AK in the small blind

BigCityBanker

Quick question 1/2 live and you have AKo in the SB. after a couple of limpers CO makes it 13 to go.. What do you do?

Smooth Call
Fold
Raise Pot

Please justify why you take the action.

Waylander

I smooth call here, dont really like reraising with AK unless I have a read\tell on the raiser, or he is particularly busy preflop in general. Once the flop comes down I reassess the situation.

peeko

I re raise to about 30 in hope of hitting A or K when CO has Smaller A or K, or QQ/JJ/TT.

robinlacey

what are the stacks?
all three options are possible,my decision would be based on how the table had been playing,what the raiser was like,how i'd been playing,etc

smurph

I would smooth call, personally, Its a strange hand to play outta position. I would feel obliged if I repotted it and missed the flop to bet, then if called I wouldn't have a notion where I am in the hand.

califano

Can one call without it having to be smooth?

BigCityBanker

Stacks c. 200 each.

BigCityBanker

rounders123 wrote:

Can one call without it having to be smooth?

Some people like a bit of ruff every now and again but essentailly id say yes it can be done.

robinlacey

actually thinking about what live 1/2nl is like i think its reraise or fold time,calling here would be disasterous given that all the limpers will call too,and you'll be left oop in a big pot with a tricky hand to play
so i think most of the time i would reraise the max here,and bet/call any flop
folding isn't terrible either

peeko

is folding not terrible just because it's the fitz and there are limpers?

in an average 6max table, would you consider folding AK in the SB if there was a raise and a call?

been having a lot of problems with AK over the last few days.

El Stuntman

folding is out of the question unless you have some amazing read on the original raiser

do not call, this is the worst possible option as Robin said

pot it and get headsup with the original raiser. Bet any flop and take it down, all the way to Chinatown baby...

El Stuntman

peeko wrote:

in an average 6max table, would you consider folding AK in the SB if there was a raise and a call?

no, are you nuts?

ianmc38

peeko wrote:

in an average 6max table, would you consider folding AK in the SB if there was a raise and a call?

Sometimes.

El Stuntman

ianmc38 wrote:

Sometimes.

hee hee, one for the loony bin!!

AmarilloFats

El Stuntman wrote:

peeko wrote:

in an average 6max table, would you consider folding AK in the SB if there was a raise and a call?

no, are you nuts?

Gotta Raise...
Folding OMG,,, I mean There's good money out there and you got AK..position smition.
Calling Is brutal..

BigCityBanker

AmarilloFats wrote:

Calling Is brutal..

Why is calling brutal?

Are HJ and Fuzz in the house?

El Stuntman

BigCityBanker wrote:

Why is calling brutal?

Are HJ and Fuzz in the house?

HJ and Fuzz got gay-married in Boston and have run away to start a new life as peanut farmers in Costa Rica

so it's down to me to tell it like it is:

<in the style of HJ>: you are obviously a clueless idiot who knows almost nothing about poker. We do not want to play multi-way pots with AK out of position. I am right. End of story. Worship me as your god.

<in the style of Fuzz>: .

peeko

haha


Well I've been raising with AK in the SB when there are raisers and callers. It's just been loosing me a lot of money when it doesn't hit. I make a continuation bet, it gets called, where do I stop? Do I give up after that?

I don't make a continuation bet, someone invariabley raises, do I let go?

I know these are all situation dependant, it's just been causing me a bit of jip over the last few days. Folding would of saved me a fortune. But I'd probably not be where I was if I was folding this all the time.

Tricky spot imo.

AmarilloFats

El Stuntman wrote:

HJ and Fuzz got gay-married in Boston and have run away to start a new life as peanut farmers in Costa Rica

so it's down to me to tell it like it is:

<in the style of HJ>: you are obviously a clueless idiot who knows almost nothing about poker. We do not want to play multi-way pots with AK out of position. I am right. End of story. Worship me as your god.

<in the style of Fuzz>: .

LOL, very good..Multiway pot with AK OOP..

I'd much prefer to raise now and take inititative, and be betting a J 4 7 flop against one villain.Or you could win pot with initial raise.

Rather than Check/calling a A J 7 flop..

eoghan104

You say its live so i presume you are playing PL in the SE or Fitz.

Therefore the raise from the average player in either of these places could mean anything.

IMO you 100% have to pot this! Being OOP heads up is alot better than in a multiway pot whick is guaranteed in these places for a €13 raise. If he comes back over the top you have a decision but at the moment you are a few country miles ahead of the raisers range!!!!

"Pot Pot Pot"

marius

I POT it here every time....

cardshark202

I pot it most of the time here.

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

In a live cash game in the fitz I think a call here is fine, two of the main reasons for normally reraising with AK are a) it looks very strong and you win unimproved as players will fold small pairs and other hands if they dont connect with the board, and b) as part of a meta strategy so your 3 bets arent just AA or KK. In a typical fitz game neither of these are applicable.

So in these circumstances I dont think calling is bad at all, I dont think theres anything wrong with raising either, but I dont think it will neccessarily be always the best play. You will make a lot of money in these games by making a hand and having someone hold a 2nd best hand, not by trying to push people around preflop or otherwise.

I also dont think playing AK out of position is that hard, especially in the fitz.

El Stuntman

who was that masked man?

robinlacey

peeko wrote:

haha


Well I've been raising with AK in the SB when there are raisers and callers. It's just been loosing me a lot of money when it doesn't hit. I make a continuation bet, it gets called, where do I stop? Do I give up after that?

I don't make a continuation bet, someone invariabley raises, do I let go?

I know these are all situation dependant, it's just been causing me a bit of jip over the last few days. Folding would of saved me a fortune. But I'd probably not be where I was if I was folding this all the time.

Tricky spot imo.

if there's limpers,a raise to 13 and you raise the pot and get called there'll be nearly 100 in there preflop,or 50 of your 200 stack
so you just bet 100 on the flop,there's only 50 left to go in so you obviously call a push or push the turn yourself....
if it was deeper then it could be a problem,but when you reraise here preflop you're pretty much committing yourself

pok3rplaya

Basically this comes down to whether or not we can cbet profitable or not if we reraise.

phantom_lord

pok3rplaya wrote:

Basically this comes down to whether or not we can cbet profitable or not if we reraise.

c-bets don't work live.

robinlacey

Hectorjelly wrote:

I also dont think playing AK out of position is that hard, especially in the fitz.

really?
there's a few limpers,if they all call there could be 4 or 5 to the flop,and you've AK out of position against all of them,with say 60 in the pot and 190 behind...
i dunno,i'd find that fairly tricky a lot of the time...

robinlacey

phantom_lord wrote:

c-bets don't work live.

i'd agree normally but in a reraised pot here a c-bet is going to be pretty much all in

pok3rplaya

robinlacey wrote:

i'd agree normally but in a reraised pot here a c-bet is going to be pretty much all in

If we can cbet push the flop, I like reraising a lot more then if the stacks were deeper. Calling and playing pretty passivly is a reasonable allternative though.

RoundTower

do you know nothing about the players? I usually reraise but calling is just fine.

ntlbell

El Stuntman wrote:

so it's down to me to tell it like it is:

<in the style of HJ>: you are obviously a clueless idiot who knows almost nothing about poker. We do not want to play multi-way pots with AK out of position. I am right. End of story. Worship me as your god.

this is as close as an answer from HJ you're going to get without him actually posting.

phantom_lord

I much prefer calling than rr here if we're talking full ring fitz,

fuzzbox

Both calling and RR are fine - in the fitz or any other live cardroom in ireland.

RR will be called by such wonders as A8o, so its clearly fine. Call is also fine, as that same A8o will give you action for their stack on an AT3r board.

phantom_lord

fuzzbox wrote:

RR will be called by such wonders as A8o, so its clearly fine. Call is also fine, as that same A8o will give you action for their stack on an AT3r board.

the standard's not that bad in the fitz! A normal fitz player wont really be calling a pot sized rr with less tha qq+ aj(q?)+.

pok3rplaya

fuzzbox wrote:

Both calling and RR are fine - in the fitz or any other live cardroom in ireland.

RR will be called by such wonders as A8o, so its clearly fine. Call is also fine, as that same A8o will give you action for their stack on an AT3r board.

If I'm playing against aforementioned A8, I'd like to have the pot as big as possible going to the flop though.

Hectorjelly

pok3rplaya wrote:

If I'm playing against aforementioned A8, I'd like to have the pot as big as possible going to the flop though.

v good analysis!

fuzzbox

pok3rplaya wrote:

If I'm playing against aforementioned A8, I'd like to have the pot as big as possible going to the flop though.

sometimes he has 77 and will call you down unimproved. So sometimes, you like to hit the A or K first.

smarty pants !! ;-)

pok3rplaya

Also, the times when he has AA, we should fold.