Driving home for xmas...then... *BANG*!!

ntlbell

3/6 6 max

Don't know much about UTG, been pretty active since I came but haven't been at the table long enough.


UTG (1750)
Hero UTG+1 (1450)

UTG limps and I make it 24 with 88 folded to UTG

7d 4d As ($57)

UTG checks I bet $50 called.

Turn (157)

8s

UTG checks I bet $150 called.

River (457)

2s

UTG checks I bet $350 villian shoves.

I?

El Stuntman

ntlbell wrote:

3/6 6 max

Don't know much about UTG, been pretty active since I came but haven't been at the table long enough.


UTG (1750)
Hero UTG+1 (1450)

UTG limps and I make it 24 with 88 folded to UTG

7d 4d As ($57)

UTG checks I bet $50 called.

Turn (157)

8s

UTG checks I bet $150 called.

River (457)

2s

UTG checks I bet $350 villian shoves.

I?

I can't lay this down so I grimace in pain and click call, very hard to have him on a flush or 56. Can it be AA, need more info on our villanous villain....

hopefully 77.....

Ste05

ntlbell wrote:

I?

Injure my arm trying to beat him into the pot.

Then say: take it to the BB thread when you say he had 56.

Killme00

Call immediately......:cool:

ntlbell

El Stuntman wrote:

need more info on our villanous villain....

This is the problem, I've never seen him before I'm at the table a good while but I haven't seen him show down anything out of the ordinary but he has been very active but I haven't seen near enough to make a call on a read.

So the info you have is really what I had.

phantom_lord

I'm never folding this.

ntlbell

phantom_lord wrote:

I'm never folding this.

You've been playing in the fitz too much tbh!

Scouser in Dub

Not really sure how the backdoor flush arriving hits the villain considering earlier rounds of betting he may have had an OESD on the flop he has check called both flop and turn (which if he had the open ender got there on the turn)

I call I think then reload

phantom_lord

ntlbell wrote:

You've been playing in the fitz too much tbh!

true. ok...with no read...I'm never folding this.

Ste05

ntlbell wrote:

This is the problem, I've never seen him before I'm at the table a good while but I haven't seen him show down anything out of the ordinary but he has been very active but I haven't seen near enough to make a call on a read.

So the info you have is really what I had.

NTL, just nit-picking, but surely you saw how he managed to nearly triple his buy-in??

This is an instacall unless you have a read to fold, not the other way round. i.e. would he limp call with AA UTG, and does he play draws (i.e. 56) passively, (i.e. not betting the turn or River??)

ntlbell

Ste05 wrote:

NTL, just nit-picking, but surely you saw how he managed to nearly triple his buy-in??

Ste indeed, but it was pretty standard stuff. anything that's been shown down has been pretty standard. but most of his activity hasn't got to show down.

e.g. an early double with AA V's KK all-in preflop etc. nothing I could get something from to help here.

jhegarty

two diamonds and is desprate after missing his flush ?

I have seen this happen so often... they have so much invested they can't get away....

phantom_lord

ntlbell wrote:

Ste indeed, but it was pretty standard stuff. anything that's been shown down has been pretty standard. but most of his activity hasn't got to show down.

e.g. an early double with AA V's KK all-in preflop etc. nothing I could get something from to help here.

he didn't limp utg did he....?

ntlbell

phantom_lord wrote:

he didn't limp utg did he....?

no, I told you...too much time in the fitz

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

Instacall. You will see missed diamonds fairly often.

EDIT: Just re-read and saw he check-raised the river rather than just open-shoving. Still a clear call though

Hectorjelly

This definitely isnt a easy call. We only beat a bluff, I dont think 77 is very likely given the play of the hand.

cardshark202

This has to be a call without reads, especially in an aggressive 3/6 game (Most 3/6 games I've played online have played fairly aggressively). Getting about 2.5:1 too.

Hectorjelly

River check raises are usually the nuts, or whatever the villain considers to be. Im not saying id fold here but its not a clear cut decision. If you get a lot of action on the river like this you are going to be shown a flush or a straight a lot, a bluff rarely (depends on villain) and a worse hand very rarely.

This is a huge decision. The villain is putting in about 150bbs on the river. I think with no read I would fold this, that said i would never be in this spot with no read. I would like to see a villain have some capabilty to put 150bbs in on the river as stone cold bluff before calling here. Most people just arent capable of it.

This hand would be really simple if it was 100bb stacks.

RoundTower

this is a sick spot but I call

Mr. Flibble

Everyone who is advocating a call, what on earth do you think the villain has, Air?
Who calls with AJ?

I think I'd fold.

cardshark202

Given he limped UTG, 56 seems to be unlikely. But something like KQdd, JTdd would be more likely holdings.

Mr. Flibble

Considering how deep they are 56 gets more likely. 3s4s or 4s5s possible too.
.

robinlacey

i think this is definitely a fold

robinlacey

there's a good rule of thumb,i can't remember exactly how it was phrased,but the gist was that the deeper the stacks,the more the information you gain on the river is weighted above all other information...

ie when you have to call a big big river bet,the information you have from earlier streets when the pot was small is much less important than the information you are now being given

also,i don't understand how people are willing to rule out 56 cause he limped utg-we don't know anything about this player...loads of people limp 56s,or even 56o,utg,all the time!

and thats before we even take into account the possibility that he flopped a pair,turned a flush draw and isn't agressive enough to check raise the turn when this happened...

i mean no one likes to fold a turned set,but really,we have like the 26th nuts against an unknown player who's just check raised all in on the river for loads of big blinds-i would only call this if i was on tilt,and i don't think its a particularly difficult fold

fuzzbox

I think its a fold, but I dont know if I would be able to fold in the heat of battle.

You have shown so much strength all the way through the hand that its quite hard for him to be bluffing here. If he is not bluffing, then its hard for him to have a hand that he likes this much that you beat, that he plays like this.

Pretty evil spot.

cardshark202

Yeah I guess its closer than I originally thought. If villain is twin-caracas this is a super-instant call.:)
The more I think though, I guess if villain is brave enough to check-raise on a busted draw, then he's also more likely to semi-bluff-raise on an earlier street. Hmm. Ah I still call here.

phantom_lord

cardshark202 wrote:

Yeah I guess its closer than I originally thought. If villain is twin-caracas this is a super-instant call.:)
The more I think though, I guess if villain is brave enough to check-raise on a busted draw, then he's also more likely to semi-bluff-raise on an earlier street. Hmm. Ah I still call here.

only cause you're a calling station...

Ste05

cardshark202 wrote:

Yeah I guess its closer than I originally thought. If villain is twin-caracas this is a super-instant call.:)
The more I think though, I guess if villain is brave enough to check-raise on a busted draw, then he's also more likely to semi-bluff-raise on an earlier street. Hmm. Ah I still call here.

Yeah, I think I jumped the gun too, good points Reggie, I'd still make the call as well though. Certainly in the heat of battle I'd call.

bops

44
im gonna get one right yet

Mr. Flibble

Something has been bugging me for ages, insomnia, hair falling out etc ,and I couldn't pin down what until I remembered this thread. I beg, set me free from this torment and tell us what happened.

ntlbell

I folded.

He was kind enough to show 56s

Mr. Flibble

God I'm good

valor

I think this is a tough decision, but a fold

robinlacey

i really don't think this is a tough decision,its a standard fold at this level
which is not to say that most players at these stakes can fold this,but they should be able to,and if you can you will have a big edge

ntlbell

robinlacey wrote:

i really don't think this is a tough decision,its a standard fold at this level
which is not to say that most players at these stakes can fold this,but they should be able to,and if you can you will have a big edge

I agree.

I was also suprised with the amount of people who thought it was such an easy call.

phantom_lord

ntlbell wrote:

I agree.

I was also suprised with the amount of people who thought it was such an easy call.

After alot of non fitz poker, I think this is a pretty clear fold.

ntlbell

phantom_lord wrote:

After alot of non fitz poker, I think this is a pretty clear fold.

see what 8 days not playing in the fitz can do?