Jackpot Carnage Friday 22nd Dec

Killme00

I had built my stack up to about 1500 when the Round of each table went nuts and everybody was allin preflop every hand for about half an hour. I decided that i wanted to play cards and not gamboool so i moved to one of the PLHE tables. Here is my first hand at the table:

6 Players, Effective stacks 100 - 300 Euro

Villian is BB with about 200
I am in late position with Kd 9d ( i bought in for 200 )

The action is limped around to me and i raise to 10, three callers

Flop: Ad 7s 8d ( 30 Euro)

Checked to me, i bet 30 and 1 caller, 1 fold

Turn: 6h

Villian Checks, i bet 30, villian calls

River: 2c

Villian Checks, i bet 90, villian thinks for a long time and barely calls. Villian has A 6 for two pair.

Should i check the flop? or the turn? Does my river bet represent a missed flush draw or a made straight?

I hope this post isnt too standard and would appreciate your comments. I have been putting alot of thought into my play and am trying to analyse my biggest mistakes.

Hectorjelly

Technically your bet on the turn is bad, its too small. But more important than that, what were you trying to accomplish with your overall line? You wont get people to fold an ace on an ace high board enough to make it profitable, and certainly not with your line. Your line would be absolutely terrible with AK, you would check the river with it. So your bet on the river is can only be a monster or a bluff, its a lot easier for you to be bluffing than have a monster so its an easy call with any ace.

The best line would be to bet the flop, once he calls you know he probably has the ace. You can check the turn to take the free card then fold to a bet on the river if you miss.

Killme00

I was betting the flop for two reasons, firstly to win the pot there and then failing that to establish his strenght ( i didnt do that very well becasue he just call call called). My bet on the turn was too small, i think i should have checked but doesnt that then take away my opportunity to win the pot on the river. I admit i failed to plan my attck in advance, this costs me more money than anything else.

Do you find it more profitable to bet a flush draw rather than check/ call?

Trippie

Killme00 wrote:

I admit i failed to plan my attck in advance, this costs me more money than anything else.

this could be your problem, every situation is different when playing live and you cannot have one set way of playing the hand. You cannot just go im going to bet 30 if he calls because there is a lot more to take into account from the time it takes to call,to the amount of speech,to his comfortableness at the time for instance

Solksjaer

my 2 cents

It looked like a drawing board, if you wanted a caller you would not have bet so big, post river, I think when you are using your drawing hand to actually win a pot , it's ok to bet it on the flop, but if you get a caller, you have to consider either he has another draw or he has got some of it. After that I'd keep the pot low and play how you feel. I don't think betting big with a drawing hand it for anyone other than gamblers , and see as you wanted to play cards and not gamble you should have slowed down.

DeVore

dunno if I like the raise preflop with K9d. After that the continuation bet is fine (representing A-big). I wouldnt believe a straight draw given that you raised preflop and its a flush-drawing board. I might reraise you with A6 on the turn hoping you had AK/Q which is what you are representing.

Other then that I'd pot bet the flop, take the free card on fourth street and then see what my reads tell me for the bet on the river. I could easily not bet the river an just give up the hand, though thats quite passive. Against a calling station it might be the right play though.

DeV.

Killme00

DeVore wrote:

dunno if I like the raise preflop with K9d. After that the continuation bet is fine (representing A-big). I wouldnt believe a straight draw given that you raised preflop and its a flush-drawing board. I might reraise you with A6 on the turn hoping you had AK/Q which is what you are representing.

Thanks, the only thing is that he just called slowly on the flop and called slowly on the turn making me think he was weak. My river bet was a big mistake. I am happy with the prefop raise because it was my first hand at the table and it was limped to me.

Edit: Maybe he is only calling because i have just moved to the table and he doesnt know what to make of my raise.

Hectorjelly

The flop bet is mandatory, check calling with draws or checking here would be fcuking retarded. If he doesnt have an ace he will almost certainly fold. However once he has called you need to give up right away, you just cant get people to fold in these situations. So you check the turn and your hand now looks like a total bluff, so you have a good chance of getting paid off if you make your hand. This line; bet flop, check turn really looks like a bluff so its a very good line to take with marginal good hands like an overpair or top pair.

Also when a player has called your preflop raise, your flop bet, your turn bet; all the draws miss. You should very very rarely fire the last barrell, and never ever when playing low stakes in some irish casino.

cardshark202

Also it sounds like you left a great round of each game with loads of gambling and a potential to win lots of money? Leaving then is terrible.
I agree with HJ on this hand.

RoundTower

you're obviously a nit so I think the river bet is good.

Killme00

Hectorjelly wrote:

Also when a player has called your preflop raise, your flop bet, your turn bet; all the draws miss. You should very very rarely fire the last barrell, and never ever when playing low stakes in some irish casino.

Definite rush of blood to the head

Killme00

RoundTower wrote:

you're obviously a nit so I think the river bet is good.

I feel like one now!!!