Ufc 66

Kazooie

December 30th, UFC 66. Who's lookin forward to this.
This card is absolutey loaded. Chuck v Tito great headliner, Griffin, Bisping making his debut.
Personally I can't wait to see Arlovski back in the octagon. I hope he gets his hunger back and we see another devestating knockout.
Who will win, Chuck or Tito?
Thoughts?......

mark.leonard

Chuck by savage beatdown part deux!

Dan133269

I'd say Tito might cause an upset, he seems to be at his peak.
Can't wait to see Michael "the count" Bisping, fan of his!

Valmont

They put probably the best striker in the heavyweight division against the worst striker, I predict pe de panos head will be separted from his body in the second round.

I'm looking forward to tito vs. chuck but I don't really care who wins. I'm sick of watching Chuck 'rematches'.

Hopefully griffen or evans will get a shot sometime next year.

Dragan

I'm kind of getting the feeling that poor Pe De Pano is being worked out of the org to be honest. At the end of the day Arlovski's last fight was a title fight, Cruz's last fight was a loss, and his fight before that was a victory over a broken Mir. As such, there is no real reason to think that he has worked his way up to a man who's last two fights involved the belt.

Pe De Pano, i fear your getting screwed.

With regard to Chuck Vs Tito, a clever man puts the difference in out come down to wrestling. Chuck stays standing he wins, Tito takes him down and keeps him down Tito wins. We all know Chuck can sprawl, and he has a nasty habit of getting back up after someone takes him down.....however this time Tito has an wrestler partner who was good enough to make it to the American Olympic training camps. Hamill is a better wrestler than Tito. Tito has said this himself....so you can expect Tito to improve from wrestling with Hamill.

The real question is will he improve enough?

Jardine has a fantastic opportuinity right now. No better way to get yourself up there than by stomping a popular fighter. You instantly grow in the crowds mind. However, Jardine is a sloppy fighter. Against Tito and Bonnar i was impressed with how visibly sharper Griffens hands hand become, he was going right down the middle a lot, no more looping hands and he was snapping some heads back on a regular basis. I do however expect Jardine to kick the legs off Griffen all night. Anyway, i reckon this will be a suprise good scrap....both guys have a lot to fight for.

fatal

i cant wait to see this one!!!!!!!!Im looking foward,as always to seeing forrest griffin and Arlovski back in the octagon.
Other than that cant wait to seeing chuck knock tito out again with a those vicious combinations(or that right looping overhand punch) and also mike bisping is fighting so that'll be interesting.
Looks like this is going to be the UFC ppv of the year and lets hope it is as good as it sounts

King of Fools

Wait, If this is being staged da 30th of Dec, it wont be aired til the next night on Bravo.. 31th.. new years eve? GRR!!
Unless they show it in redz on new years.. that would be cool..

Kazooie

I'm hopin bravo have the sense to delay it till after new years. Surely they will. Good God they better.

Maturin

Dragan wrote:

however this time Tito has an wrestler partner who was good enough to make it to the American Olympic training camps. Hamill is a better wrestler than Tito. Tito has said this himself....so you can expect Tito to improve from wrestling with Hamill.

The real question is will he improve enough?

Not to sure if Hamill is going to make all that big a difference here. Randy was a better wrestler probably than Tito will ever be, even when he was 41. So, by training with Hamill Tito can improve his wrestling but still, in my opinon, not get to a level that Couture was at, when Chuck beat him, twice.

No, and I posted on this on the Chuck-Tito thread if you want to have a look, Tito would be better training with someone who is good off their back and can work themselves back up from there as Chuck can. The last person who you'd want for that is a wrestler like Hamill, because generally wrestlers suck when there on their back.

Tito's main asset is ground and pound in full guard, Chuck can counter this, first with his sprawl and then with his freakish ability to be able to stand back up, better than anybody else, and in particular better than wrestlers like Hamill.

Tito needs to train to improve in ways that will allow him to beat Chuck, mainly he needs to ensure he doesn't get knocked out by Chuck before the fight goes on long enough for a little fatigue to set in to Chuck and for him to lose that 'pop back up' ability, as he did in the first fight with Randy.

Tito will be able to take Chuck down, Hamill or no, Tito is stonger than Chuck. The problem is being able to avoid getting knocked out for long enough to be able to keep him down. Do I think he'll be able to do this. Yes, this is the biggest threat to Chuck's belt since he gained it, but ultimately on the balance of probabilities, I think Chuck will knock Tito out again.

Hamill is awesome though, can't wait to see him fight Bisbing, can't wait to see Bisbing fight, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait...have to though....

fatal

Maturin wrote:

Not to sure if Hamill is going to make all that big a difference here. Randy was a better wrestler probably than Tito will ever be, even when he was 41. So, by training with Hamill Tito can improve his wrestling but still, in my opinon, not get to a level that Couture was at, when Chuck beat him, twice.

No, and I posted on this on the Chuck-Tito thread if you want to have a look, Tito would be better training with someone who is good off their back and can work themselves back up from there as Chuck can. The last person who you'd want for that is a wrestler like Hamill, because generally wrestlers suck when there on their back.

Tito's main asset is ground and pound in full guard, Chuck can counter this, first with his sprawl and then with his freakish ability to be able to stand back up, better than anybody else, and in particular better than wrestlers like Hamill.

Tito needs to train to improve in ways that will allow him to beat Chuck, mainly he needs to ensure he doesn't get knocked out by Chuck before the fight goes on long enough for a little fatigue to set in to Chuck and for him to lose that 'pop back up' ability, as he did in the first fight with Randy.

Tito will be able to take Chuck down, Hamill or no, Tito is stonger than Chuck. The problem is being able to avoid getting knocked out for long enough to be able to keep him down. Do I think he'll be able to do this. Yes, this is the biggest threat to Chuck's belt since he gained it, but ultimately on the balance of probabilities, I think Chuck will knock Tito out again.

Hamill is awesome though, can't wait to see him fight Bisbing, can't wait to see Bisbing fight, can't wait, can't wait, can't wait...have to though....

thats ALL that matters

Maturin

Fair enough Fatal, but do you think Tito can win?

fatal

Maturin wrote:

Fair enough Fatal, but do you think Tito can win?

If he manages to ground chuck and IF he can manage to counter chucks ability of popping right back up,I think the pendulum will swing slowly towards tito depending on how long he can stay on top of chuck....

cmb.

King of Fools wrote:

Wait, If this is being staged da 30th of Dec, it wont be aired til the next night on Bravo.. 31th.. new years eve? GRR!!
Unless they show it in redz on new years.. that would be cool..

no - bravo are holding back until jan 1st for ufc 66 - for obvious reasons

Tim_Murphy

Ortiz by beatdown, GNP style!

Darkwarrior

Has everyone forgotten Tito's performance against Forrest Griffin. His hands are ten times better than they were when he and Chuck fought the first time around. Also, not only does he train with that Hamill guy, more notably I think is the fact that he trains with Rampage who schooled Liddell on his feet in Pride. Yeah I know Chuck could very well knock him out again, but I think there's a few people who are foolishly writing off Tito here. Personally I don't really care who wins but I think Tito's in with a chance to cause an upset!

fatal

Darkwarrior wrote:

Has everyone forgotten Tito's performance against Forrest Griffin.

.......the one which he pretty much lost?;)
Yea I remember that VERY well and if that was anything to go by then tito will be lucky to last one round with chuck this time around.
In my opinion tito doesnt deserve a title shot just yet.I dont think that he has proved himself.He has beaten the likes of ken shamrock twice, which is no surprise seeing as the guy should have retired long ago.Also his "win" over forest griffin was nothing that made him stand out in his division.Infact,it made forest griffin stand out