on the news with blood on the side of the road. If there is ever a child in the room when I'm watching I turn the channel; common sense really.
It's not the media's fault for broadcasting the images, it's the parents fault for letting their child have access to the images. They're either just going through the angry stage you go through after someone close to you dies, or they're after money.

Mrs_Doyle

rb_ie wrote:

Lol, they're blaming the television. How original. Wtf were they doing letting the kid watch Saddams execution anyway? As sad and all that it is...

My 11 year old sister has seen the execution footage that was broadcast on the news.
The footage was aired well before bedtime and pictures were published in all of the major newspapers.

My parents change the channel, but if kids want to see something, they will see it.
Have a little think back to your own childhood.

She has asked questions with regard to his death, children ask questions, its what they do.

However, she has not attempted to kill herself and I am fairly confident that she will not make such an attempt in the future.

Basically, what I am saying is, the kid had issues of his own that go way beyond the footage that was shown on TV.

I'm not sure if the parents are to blame, some kids are troubled from day one, maybe he was one of them.

(How many of us saw the movie, Childs Play, when we were Under the age of 16?, How many of us went on to brutally murder a toddler after watching it?)

Rabies

There must have been other issues with the kid. The parents jsut didn't pick up on it until it was too late.

Mrs_Doyle

Rabies wrote:

There must have been other issues with the kid. The parents jsut didn't pick up on it until it was too late.

I agree with you, and that doesn't have to mean they were bad parents.

Right now they are looking for someone, or something to blame for their loss.

They chose footage of Sadam's execution, but it could have just as easily been some movie, or TV show, or magazine, book, video game.

They are grieving for the loss of the son, let them do whatever the hell it is that eases their grief.

Mossy Monk

ban television. it would prevent incidents like this

fade2black

Mossy Monk wrote:

ban television. it would prevent incidents like this

I agree with Sideshow Bob!

Rb

sjones wrote:

Exactly. They say it's because of images that he saw of the execution. If he downloaded the execution from the net then his internet activity should have been more closely monitored, and if he saw it on TV while the parents were watching - they should have changed the channel. It's bad parenting, and that's all it is.
It's unfortunate that the child saw the images, but, he was not FORCED by the media to watch them. The media cannot be held responsible for this. Every weekend we see images of a car crash on the news with blood on the side of the road. If there is ever a child in the room when I'm watching I turn the channel; common sense really.
It's not the media's fault for broadcasting the images, it's the parents fault for letting their child have access to the images. They're either just going through the angry stage you go through after someone close to you dies, or they're after money.

Aye, and even still, if a child came asking questions about such a morbid topic as the child did in this case, surely the responsibiltiy lies with the parents to inform the child of the damage/effects of it and whatever, rather than risking the child going out and finding out for themselves (which children often will unless they know full well the consequences of the action i.e putting a hand in a fire/on the cooker ).

I'm sure it is a case of the parents just looking for someone to blame, as it would be extremely hard for them to accept that its their fault that their child is dead, or their lack of responsibility that caused it.

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

My 11 year old sister has seen the execution footage that was broadcast on the news.
The footage was aired well before bedtime and pictures were published in all of the major newspapers.

My parents change the channel, but if kids want to see something, they will see it.
Have a little think back to your own childhood.

This isn't necessarily true, and it certainly isn't over here. The videos the media published of the execution were the build up to it, him having the noose put around his neck and there was no sound to it. It was edited and cut to a short while before the actual hanging.

Saddam was seen having the noose put around his neck, but thats about it. Somewhere the child would have had to get the information that you have to drop to hang yourself, or the process of the execution itself and it is certainly not ok for parents to be exposing their children to footage of executions. Just like those videos of the hostages in Iraq being executed, there is no way in hell that you'd let a child watch it.

Unless the child had seen other footage of hangings, or was informed as to the process. Again, the parents should have educated their child to the extent that they should know that tying a rope around your neck and dropping off a platform != A good time. This child merely found out the hard way.

humanji

I'm positive I heard this a week or so ago where it was a boy in Texas, not Turkey (and the girl I work with backs me up on this). Anyone else hear this? It was on the news on 98fm. Maybe they just got the place wrong.

Dave!

yeah I'm sure the kid had no mental problems with depression or anything, saw the video on the TV, and said "that looks like fun!"

The parents' fault. Don't take their ramblings seriously -- they're just looking to blame someone other than themselves.

Mrs_Doyle

rb_ie wrote:

This isn't necessarily true, and it certainly isn't over here. The videos the media published of the execution were the build up to it, him having the noose put around his neck and there was no sound to it. It was edited and cut to a short while before the actual hanging.

Saddam was seen having the noose put around his neck, but that's about it. Somewhere the child would have had to get the information that you have to drop to hang yourself, or the process of the execution itself and it is certainly not ok for parents to be exposing their children to footage of executions. Just like those videos of the hostages in Iraq being executed, there is no way in hell that you'd let a child watch it.

Unless the child had seen other footage of hangings, or was informed as to the process. Again, the parents should have educated their child to the extent that they should know that tying a rope around your neck and dropping off a platform != A good time. This child merely found out the hard way.

I don't know any of your personal information but I get the feeling you might be a little naive when it comes to children.

My sister is incredibly sheltered in comparison to some of her peers, but she is aware of what an execution is, and what it is to hang, or to commit suicide.

Kids know things that we would much rather they didn't. Even if you manage to protect your child form certain images, or information, whilst they are in your home, you can be sure that they will pick it up on the street, or in school.

No matter how wonderful and protective the parent, you can't shelter your children from the worlds evils.

Even if you banned TV in your own home, and never brought in a magazine, or newspaper.... their friends will learn of bad things from their friends.

My sister came home and asked me what a blow job was, one of the boys, aged 12, in her class, had asked one of the girls if she would give him one.

I told her he was a dirty little boy, and although I wasn't sure what the term meant, I was sure it wasn't something that nice girls do (hey, I didn't know what to say).
Later that week she came home and asked me if I wanted to know what a blowjob was, because the girl in school had explained the whole thing to her.
Sure enough this little girl had been able to explain to her exactly what was involved, and had also told her about some other sexual acts too!

How do you protect your children from that kind of information?

daveirl

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mike65

humanji wrote:

I'm positive I heard this a week or so ago where it was a boy in Texas, not Turkey (and the girl I work with backs me up on this). Anyone else hear this? It was on the news on 98fm. Maybe they just got the place wrong.

Take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=BHG&q=year+old+hangs+himself&btnG=Search

Mike.

scojones

Good point daveirl.

mike65 wrote:

Take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=BHG&q=year+old+hangs+himself&btnG=Search

Mike.

Feck! I thought this was the only case. You have to laugh at the 'like Saddam' thrown in to these cases. I know a 12 year old boy who hung himself because of personal reasons. You have to wonder if he did this last week would it be on RTE News: "12 year old boy hangs himself, 'like Saddam'".
Saddam didn't hang himself, he was hung by others. There's a difference!

Dave!

sjones wrote:

Saddam didn't hang himself, he was hung by others. There's a difference!

Heyes

Its hard and actually quite sad to think that parents would try and make a quick buck out of there childs death. Although maybe some may not agree on the thought, its certainly the first thing that was popping into my head as i was reading the story. Sucicide is a massive problem through out the world particularly in this country.

Nobody will know if the death was down to what the child saw on television, i suppose if the police looked into the situation a bit more such as location, how it was done etc they might be able to draw up a more clear picture, however i find it quite unlikely that a child would even think to do something like this, if they had it would have been quite clear to the police and family involved as it would look like a mistake a some what "tragic accident" if you prefer.

User45701

sjones wrote:

Bad Parenting if you ask me. They leave a child who keeps asking about someone who was hung, asking if it would hurt, someone obviously mentally affected by what happened... ALONE? Well done.

Eh well yes and no. its hard to say i mean kids ask questions allot right?
and if he was 12 maybe the parents assumed he had intelligence and was not going to test methods of excutation on himself because i remember before i was 5 myself and friends used to play some sort of tie up game or whatever but at 5 we knew enough to avoid the neck so i don't relay have to say for the poor kid.

scojones

User45701 wrote:

Eh well yes and no. its hard to say i mean kids ask questions allot right?
and if he was 12 maybe the parents assumed he had intelligence and was not going to test methods of excutation on himself

And that's exactly where the bad parenting comes into it.

The Walsho

But even before the age of 12 kids learn about hanging and other methods of execution (in school-history class). Granted, there is a difference, in that this execution has been broadcast and very publicised, but this child clearly had other issues. I'm sure a lot of other kids were as exposed to this execution as he was, and there hasn't been some sort of mass suicide of late.

User45701

sjones wrote:

And that's exactly where the bad parenting comes into it.

sorry sjones i am not disagreeing with you - it was bad parenting that they did not teach him that it was stupid to test excutation methods on oneself
yes sorry i thought you where saying it was bad parenting that they where not watching him all the time at 12 years of age.

scojones

No apology needed!