Xbox 360 2 pic!!!!!

Dman001

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/the-second-xbox-360-revealed-codename-zephyr/
It has HDMI!!!!


Video-http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-360/clip-xbox-360-hdmi-in-action-226584.php
Looks like this is real then

RobertFoster

And a 120GB HDD apparently

I don't care about the HDMI, but the bigger HDD would have been nice. I suddenly have buyers remorse for the 360 I got at Christmas

quad_red

I know hdmi and the bigger hard disk are needed.

But I spent alot of money a few months ago for this ****ing thing.

Although, seeing as 360's have the reliability record of Rovers, my 360 will probably kick the bucket 2 days after the guarantee expires.

Xbox 360 Premium - €420
Wireless thingy - €80
HD-Dvd drive - €200
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€700

If they release a mark 2 with all of that onboard, alot of people are going to go stark raving mad!

And watch sales of the hd-dvd plummet until they clarify whether or not V2 has hd-dvd on board.

projectmayhem

wonder how much it'll cost (this is probably a way to keep it at €409...). it could segregate the 360 community a bit more. already you have those with/without hard-drives and those with/without xbl...

jebusmusic

Will this ship with a built in HD-DVD drive as well?

Ciaran500

projectmayhem wrote:

wonder how much it'll cost (this is probably a way to keep it at €409...). it could segregate the 360 community a bit more. already you have those with/without hard-drives and those with/without xbl...

How will it segregate them even more? Its not like there will be anything you can only do with HDMI or 120gb HDD.

quad_red

I think the big question is whether or not there'll be an upgrade path to the bigger hard drive.

ie. some way of transferring everthing you have on your 20gb hard drive to the new drive.

Smellyirishman

Wouldn't affect me tbh, might consider upgrading the HDD depending. I just wish they had made the HDD standard from the start.

Potential reaction could be volatile though.

Stephen

Having bought my 360 only last week... this pisses me off. I don't care much about HDMI (using VGA here), but the 120GB disk would have been great to have.

unklerosco

Im just wondering if it is real would the HDMI no be on the Av lead.?.

Ciaran500

Nope you have to have a standard HDMI port, I'm pretty sure its part of the license.

quad_red

unklerosco wrote:

Im just wondering if it is real would the HDMI no be on the Av lead.?.

I don't think you can have anything other than 'real' hdmi.... It's a fiercely protected technical standard. If MS tried to market something as HDMI that didn't cut that technical standard there'd be a monkey **** fight of epic proportions!

KTRIC

If in fact this is real (which I doubt) I'd wait until MS announce it officially. Either way the 360 (mk1) is not going to stop working .

Does anyone remember how many hardware revisions of the original Xbox there was ? I think it was a good few. Why should the 360 be any different.


All I have to say to people that have the machine at the moment is be happy with what you have and stop complaining.

GrumPy

Yes the original xbox had 7+ versions

No did any of these versions come with additional features that would make the console better.


Anyway, who cares. Unless the upgrade is a REAL upgrade ie. built in wifi/120gb/hdmi/optical out/hybrid dvd/cd/hddvd drive

then it's a waste of money.

Scruff

Stephen wrote:

Having bought my 360 only last week... this pisses me off. I don't care much about HDMI (using VGA here), but the 120GB disk would have been great to have.

is VGA much better than composite?

unklerosco

Think its sharper but the component gives better colours...

I take it u meant component n not composite, composite is for the SD, not HD..

xanthor

Hardly a suprise.... but I won't be upgrading. Can't be bothered buying a 1080P TV, and I use the optical jack for sound.

McDermotX

Nice one MS.......they managed to get over the busy and profitable Christmas season without this being leaked.......classic industry management.
Cost is obviously going to come into this, and it'll be hard to know whether or not they'll chuck in the HD-DVD.
Seeing as how the drive would only be used for HD-DVD films, as oppposed to the PS3 using the BD for all media, I don't think they'll include it straight away or offer it as a higher priced premium pack.
Splitting the 360 community right now could be a very big mistake on Microsoft's part and it would just show the general public that they are mimicking Sony.
If they release it as a 2nd rev 360 without the HD-DVD, they may get away with it (although there will be a lot of people up in arms on these forums )

Stephen

Scruff wrote:

is VGA much better than composite?

Dunno, I have it hooked up to an LCD monitor. I've never actually connected my 360 to a TV

Smellyirishman

Scruff wrote:

is VGA much better than composite?

If you did mean composite, then yes.

Vyse

This is currently just a rumour and nothing more. Could tuen out to be true though.

McDermotX

Vyse wrote:

This is currently just a rumour and nothing more. Could tuen out to be true though.

To be honest,
I remember seeing a similar picture before the 360 was released......another leaked picture that time as well. Can't be certain if it was this exact picture back then, but I do remember noticing a rather unique av connection..
If true it would make sense for MS to announce it at next week's CES, and aim to have it in the shops in either March or September..

TBH, I'd be happy with another 360 as long as it was silent, more important too me than a bigger HDD or Wifi etc..etc..

unklerosco

Well other sites r saying that it'll be 6-7 months by the time they have the new cpu on 65nm...

McDermotX

unklerosco wrote:

Well other sites r saying that it'll be 6-7 months by the time they have the new cpu on 65nm...

Because of yield issues and production constraints..
Probably why Sept would be be a more likely release, if at all. PS3 (with its properly developed media capabilities) will probably be in homes by then, unless Sony drop the ball and fumble until Sept..

Clank

McDermotX wrote:

To be honest,
I remember seeing a similar picture before the 360 was released......another leaked picture that time as well. Can't be certain if it was this exact picture back then, but I do remember noticing a rather unique av connection..

So do I, so do I...... hmmmm *strokes beard*

Once you can get the 120GB HD seperate thats all i need.

Julez

This grinds my gears alright, not impressed, I want HDMI, should have had it from the start!!

Dman001

It probably wont have built in HD DVD going by this.http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/05/microsoft-hd-dvd-might-be-next-betamax-switch-to-blu-ray-sti/
The Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive would likely never be internalized into a future version because "[we] don't want to charge customers $200 extra for something that may be the next Betamax." Microsoft Director of Platform Strategy Scott Henson said.

bardcom

Aren't you forgetting something? This is Microsoft we're talking about! They've never shipped on time in their lives....

My guess is that it'll be at least 12 months before this puppy ships.

At least.

Dman001

Ive just addeed a link of a video with someone using the 360 with HDMI

unklerosco

Good find.... Why o why did they plonk that music on it.

Lord Oz

This sucks, especially after everyone buying 360s during christmas.

Ciaran500

Lord Oz wrote:

This sucks, especially after everyone buying 360s during christmas.

I wouldn't expect them too soon, although they will want them out ASAP after they announce them.

Helix

wouldnt be arsed buying one of these tbh

my original 360 does me more than fine

ill just jab a bigger harddrive in it whenever i need one

the hd thing doesnt bother me at all

Helix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcACuy4x8nA&eurl= video of it

more pics here

http://www.xbox-scene.com/

JuncoPartner

As an early adopter of the 360 and a big xbox fan for many years now I was extremely peeved when I saw this the other day.
The more I think about it now tho the less it bothers me... hdmi, who really cares! my 32 inch hdtv can only do 1080i anyway so component is more than ok. I couldnt care less that hdmi carries the sound aswell, big wow, i use the optical out on the component cable anyway, noone wants to have to pass the sound through their tv if they have a decent ss amp waiting.
My 40 inch hdtv can do 1080p over vga, so thats another reason I dont care about hdmi on the xbox. But anyway the infoweb community seems split about 50/50 on whether the current xbox av port can in fact do hdmi, my gut feeling is that it can, and when this v2 is realeased a cable for v1 will be made available too, not for free but itll be there. I could well be wrong but I guess we'll see.
As for the standards etc based around hdmi/hdcp et al I really wouldnt be paying too much attention to that right now. The problem is that hdtv and high density discs really have not taken off at all. People in general (not me) have been extremely slow to embrace these newer technologies and as such concessions have and will continue to be made to the "rules". For example the xbox hd dvd drive is a case in point, where is the hdmi and hdcp?!
The only thing that I would really really like to see is a way to get my content off my current 20gb drive onto the new 120gb drive that I will 100% certainly buy. And alas I dont think we will see that, I might be wrong, I hope Im wrong but I dont see it.
And lastly roll on CES so mr gates can make his announcement that the xbox 360 is adding support for IPTV !! and Worms HD

That is all

McDermotX

If this rev is released I think its more the people who bought it only recently and people who bought the HD-DVD drive expecting HD level sound who will be the most annoyed.
Whereas most people would be able to live with the whole 1080i/1080p thing (either because their display can't display it over analogue or the old argument as to whether or not there is a visible improvement with HDMI), the HDMI connection would probably be the only way for MS to sort out the sound issue.
As it stands the 360 is incapable of delivering the full DD+ (never mind TrueHD), and the best people can hope for is an eventual software update that may allow them to decode DTS to give a 1.5mbps over optical.
If MS want to advertise the 360 as an all singing and dancing media heaven with HD-DVD playback, they need to provide the technology base to do it, and the current 360 cannot do it.....unless HDMI output can be provided with the current setup (all debates aside about whether the tech/licensing is in place for it or not......I believe MS's only ever official stance on this issue was a quote from a VP stating that they would provide HDMI connectivity if people demanded it).

For the main 360 population who bought their 360 to play games, the only issues may be the HDD upgrade (as Juncopartner suggested) and/or maybe built-in Wifi, whether this affects you can only really be answered by everybody individually. Its not like future games aren't going to work or be developed with the current installed base in mind.
For the HD-DVD people, you're better off with a standalone performance-wise anyway, if you don't mind a more expensive jump into a potentially dead format, but that's an argument for other forums

JuncoPartner

McDermotX wrote:

As it stands the 360 is incapable of delivering the full DD+ (never mind TrueHD), and the best people can hope for is an eventual software update that may allow them to decode DTS to give a 1.5mbps over optical.

Have you got a source for that? Not saying you are wrong, just I was told and was under the impression that the 360 is capable and a firmware update would fix the issue?

McDermotX wrote:

For the HD-DVD people, you're better off with a standalone performance-wise anyway, if you don't mind a more expensive jump into a potentially dead format, but that's an argument for other forums

I bought the HD-DVD player and would recommend it to anyone who has a 360. Its the cheapest option, and technically the best (only 1080p capable player available at this moment in time) if/when they fix the sound issue. The picture quality is exceptional. As you say tho HD DVD is potentially a dead format, but if you are interested what better way to get into than the cheapest?

McDermotX

Well,
it is a decent cheap option for people wanting to get into the HD-DVD area, but it cannot compete with even the most basic dedicated player and anyone serious enough to consider it the mainstay of their home theater setup needs to understand its limitations.
I've mentioned on other threads and forums that it at best represents a cheap way to get into the format, but the various issues with it (advanced audio codecs, HDMI etc..) restrict its usefulness in a dedicated setup.
It represents a way into the format no doubt, and it at least gives the owner a reason to change their buying habits when it comes to DVD purchases, but I believe anyone owner who has the opportunity to compare its PQ/AQ against a dedicated Toshiba will concur.
As it stands the 360 DD decoding will only allow for a 640kbps signal to be output, this is the same for DD, DD+ and TrueHD sounds tracks and when you consider that most HD-DVDs carry a DD+ and quality releases a TrueHD one, this is where the problems arise.
The Toslink doesn't allow for the passing of a high bandwidth multi-channel signal from the source, which is why the best that may be hoped for will be a 1.5mbit/s signal from a decoded DTS track. Considering that DD+ is capable of approx 6144 kbit/s, but usually hangs around 3mbit/s for HD-DVD this loss can be very apparent on high-end gear. TrueHD which is a lossless format can be anything up 18mbit/s depending on the amount of channels so in order to provide this you need a source which can deliver this via analog out or HDMI.....the current 360 has neither. This also affects dedicated players, not just the 360, when listening though optical.
Most people will appreciate a difference when they play a TrueHD format through the addon, but this is only due to clever software decoding rather than the true soundtrack. There is no way to appreciate lossless sound from the 360 because of this limitation in its current form, a HDMI version may be able to change this.
As for technically the best.....the PQ from the 360 addon is excellent, but is does not quite compare to a dedicated player. The 1080p output from the 360 can only be a appreciated by a very small number of people due to the lack of displays which will accept 1080p over analogue component or VGA. This may or may not be being supplemented from the 360's internal scaler, something that allows it to "fake" (probably to strong a term for some) a 1080 progressive output. This is something MS will not respond to. This is opposed to the PS3, which because of its lack of internal scaler, had to render at 1080p to produce its signal. Most 360 games are rendered at 720p and upscaled, some like PGR3 are even rendered at below this.
Dedicated players like the new Toshiba XA2 (XE1) can output 1080p directly, and will also be able to pull 1080p/24fps from the source with a future update, something also in line for the PS3's BD playback.
Also, the 1080p output from the 360 is not exactly reference quality, and most people will find better results outputting 1080i from the 360 and letting their 1080p displays de-interlace it with their own scaler, which is often much more advanced on high-end screens.
Of course, the price of 1st gen Toshibas can go from 400-500 Euro and up, and the likes of the XE1 will run 800-900 Euro, so this is where the only advantage of the 360 addon lies and probably a high enough percentage of HD-DVD addon owners will probably never be to bothered about such audio limitations. And anyone else, who wants a high-end component will buy a standalone anyway.
Like I said in other threads, I would recommend the addon because of its low price and because of its usefullness across the 360 and PCs, but I will not accept it being a viable long-term high-end component.................and thats without talking about the jet-engine sound from the 360 in the background:)

thefinalstage

I have three things annoying me about this.

Will Microsoft release a device to transferr data between hard-drives?

Will the internal wi-fi support wpa2,will they release an update for current
wi-fi adapters?

Could this version have better backwards compatibility?

Ciaran500

thelastangryman wrote:

Will the internal wi-fi support wpa2,will they release an update for current
wi-fi adapters?

Could this version have better backwards compatibility?

No internal WiFi talked about anywhere in there, and the BC is software so it will be the same as the "normal" 360

JuncoPartner

thelastangryman wrote:

Will Microsoft release a device to transferr data between hard-drives?

i sure hope so.

thelastangryman wrote:

Will the internal wi-fi support wpa2,will they release an update for current
wi-fi adapters?

I dont know where people are getting this idea about built in wifi?? the pics of 360 v2 all clearly show the clip-in spaces for the current dongle still in place.

thefinalstage

Handy .

Than all I have to do is buy the bigger hard-drive.

JM MARCONI

All of your questions will hopefully be answered here at 2.30 this morning if you want to wait up http://www.microsoft.com/ces/

unklerosco

Well if last night is anything to go by I should be woken at about 4am with the pain from my wisdom tooth... Might have a peep at it then..

JM MARCONI

Il take your wisdom teeth out for ya for 20 squid!:D

Its being broadcast live so i dont know if you will be able to replay it from that link

godtabh

I dont know if I'd be that pushed to get one.

I was buying one again and I had the choice between a cheaper old 360 and an newer more expensive 360 it come down to money and whether I had it or not!

My 360 does what I want it to do. The only thing that I'm missing is a HD DVD be it HD-DVD or Bluray and I'll be getting a standalone one of them

Scruff

not too bothered about hdmi either at the moment.
What i am bothered about is whether we'll be able to buy the 120gb hd for our current consoles, if there will be any way to transfer or data from existing hd to is and most importantly: how much will it cost????

unklerosco

Not much new from CES... news on games, IPTV to be released soon, and Xbox live for the PC.... All i could find at the mo.. The new Home Server software sounds handy tho(nothing to do with the Xbox)

unklerosco

Bits from CES...

The upgraded version of Xbox 360, slated for next winter, will allow its owners to digitally receive and record programs over the Web. Users will also be able to use the device for "voice and video communications" over the internet. Microsoft has also teamed with the Nickelodeon and Showtime television networks and Starz Entertainment's Vongo subscription movie service so their Web-based content will be directly available through Vista. Movies downloaded from Vongo can also be played on the TV using Microsoft's Xbox 360 game console.

http://microsoftatces.com/?gclid=CMG68ZbM0YkCFSJ1XgodqiMOPw

j4vier

also to be noted for "flashers" that the new xboxex comin out will have a different drive ( the philips one i think) which rumours say wont be as "functional "as the samsung

Dman001

Microsoft has teamed up with BT for the that IPTV thing.Does this mean we will get it?