what should i do here?

robinlacey

2/5 cash game over the weekend,its 5 handed at this stage,i have 1500 and the villain covers...

i've been raising and reraising a lot,villain is getting sick of it,keeps doing this thing where he goes for his chips as if to raise to see if i'll react,then folding when i don't react...

he's done it literally around 5 or 6 times now,each time with a real sly look on his face like he's a crafty character and i have no idea what he's doing

anyway,he then obviously decides to take this one step further
folded to him on the button,he makes it 25,i make it 100 from the BB with J8s,folded back to him,he thinks about it,says "raise",i wait to see how much he's going to say,i'm probably going to fold but i wouldnt be surprised if he minraises so i say nothing....

he messes with his chips for a seconds,i still don't react,then he says "only joking" and folds,certain by now that he's the cleverest man in all of ireland...

anyway,i just mucked as well and took down the pot,but it occurred to me afterwards that there was another option...

could i have insisted that his raise was binding,force him to at least minraise,and then push over this raise?
partially to get the extra 100 euro,but also to teach him a lesson,since as far as i'm concerned he was cheating by declaring a raise and then mucking...

cardshark202

Once he declares raise, he has to raise. I like the idea of making him min-raise and then shoving.

cooker3

ha what a tool.

Yeah he should be made raise, verbal bets are binding, surprised dealer didn't make him stick it in.

Hectorjelly

Was he wearing a jacket? Cause you could probably ask him for a loan of it.

biteme

Yes I'm pretty sure they would of given the ruling that the raise was binding even after he has mucked his hand.

I'd quite happily call for the ruling in this spot too. It is blatant cheating..

valor

haha making him min raises and shoving sounds like fun

robinlacey

now i wish i'd done it!

MrPillowTalk

I cant believe you let him away with this, 100% i make him put the raise in.

bohsman

If I had been dealing that table I would have stopped him from mucking his cards and made him minraise. Any half decent dealer would have done the same.

Hitman Actual

One reason for keeping quiet, though, is that you don't want him to get in a huff and leave the table. You're obviously capable of outplaying him (he sounds like a right tool), so you stand a good chance of getting his stack anyway. Keep him happy. Just a thought.

Although, if you think that enforcing the raise would tilt him, then go for that too. But I wouldn't necessarily bother for the sake of the extra hundred euro.

robinlacey

yeah it did occur to me that one reason not to do it is to keep the fish happy,i don't know how he would have reacted,and i'm fairly nonconfrontational in general anyway....
as for saying you wouldn't bother for the extra hundred euro,a hundred euro is 20 big blinds in this game,it's well worth bothering about...

Goodluck2me

lenny_leonard wrote:

But I wouldn't necessarily bother for the sake of the extra hundred euro.

any chance of a loan of 100 euro? ill give it back to you..whenever

DapperGent

There was ample dickheadery at those tables. First time I've ever been blatantly slowrolled when it wasn't Chinese Poker. I was bewildered. That's fun is it?

Lafortezza

DapperGent wrote:

There was ample dickheadery at those tables. First time I've ever been blatantly slowrolled when it wasn't Chinese Poker. I was bewildered. That's fun is it?

Details?

nicnicnic

think i no the guy did you stack him did he get stacked eventually

DapperGent

lafortezza wrote:

Details?

River puts 4 flush on board. I call a bet from first to act, he shows one card for bottom pair I'm already tossing over my two cards. He waits a little and flips the other for nut flush. lol

Hitman Actual

goodluck2me wrote:

any chance of a loan of 100 euro? ill give it back to you..whenever

I'll transfer it to your stars account. I will get it back, won't I?

Okay, I phrased that slightly wrong. But if I thought he'd leave the table, then I'd give up the €100 in the hope of doubling through him for €1500.