Question

nollaig

Not too sure if I have the right forum here.

But I was refused by a bouncer to go into a bar on Friday night. I had not been drinking and am 23 (However, he didnt even ask for id).

I asked why I was refused and he said "No Reason".

I have been in the pub a few times before and never had a problem there.

Are pubs actually allowed to do this, Just refuse you for no reason, surely they must tell you why you are being refused whether its your age, clothes, shoes etc.

hullaballoo

No, the owner can reserve the right of admission, and doesn't have to give a reason not to let you in.

In fact, from a legal perspective, it's better for them if they don't give a reason because if they do give a reason, and that reason is discriminatory, contrary to the Equal Status Acts, then they can be fined etc.

All of that said, it's still terrible business practice, and I really don't know how pubs in Ireland think they can get away with it.

I mean, then they complain about how business has been affected by the smoking ban etc. Utter bullsiht. If they tried addressing their customers properly, they might find that they'd come back.

It's funny though, I work in a pub when I'm not cramming my brain full of useless information, and I will openly admit that I'm not exactly sweet as pie to customers. The attitude rubs off on you.

Trojan911

Nollaig,

Try contacting the owner of the bar and air your grevience with him/her with a view to resolving the issue using tact & diplomacy. Unfortunately in my experience, (work related), a lot but not all, door staff are not known for their intelligence i.e. more brawn than brain...

TJ911...

Overheal

Devil's Advocate: I love the right to admission. I mean, okay, I've never personally been refused anywhere, but it is nice to know that the publican doesn't have to accept every thirsty piece of scum that comes knocking. That wasn't an implication: but consider that the pros can outweigh the cons.

Also consider it might not always be 'discriminatory' and that some places can sometimes fill to their desired capacity (I say desired because while you could very well fit over 2000 people in the club I work at, why the hell would you want to? a B-O sauna, thats what you would get ) or some other reason. Either way, I strongly advise against provoking Security personnel; extreme-ass-kissing goes miles

Fey!

As Overheal said, there could be many reasons. They may have seen you walking up the street, you could have staggered, and they may have assumed you had a skinful. They may have stopped the person in front of you and not been able to let anyone in before he went away. They may have been full. They could have a manager inside on a radio saying "let him in, don't let him in" (this happens a lot).

Also, they don't have to give a reason, and legally they're better off not to give a reason, as with current legislation they can be taken on for nearly any reason they give.

@ Trogan911; you may not realise it, but a lot of doorstaff have degrees and PHDs. I know several people in the legal fraternity who have worked on or still work on doors.
Judging by many of your posts I've seen, they're probably a hell of a lot more intelligent than you.

Time Magazine

Fey! wrote:

@ Trogan911; you may not realise it, but a lot of doorstaff have degrees and PHDs

Lol, how many bouncers have PhDs?

Fey!

Ibid wrote:

Lol, how many bouncers have PhDs?

3 that I know in Galway. Funny ol' world, ain't it?

I also know at least another 3 who have their own business', and a couple of teachers who all bounce.