New Kia Cee'd - have Kia finally got it right?

eamon234

Gotta say this car looks impressive saw it at the London Motor Show last July I reckon this'll do for Kia what the Octavia did for Skoda. Reviews so far are good and a seven year warranty - how bad! Surely this will help with the resale value. I know all the badge snobs will be sniggering and guffawing but who cares! Okay the name's crap but is that really an issue?
Anyone have any idea of the prices? Haven't seen any info online.

IrishRover

I can't tell the difference between this and a Toyota Corolla.
You can see where they're aiming for. Brutal name though.

Lex Luthor

Looks identical to the Toyota Corolla H/B from TV ads. Dunno how they got away with it. 7yr warrant though is unbelievable. Crap name I agree. Can't say it looks impressive if its designed like a Corolla.

octyvrs

heres one just added to carzone,with plenty of pics
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=Car&carID=560361&message=You%20searched%20for%3A%20KIA%20Ceed%2E%20Your%20search%20returned%20one%20vehicle%2C%20which%20is%20shown%20below%2E&CFID=31726925&CFTOKEN=75014023

BrianD3

Car looks ok to me, nothing special but then neither are most of the cars in this class. The name should not be an issue if Kia market the car properly based on its biggest selling point i.e the warranty! The warranty is 7 years or 150 k kms so if you're doing high mileage it will expire well before the 7 years. but for a lot of people doing average or low mileage the car could be a great buy. It will be interesting to see how the car does in EuroNCAP as traditionally Kias, Hyundais, Daewoos and Protons have lagged behind in this area and this has hurt their image.

Even if you don't like the car or Kias generally this car could be good news for everyone if it sells well. Because if other manufacturers start losing sales to Kia it wil encourage them to improve their warranties.

furtzy

Korean manufacturers are fast becoming the benchmark for reliability. My Dad's had 4 Hyundai's nad never had a single problem. You can bet that this car and its components have been extensively tested for them to afford such a fantastic warranty. Hopefully it will shake up the other manufacturers to extend their warrantys from the pitiful 2 years that in the majority of cases was forced on them by the EU

If I was in the market for a small family hatch then this would be top of the list

Spit62500

20k for the 1.4 which should be well equipped. can't remember if the Irish entry model has air con or not. 23k for the 1.6 diesel so priced to match the competition. Maybe trade-in allowances/cash discounts will be more generous?

They're built in a brand new factory in Slovakia with an emphasis on high quality and a Toyota-like stopping of the production line and re-education of workers if problems are found. Kia seems to be very confident with this car.

There'll be a derivitive called the Pro Cee'd which contiues the trend of strange/corny names....

Guy:Incognito

octyvrs wrote:

heres one just added to carzone,with plenty of pics
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=Car&carID=560361&message=You%20searched%20for%3A%20KIA%20Ceed%2E%20Your%20search%20returned%20one%20vehicle%2C%20which%20is%20shown%20below%2E&CFID=31726925&CFTOKEN=75014023

Not really a need for the pic of the sles guy tho.

irish_bob

undoubtably this new kia will like nearly all korean cars theese days be very reliable , thiers no arguement there
the problem with this car like all cars from korea is thier complete lack of personality , design or charechter , thier all the same , be it kia , hyundai or the awfull chevrolet which was previously daewoo
ill take my unreliable alfa romeo any day over a korean metal box with 4 wheels
someone metioned that this kia ceed might do for kia what the octavia did for skoda , you forget that the skoda octavia is a volkswagon with a different badge where as the kia is , well a kia
oh yeah and i think skodas are very smart , not just reliable

junkyard

Great cars, pity about their dealer network though.:rolleyes:

maidhc

irish_bob wrote:

ill take my unreliable alfa romeo any day over a korean metal box with 4 wheels

Most won't!

HashSlinging

Looks nice, very european with a hint of " Alfasud " thrown in with the back pilars, which all the cars in this segment seem to have. I like the spec, and a 1.6 diesel is going to be a good seller.

Where are they sourcing the diesel engine is it the ford/pug/cit 1.6HDI unit? if so then I'd say they are onto a winner at 23k its very good value.

Overall I think I would say yes, esp with the 7yr warranty, I'd say a lot of owners with cars over 5+ years (think about all those '00 cars) and a couple of kids will gladly trade in for one of these.

kluivert

I hear bad stories about their engines giving poor fuel economy though.

Plus read the small print on the warranty, you might not be covered for things that you think you should be. Alot of items on a car come under wear and tear category and therefore you will have to fork out the cost for a new item.

The car doesnt look to bad to be honest. Its a good budget car and does what a good budget car should do.... Get you from A to B with value for money with none of the luxurys found in Skoda or VW etc.

prospect

Think the OP is a bit unfair.

The Sorrento is a fine machine, and the new sportage aint half bad.

So "finally got it right" is a wee bit unfair, imo.

HashSlinging

kluivert wrote:

I hear bad stories about their engines giving poor fuel economy though.

Plus read the small print on the warranty, you might not be covered for things that you think you should be. Alot of items on a car come under wear and tear category and therefore you will have to fork out the cost for a new item.

The car doesnt look to bad to be honest. Its a good budget car and does what a good budget car should do.... Get you from A to B with value for money with none of the luxurys found in Skoda or VW etc.

While I dont know about terms and conditions of the warranty, I think you'll find you get a LOT more luxurys in that KIA than on any skoda octavia or VW golf, half leather, USB and AUX sockets to name a few.

Just on to the dealer there, (its MY lunch) he's going to email me the warranty, also the diesel will be out in march, and the petrol is a 1.4 110bhp unit, which by normal standards is fairly decent.

ninty9er

I like the look of it, but there's jsut something niggling inside me saying "the day you buy is the day you sell" and the day you sell part is the bit that would worry me. I doub't there'd be any problems until then. Dell have added Kia to their company car list, which suggests they might be trying to write off more tax...a friend's dad got a Sorento last year from a Saab 9-3 and hasn't had mush trouble, but passing in the opposite direction it looks like he's crouching to see out, and he's not all that tall

But it's far from "budget" in that segment with cars like the unpopular (not without reason) Stilo around.

Most people who buy the main competitors (Toyota, Ford, Nissan, VW) generally don't buy for the warranty, they buy because they feel they won't NEED the warranty. 5-7 years seems to be pretty standard in the states though.

HashSlinging

from the dealer.

The only information I can get is that the warranty is that it’s a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty. The warranty carries over from owner to owner. I can’t be exact on the exceptions however the minute I find out I’ll let you know.
Try logging onto www.kiamotors.ie for more information. Here are my on the road prices and spec.

LX: €20345
Spec: Metallic Paint, Electric Windows, Remote Central Locking, Immobiliser, 6 Air Bags, Air Conditioning, CD Player, Adjustable Steering Wheel, Rear Head Rests, Front Fogs, Steering Wheel Radio Controls, Front & Rear Armrests, IPOD Connection, Height Adjustable Drivers Seat.

EX: €21845
Add: ½ leather seats, 15’’ alloy wheels, leather steering wheel, rear electric windows.

You can also see better pictures of the actual cee’d we have at www.jackdoranmotors.ie and click on used cars and then kia cee’d

ninty9er

7 years 150k km powertrain
5 years 150k km entire vehicle

kluivert

HashSlinging wrote:

EX: €21845
Add: ½ leather seats, 15’’ alloy wheels, leather steering wheel, rear electric windows.

Kia websites states that it has 16" alloy wheels.

I dont trust dealers. They would be good at poker. Bluffing their way, maybe its a mistake though.

With 109bhp it seems nippy enough. The proof is in the testing though. Need to drive it to get a good feel of it and then go drive a corrolla and see what the difference is.

ninty9er

kluivert wrote:

With 109bhp it seems nippy enough. The proof is in the testing though. Need to drive it to get a good feel of it and then go drive a corrolla and see what the difference is.

I'd say the Kia will take very little work to be more of a "driver's car" than the Corolla, but then again how many people buy a car for the drive

BrianD3

From what I've read the 1.4 is 108 bhp but with 108-110 bhp from a 1.4 it is well ahead of its class rivals. Especially Ford and VAG with their 75-80 bhp units.

So it has an excellent engine, good equipment, looks OK and has a great warranty. Reviews say that the handling is about average but the ride is too hard. That's the only bad thing I've heard about it and in any case there are a lot of hard riding cars in this class.

Now if the car can get a 5 star NCAP rating then KIA could have a major sales success on its hands. Also, because of its warranty, the car could cause something of a revolution in the motor industry.

jesus_thats_gre

Still some cheap looking plastics in the ould interior:

neacy69

looks like its made out of the same stuff as this



and this

kluivert

=ninty9er I'd say the Kia will take very little work to be more of a "driver's car" than the Corolla, but then again how many people buy a car for the drive

I never it was a drivers car, just saying that you need to take it for a test drive before considering whether to purchase the car or not.

I never liked the new interior of the Golf, I prefered the Mk4.

Its looks to be a nice enough car.

colm_mcm

speaking of interiors, this just in. New Corolla Irish Luna model interior

colm_mcm

sorry for the ridiculously large picture!

colm_mcm

nope, the silvery bits come on the Luna model, as do all the buttons, even base Terra models will have a 6 cd in dash changer and nine airbags.

maidhc

colm_mcm wrote:

nope, the silvery bits come on the Luna model, as do all the buttons, even base Terra models will have a 6 cd in dash changer and nine airbags.

Sorry just deleted my post about lack of silvery bits and buttons there when I saw the word luna! You are quick in reply!

It is a good looking dash. No aircon on the luna?

colm_mcm

Irish luna models will have aircon. not Strata or Terra models though.

bazz26

colm_mcm wrote:

Irish luna models will have aircon. not Strata or Terra models though.

Since it is on the Irish Toyota website the launch date must be soon or maybe they are keeping it back a bit to flog the remaining old model in January.

Any definate launch dates Colm? I heard the Corolla saloon will arrive before the Auris hatchback.

colm_mcm

the new saloon is on the toyota ireland website, launch very soon. Auris won't be for another few months. not many old models knocking around, still very popular.

junkyard

I have to say that the new Corolla, just like the Camry, are unbelievably bland looking cars. Toyota might as well be building washing machines as cars nowadays, they're about as attractive as them anyway.:rolleyes:

ninty9er

junkyard wrote:

I have to say that the new Corolla, just like the Camry, are unbelievably bland looking cars. Toyota might as well be building washing machines as cars nowadays, they're about as attractive as them anyway.:rolleyes:

I'm fairly sure they do under some name that I can't recall, but Idoubt they go kaputt as often as your avg. tricity bendix

colm_mcm

look at the amount of washing machines people buy! they must be on to a winner! (also - it's hardly less bland than a Jetta or Focus Saloon)

bazz26

junkyard wrote:

I have to say that the new Corolla, just like the Camry, are unbelievably bland looking cars. Toyota might as well be building washing machines as cars nowadays, they're about as attractive as them anyway.:rolleyes:

Better bland than broken imo.

junkyard

bazz26 wrote:

Better bland than broken imo.

Yeah but a little bit of styling would be nice, a little bit of detailing and a bit of chrome would go a long way as far as I'm concerned, it isn't as if they don't know how.

bazz26

junkyard wrote:

Yeah but a little bit of styling would be nice, a little bit of detailing and a bit of chrome would go a long way as far as I'm concerned, it isn't as if they don't know how.

Generally saloon models in this class of car are way more conservative than the hatchback version. The saloon being aimed at the more mature customer. Most Corolla customers are brand loyal and buy generation after generation of the model so I think Toyota don't want to fix what isn't broken. Instead they are introducing the Auris hatchback for those that don't fit that mold. It is meant to appeal to a more younger customer.

kluivert

colm_mcm wrote:

the new saloon is on the toyota ireland website, launch very soon. Auris won't be for another few months. not many old models knocking around, still very popular.

Colm do you work for Toyota.

G Luxel

The Cee'd estate's rear is basically a copy of the Peugeot 407 estate.
There was also a concept of a 3 door version which more resembled an Audi A3.

As for the corolla, well if its made in Turkey, i wont be buying one.

colm_mcm

Wasn't your current car built in Turkey?

G Luxel

my corolla built in turkey? no, according to the dealers, and ive asked quite a lot of them where the corolla saloon is built, as opposed to the verso and the hatchback.

As regards launching the car here in January, the car was only launched in October last. The previous model had been launched in September 2000 but didnt launch here till December 2001 which was well over a year. And as to what cars it looks like, bit of jetta and some saab thrown in as well. I dont like the black interior and I think it doesnt have the chrome on the window louvres....

bazz26

G Luxel wrote:

my corolla built in turkey? no, according to the dealers, and ive asked quite a lot of them where the corolla saloon is built, as opposed to the verso and the hatchback.

We have been through this before. The Corolla saloon has been built in Turkey since 2002 along with the estate and current Verso. The hatchback is built in the UK since 1997. Whatever dealers you have been talking to are telling porkies.

colm_mcm

yup, if your chassis number begins with NMTBM it was built in Turkey. (also there seems to be no difference in quality of UK or Turkish models, so I don't see what the problem with Turkey is..)