Hardy Eustace & Detroit City

fade2black

Before I start, I'll say right now that Hardy Eustace is my favourite horse in racing and most of you already know this. He really is the forgotten hero, probably because when he won the Champion the first time, everyone had their money on Rooster Booster and the 2nd time although he had some fans, most were more interested in back in front, Harchibald and maybe Brave Inca.

I was absolutely delighted with his run today and I think the men who will be the happiest of all will be Colm Murphy and Noel Meade. Pre-race DC was 7-2 fav for the CH and Hardy Eustace was a baffling 16-1. Some firms shortened DC and to me that's laughable. Firstly, I think the pace of the race puts the form in question but also the fact that Detroit City beat Hardy by pretty much the weight he was receiving(on ground that wasn't ideal), and also the fact that Hardy was finishing a lot faster at the finish...I'd rather be on Hardy for the Champion hurdle.

What if last year was just a blip for Hardy Eustace, they weren't happy with him and the whole year is better best forgotten as Steps would say (sorry). Then you really have to take his chances a helluva lot more seriously than the betting suggests.

I don't think Colm Murphy is as worried about Detroit City as maybe he was and I haven't yet made my mind up about Iktitaf but from today's race, I'd rather be on my lad.

What says you all?

scojones

I agree with you completely, which is why I have gotten on antepost. I was happy with the run today. A slight mistake at the second last I think it was made Hardy lose about 1/2 a length but just look at how he responded when asked. He idled somewhat, but when brough near DC he put his head down and was flying coming to the line. His price is a hell of alot more attractive than DC, and yes, I honestly think he can beat DC in the festival. I would have been worried if DC beat Hardy by alot today, but all you have to do as you quite rightly say is look at the ground, the weight, and how it finished to realise that yes Hardy could have won that today and everyone concerned will be extremely happy tonight.

Tush

I cant have DC over a fast run two miles at Chelts,just cant see it at all,

fade2black

Tush wrote:

I cant have DC over a fast run two miles at Chelts,just cant see it at all,

What about the Triumph last year?

Tush

fade2black wrote:

What about the Triumph last year?

Yes I see your point Fade,but the CH is a totally different kettle and for me DC is a massive Lay in the CH,a race that imo will return to Ireland.

fade2black

Tush wrote:

Yes I see your point Fade,but the CH is a totally different kettle and for me DC is a massive Lay in the CH,a race that imo will return to Ireland.

Well I agree with ya there alright.

keepitquiet

i disagree completely. i was neva a fan of dc until today and always thought he was overated... the price is too short for cheltenham fest without doubt but wat u have to remember is tht dc made all the running today and hardy eustace neva looked like beating him. it was just outrun

mdwexford

how in god's name do people think hardy eustace has a hope of regaining the champion hurdle???
this years renewal was far weaker than next years will be and he could still only manage third. backing him is throwing money away, i know some of you might be big fans of the horse but you're letting your heart rule your head on this one folks.

the young brigade have already shown they mean business this season with iktitaf and detroit city lowering the colours of inca and hardy yet still people give them no credit.
at last there are some speed horses back in the 2 mile hurdle division, they wont see which way straw bear, iktitaf and detroit city went come march

Morgans

You have a fair point mdwexford, but you need stamina to win the Champion Hurdle. Check the fate of the Supreme Novices winners vs Sun Alliance winners in the race in the past decade. Macs Joy and Harchibald would be considered out and out 2m and both have come up short. You need horses to stay further than 2m (something both DC and Straw Bear shouldnt have a problem with) Brave Inca is still the horse to beat for me.

fade2black

mdwexford wrote:

how in god's name do people think hardy eustace has a hope of regaining the champion hurdle???
this years renewal was far weaker than next years will be and he could still only manage third. backing him is throwing money away, i know some of you might be big fans of the horse but you're letting your heart rule your head on this one folks.

the young brigade have already shown they mean business this season with iktitaf and detroit city lowering the colours of inca and hardy yet still people give them no credit.
at last there are some speed horses back in the 2 mile hurdle division, they wont see which way straw bear, iktitaf and detroit city went come march

You've managed to misread just about everything that I said up there. Do you not realise that I was just analysing yesterday's race? At what point did I say back Hardy Eustace for next year's Champion Hurdle? And also, how in the name of God can you say that people are not giving the "young brigade" any credit - look where they are in the betting compared to the "old brigade"...Hardy Eustace just could've been wrong last year, you know this as much as me but you're contradicting yourself in one way because if you think Hardy Eustace hasn't a hope of winning the Champion Hurdle then based on yesterday's form, how the hell can detroit City win it???

You seemed to have missed the whole point of the post so let me spell it out for you again. After yesterday's race the two trainers that will be most happy are Colm Murphy and Noel Meade (This is me suggesting that Brave Inca and Iktitaf are now the two prime contenders) and between Hardy Eustace and Detroit City at the prices they are now I'd take Hardy in a hearbeat.

mdwexford

fade2black wrote:

You've managed to misread just about everything that I said up there. Do you not realise that I was just analysing yesterday's race? At what point did I say back Hardy Eustace for next year's Champion Hurdle? And also, how in the name of God can you say that people are not giving the "young brigade" any credit - look where they are in the betting compared to the "old brigade"...Hardy Eustace just could've been wrong last year, you know this as much as me but you're contradicting yourself in one way because if you think Hardy Eustace hasn't a hope of winning the Champion Hurdle then based on yesterday's form, how the hell can detroit City win it???

You seemed to have missed the whole point of the post so let me spell it out for you again. After yesterday's race the two trainers that will be most happy are Colm Murphy and Noel Meade (This is me suggesting that Brave Inca and Iktitaf are now the two prime contenders) and between Hardy Eustace and Detroit City at the prices they are now I'd take Hardy in a hearbeat.

before you start crying any further lets recap shall we
at what point did i quote your post my friend????
who said i was talking about you???

im talking about friends of mine, people on other forums and just a lot of other people ive been talking to in general ok so settle down. these silly people have been saying the 3 young horses have no chance and inca and hardy are the ones to beat. imo they are mistaken. this ok, you still with me???

now i think detroit city has a far better hope because in a stupid four runner field which didnt suit him either he still held off hardy, in a properly run race hes a much better horse. hes not my no.1 choice either but i think he'll be in front of hardy for sure.

you asked for peoples opinions, i gave mine, you freaked out because mine differed from yours i guess, but its ok i forgive you

Tush

Roll on Chelts.....:)

fade2black

mdwexford wrote:

before you start crying any further lets recap shall we
at what point did i quote your post my friend????
who said i was talking about you???

im talking about friends of mine, people on other forums and just a lot of other people ive been talking to in general ok so settle down. these silly people have been saying the 3 young horses have no chance and inca and hardy are the ones to beat. imo they are mistaken. this ok, you still with me???

now i think detroit city has a far better hope because in a stupid four runner field which didnt suit him either he still held off hardy, in a properly run race hes a much better horse. hes not my no.1 choice either but i think he'll be in front of hardy for sure.

you asked for peoples opinions, i gave mine, you freaked out because mine differed from yours i guess, but its ok i forgive you

Christ, it's like talking to a 12 year old. You started off by saying you disagree completely...but wait...you don't disagree with me..you disagree with your friends? And we're all supposed to know what you're talking about? If you're going to post on this forum, reply to the people here, not your "friends".

rag2gar

Great debate lads! I backed iktitaf meself for what its worth! But either way this is building up to be a fascinating race

mdwexford

fade2black wrote:

Christ, it's like talking to a 12 year old. You started off by saying you disagree completely...but wait...you don't disagree with me..you disagree with your friends? And we're all supposed to know what you're talking about? If you're going to post on this forum, reply to the people here, not your "friends".

you,re a shining example to all moderators alright

disagree with what to start?? how do i agree with you now???
you said hardy will finish in front of detroit city, i said the complete opposite, how is this agreeing???

i gave my opinion on the race and i can quote or say whatever i like, its not your forum just so you know. as far as i can see you dont have a clue

fade2black

What has being a moderator got to do with anything?

There really is no point in arguing any further with someone like you.

keepitquiet

can i just say tht the topic has gone off horse racing and into whos right!

fade2black

By all means bring it back on topic keepitquiet.

rag2gar

this is funny stuff

Tush

Any news on Feathard Lady lads????

Sizzler

Tush wrote:

Any news on Feathard Lady lads????

You know I was thinking the same thing reading thru this thread, surely shes do a run soon CLASS capaill

Tush

Sizzler wrote:

You know I was thinking the same thing reading thru this thread, surely shes do a run soon CLASS capaill

Class indeede Sizzler,lets hope she makes it to the festival this time round.

Tush

Is there any people on here willing to back DC for the Champion Hurdle baring in mind that the last 5yo to win the CH was 22 years ago.
Yes Or No answer please or maybe a poll if it can be set up by somebody.

BobbyD10

There are a couple of factors which would determine whether anyone would back DC.
The price for one in my eyes is very short but in someone else's eyes could be good value.
Another factor is the Irish are having a good run in that race.Touch wood it continues.
Personally i wouldn't back him mainly because of the price.

scojones

A winner is a winner at any price, but I don't think DC will win.

Colonel Sanders

Detroit city will not win the champion hurdle.

BobbyD10

sjones wrote:

A winner is a winner at any price, but I don't think DC will win.

True, but backing a horse at 3/1 or so in a tough competitive race at Cheltenham wouldn't represent value.

scojones

BobbyD10 wrote:

True, but backing a horse at 3/1 or so in a tough competitive race at Cheltenham wouldn't represent value.

Depends on how you look at it. Do you think it's a worthy price? If you think it's going to win then 3/1 is a fair price. Look at the price of Kauto... it's 5/2 and I think this is good value. Look at the price BJK was last year and look how it performed. At the end of the day, the horse does not know what price it is.

masterK

Colonel Sanders wrote:

Detroit city will not win the champion hurdle.

Agreed, I'm amazed that so many people are willing to take on Brave Inca. He's the one with the form in the book, his latest outing didn't exactly show him as a horse in decline either.

BobbyD10

sjones wrote:

Depends on how you look at it. Do you think it's a worthy price? If you think it's going to win then 3/1 is a fair price. Look at the price of Kauto... it's 5/2 and I think this is good value. Look at the price BJK was last year and look how it performed. At the end of the day, the horse does not know what price it is.

The same could be said of Denman (11/10), was said to be the cert of the meeting and duly went off hot fav.

Backing DC in the Champion now I believe is no value and other horses are bigger prices(each way infact) and would probably stake larger claims to next years crown.

But all in all racing is a funny game(not just football) and thats why we all have different opinions and love it too.

scojones

BobbyD10 wrote:

The same could be said of Denman (11/10), was said to be the cert of the meeting and duly went off hot fav.

Backing DC in the Champion now I believe is no value and other horses are bigger prices(each way infact) and would probably stake larger claims to next years crown.

But all in all racing is a funny game(not just football) and thats why we all have different opinions and love it too.

I don't think the same could be said of Denman as was said of BJK. Denman has never impressed me, and quite frankly I do not like the animal at all, but hey that's just me.

Do I think DC is a worthy favourite? No, not at all and especially not at that price. On the other hand, do I think Kauto is a worthy favourite? Yes I do and I've already backed it.

I agree there is no value in DC now, but that's because I don't think DC will win but will be placed. It's all a matter of opinions and we'll see how things pan out over time. It is early days yet, but yeah DC is an unworthy favourite and the price is laughable.

redzerdrog

I have to say this is my 1st time on here in about a month and i am surprised how many of you dont rate DC chances in the festival, i have been nothing but impressed with this horse since his win at last years festival..... Although I do agree that 16's on Hardy is a great price and he is a horse that usually goes better in spring.

Tubbertown1982

im not really up on my horse racing but i reckon Straw Bear has in great chance in the CH.

phantom_lord

Colonel Sanders wrote:

Detroit city will not win the champion hurdle.

A guy told me about 3 months ago that dc was a dead cert for the champion hurdle. Just passing on theinfo

ziggy

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keepitquiet

i rly dont c how u can judge dc by tht run... yes the horse hasnt proven its champion hurdle quality yet, but in tht run it certainly didnt dissapoint. it made the running in a small field race and had a few bad jumps throughout as the sun was in its eyes. at the end of the day it won and hardy eustace was never going to beat it. it did come bk at the end but it at the end of the day wasnt ever going to be able to nick it on the line! so i think tht from tht performance there are many positives from dc. however it has not proven itself to be a horse for the champion hurdle especially at them odds, but no horse has proven this yet this year. if im honest it dont think it will win the champion hurdle i fancy iktitaf but i do think tht it will be in the top 3 come march. i dont think it was fair for ppl to expect DC to win by 10 lengths against hardy wen it did all the work in the race!

ziggy

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mdwexford

Tubbertown1982 wrote:

im not really up on my horse raceing but i reckon shergar has in great chance in the CH.

id worry about my spelling rather than my horse RACING knowledge if i were you

Tubbertown1982

mdwexford wrote:

id worry about my spelling rather than my horse RACING knowledge if i were you

Give this man a gold star.

scojones

Tubbertown1982 wrote:

Give this man a gold star.

ChuckProphet

no wouldn't back DC for the CH. I think we'll win it again but not sure which horse

mdwexford

Tubbertown1982 wrote:

Give this man a gold star.

you still went back and changed your post though

any more spelling lessons just pm me :rolleyes:

Tubbertown1982

mdwexford wrote:

you still went back and changed your post though

any more spelling lessons just pm me :rolleyes:

Forget the spelling lesson pish, send me some certain tips instead

goodfela

I notice no-one here talked up Macs Joy despite him turning Brave Inca over in their last meeting - maybe the course and all the hard battles Inca had were factors but i think Macs has a chance for sure...really think the Irish horses have proved their battle hardiness and unless Detroit City had a lead going up the hill, i fancy one of our boys to tough him out...

Crumbs

I think that last week's race was more about Richard Johnson outriding O'Dwyer rather than Detroit City being better than Hardy Eustace. DC is certainly a strong Champion Hurdle contender but there's no reason why Brave Inca should not be favourite at this stage.

As for Macs Joy, I doubt he improved from Cheltenham to Punchestown last season and would still rate him one or two lengths off Brave Inca.

Tush

Tush wrote:

Any news on Feathard Lady lads????

Due back on the 2nd of Jan,Happy Days,Great News indeed.:D

fr wishy washy

Wonder what Ruby will ride in this race now.He'll be hoping AP is claimed for Straw Bear leaving him free for Brave Inca.

fade2black

Should really be riding Desert Quest...but will probably get off him pretty easily.

Tush

fade2black wrote:

Should really be riding Desert Quest...but will probably get off him pretty easily.

Yeah I would say Nichols will be very keen to keep Ruby on his horse.

Amonsol

I dont think Ruby will take long to choose which one he'd ride if he got the choice!

fr wishy washy

fade2black wrote:

Should really be riding Desert Quest...but will probably get off him pretty easily.

I can see them running this in a different race as I think it has no chance in the Champion Hurdle.