When does it get hard

Arthurdaly

All the top players have natural personality, thats what makes them the big bux! Get lucky and win a big tournament, then live off endorsements and promotions. Dumb people see this and think they will be the next big thing, not gonna happen, maybe for a fraction of a %.
True, not all people who play poker are addicts but i think anyone that posts on a poker forum is overly interested in poker.
Whatever floats your boat but there are sacrafices to be made and thats my point.

El Stuntman

Arthurdaly wrote:

All the top players have natural personality, thats what makes them the big bux! Get lucky and win a big tournament, then live off endorsements and promotions. Dumb people see this and think they will be the next big thing, not gonna happen, maybe for a fraction of a %.
True, not all people who play poker are addicts but i think anyone that posts on a poker forum is overly interested in poker.
Whatever floats your boat but there are sacrafices to be made and thats my point.

there are some top players who have absolutely horrible personalities!!

your point is silly, are people who post on soccer forums overly interested in soccer? what about sex forums? get a grip

elaborate on these 'sacrifices'!! personally I think you're unhealthily obsessed with imposing your own narrow viewpoint on people

Arthurdaly

Big difference with football forums, its healthy.
Your in the degenerate minority bud
Ok, addicts usually react this way, get angry and deny they have a problem.
Ask yourself a few questions. 1 Whats your motivation for playing poker
2 Could you stop playing for a period of time.

For example, would you think playing online poker for a living is a positive or meaningfull existence?

El Stuntman

Arthurdaly wrote:

Big difference with football forums, its healthy.
Your in the degenerate minority bud
Ok, addicts usually react this way, get angry and deny they have a problem.
Ask yourself a few questions. 1 Whats your motivation for playing poker
2 Could you stop playing for a period of time.

For example, would you think playing online poker for a living is a positive or meaningfull existence?

I'm not angry, rather I'm amused at the paucity of your arguments. Addication = unhealthy behaviour, I don't think me playing poker for an hour when I feel like it is unhealthy behaviour?
Playing it for 12 hours straight and neglecting my family would be unhealthy...

But to answer your questions;
My motivation to play is (a) challenge/competition and (b) fun.
I have often stopped playing for periods of time

I don't play online poker for a living and I think you'll find that the majority of forum members here don't either....
As to whether it's a meaningful existence, is it any more meaningful than say, pushing paper in an office or packing boxes in a factory? You're your own boss, work your own hours (and you pay no tax!). Sounds good to me - if I was good enough, I'd do it. is this addiction or a smart career move?

Arthurdaly

Very funny....i think i made my point. U aspire to sit at home by yourself and play online poker for a living.
I would rather shovel sh**it for a living. If thats the capacity of your ambitions, fair play. The majority of regular posters here are addicted to poker whether they care to admit or not, as i said denial is a a sure sign.
Laters.

Richard W

Arthurdaly wrote:

The majority of regular posters here are addicted to poker whether they care to admit or not, as i said denial is a a sure sign.
Laters.

Do you deny the notion that you're an alcoholic? If so then it's a sure sign you are one, clearly. :rolleyes:

El Stuntman

Arthurdaly wrote:

Very funny....i think i made my point. U aspire to sit at home by yourself and play online poker for a living.
I would rather shovel sh**it for a living. If thats the capacity of your ambitions, fair play. The majority of regular posters here are addicted to poker whether they care to admit or not, as i said denial is a a sure sign.
Laters.

this discussion is pointless, goodbye

enjoy the shovelling btw, kind of encapsulates your personality

Hitman Actual

What a strange sequence of posts. Are you:

a) A forum regular having a laugh, or

b) Just your average angry troll?

max_power

Arthurdaly wrote:

Very funny....i think i made my point. U aspire to sit at home by yourself and play online poker for a living.
I would rather shovel sh**it for a living. If thats the capacity of your ambitions, fair play. The majority of regular posters here are addicted to poker whether they care to admit or not, as i said denial is a a sure sign.
Laters.

I'm sure your gonna reply with an "intelligent" or patronising remark about addiction blah blah etc but anyway, who invited captain wreck the buzz? (arthur). How can you possibly say the majority of people here are addicted to poker, and we they are because they post on a poker forum. It's a common ground for people to discuss what for most people is a hobby, and for those lucky ones that play pro, it's no more than asking for advice from a colleague. After saying this i think Arthur is purely winding anyone up, i refuse to believe anyone could be that narrow minded!

El Stuntman

max_power wrote:

After saying this i think Arthur is purely winding anyone up, i refuse to believe anyone could be that narrow minded!

frighteningly enough, he seems to be for real....:eek:

maybe he's Michael McDowell?

max_power

El Stuntman wrote:

frighteningly enough, he seems to be for real....:eek:

maybe he's Michael McDowell?

It is McDowell! You've cracked it stuntman

Arthurdaly

Funnily enough my work colleauges dont advise me on the drawing odds of hitting a flush whilst getting my coffee.
Thank gawd there's places for people like ye, only wish there was somewhere in the virtual world that ye could be locked away to perish.

El Stuntman

Arthurdaly wrote:

Funnily enough my work colleauges dont advise me on the drawing odds of hitting a flush whilst getting my coffee.
Thank gawd there's places for people like ye, only wish there was somewhere in the virtual world that ye could be locked away to perish.

we play against real people too you know

come into the Sporting Emporium some night and play the E50 freezeout, you might enjoy it....

(unless you trust yourself so little that you think this will be start of a downward spiral that will end with you selling your degenerate ass to strangers under a bridge in order to fund the buy-in to your next poker tournament?)

Hitman Actual

Arthurdaly wrote:

Some intelligent guys post in the poker section, to name a few:
NOD, hector, manc, lucky, devore.

So who are you really? For a guy who thinks this is a forum for degenerates, you seem to know a lot a bit about the regulars. Read it a lot, do you? And who is "manc"? Is "lucky" Lucky LLoyd or Luckylucky?

shoutman

Arthur is not just appearing narrow minded but also totally ignorant.

To say that the top players have got personalitys then get lucky and live off endorsements is absolute nonsense!

All the top professionals are multi millionaires earning far more then the top European pro golfers, probably most of the USPGA golfers too (with the exception of one or two but I dont have the facts on that.)

Arthur you are obviously coming here with virtually no knowledge of poker or the poker scene in Ireland.

For the vast majority of people who post on here, Poker is a hobby and nothing more. I myself play poker for purely social reasons and also it helps me to indulge in my competitive side away from contact sports. I have made what I am sure will end up to be lifelong friends through poker. And if I spend one night a week playing poker in a card room in town makes me a addicted gambler then 90% of Irish peoples are chronic alcoholics. An absolutely ridiculous statement to make. Yes there are a few on here who are incredibly talented and earn enough to make a living out of poker, but I dont see how being a professional poker player means that they lack ambition. It mearly shows that the are using their own talents to maximise their potential.
I'm sure I am correct in saying that some of the people on here who play poker as a profession are earning more (if not an awful lot more) then they had done in their previous jobs.

Arthur you are clearly one of these people who catergorize poker players as gamblers saying that everything is based on the turn of a card and poker is 100% luck. That is absolute nonsense and once again it would show your ignorance.

I could go on for days ranting and raving about how illogical your argument is but quite I have better things to do.

Good night.

max_power

shoutman wrote:

Arthur is not just appearing narrow minded but also totally ignorant.

To say that the top players have got personalitys then get lucky and live off endorsements is absolute nonsense!

All the top professionals are multi millionaires earning far more then the top European pro golfers, probably most of the USPGA golfers too (with the exception of one or two but I dont have the facts on that.)

Arthur you are obviously coming here with virtually no knowledge of poker or the poker scene in Ireland.

For the vast majority of people who post on here, Poker is a hobby and nothing more. I myself play poker for purely social reasons and also it helps me to indulge in my competitive side away from contact sports. I have made what I am sure will end up to be lifelong friends through poker. And if I spend one night a week playing poker in a card room in town makes me a addicted gambler then 90% of Irish peoples are chronic alcoholics. An absolutely ridiculous statement to make. Yes there are a few on here who are incredibly talented and earn enough to make a living out of poker, but I dont see how being a professional poker player means that they lack ambition. It mearly shows that the are using their own talents to maximise their potential.
I'm sure I am correct in saying that some of the people on here who play poker as a profession are earning more (if not an awful lot more) then they had done in their previous jobs.

Arthur you are clearly one of these people who catergorize poker players as gamblers saying that everything is based on the turn of a card and poker is 100% luck. That is absolute nonsense and once again it would show your ignorance.

I could go on for days ranting and raving about how illogical your argument is but quite I have better things to do.

Good night.

And thats the end of that chapter....

Arthurdaly

Max power you dont know what your talking about!
To say the top professionals are multimillionraies is garbage.
Those guys can go broke at any time, millionaire one day in the red the next.
If you dont know that your pretty stupid.
You will note i never mentioned gamling, did i?
Its calculated gambling, u decide the odds.
Your telling me that someone who posts over a thousand posts on poker isnt overly interested in poker? Your kidding yourself buddy!

cardshark202

lenny_leonard wrote:

So who are you really? For a guy who thinks this is a forum for degenerates, you seem to know a lot a bit about the regulars. Read it a lot, do you? And who is "manc"? Is "lucky" Lucky LLoyd or Luckylucky?

or luckyvegas. lol

cardshark202

Top golfers make much more than top poker players though.

shoutman

Last post I just cant let this ignorance slide.

Arthur could you please do me a favour and tell me everything you know about poker and what poker professionals you have heard of.

You do realise the days of betting your fathers country estate in a game of cards ended in the seventeenth century?

At this stage I would say between online and offline poker there is at least one hundred self made millionaires.
Ranging from Chris Moneymaker, to Doyle Brunson, to Phil Ivey, to Gigabet and a host of other online highrollers.
So to say the top professionals arent multimillionaires is not garbage it is plain fact. And the IRS in the U.S.A. will tell you the same.

And no Arthur you do not decide the odds if that was the case i'm sure it wouldnt work as everyone would just select 100% chance of winning.....

And yes of course people are interested in Poker who post on here, but we dont all soley post on here, me for example also have a "chronic addiction" in your words to Football manager and I post regularly on that forum as well as a few other foras, does this mean I am overly interested in Football Management? I don't think so I merely do what I enjoy. I am harming no one and it does not intrude on my studies.

And even if we do soley post here it brings back up the arguement of for example if people post alot in the Sexuality forum, does that make them sex addicts? or people who post in the religious forum does that make them all fundamentalist extremists?

Hitman Actual

lenny_leonard wrote:

What a strange sequence of posts. Are you:

a) A forum regular having a laugh, or

b) Just your average angry troll?

On reflection, I think our friend Arthur is a combination of a) and b). Time to stop feeding him, I think.

Edit: Probably not angry though. Just having a laugh. Nice one! We are amused!!

Ste05

Arthurdaly wrote:

Your telling me that someone who posts over a thousand posts on poker isnt overly interested in poker? Your kidding yourself buddy!

What about someone that has over a 1,000 posts about Wine, are they overly interested in Drink and therefore automatically alcoholics, or do they just have an interest in enjoying the best bottle of wine possible within their budget. How about someone with over a 1,000 posts about food, do they automatically have an eating problem and are almost certainly obese. If you want to check out whether this could ever be possible check out these forums.

May we ask what your hobbies are? You know ours so why not let us even the playing field slightly. Maybe it's something that we won't understand, but I'd hope we'd have the maturity not to automatically assume there's something inherently wrong with your personality.

I'm fairly certain your just another troll, but on the off chance you're not, it might be nice to try and educate the ignorant, just one of the great uses of a public forum such as this.

sikes

that was a good way to spend your friday night arthur wasnt it?

Mr.Fiddle, my new sarcasometre is on its way, this one is no good

Hitman Actual

Online for about four hours, he was. Wonder what site he was playing on? Or maybe it was just a mammoth "flogging on" session.

Ste05

lenny_leonard wrote:

Online for about four hours, he was. Wonder what site he was playing on? Or maybe it was just a mammoth "flogging on" session.

LOL, at least we have a good excuse...

Mr. Flibble

What a mess I have returned to :rolleyes:

Regards the odds, all your models must be wrong. I played 4 tables for 10 hrs last night and must have seen 50 flops and hit but two sets. Arthurdaly's reasoning is on par with mine.

Anyway, I have created another thread which I hope people will discuss the original question.

ArmaniJeanss

Hey, Flibble, yet again a thread of yours will go down in infamy (you were the card washer last year, werent you).

Regarding sets, your maths (25/1 or whatever) is wrong.

Its all in inverse proportion to whether you actually need a set or not.

i.e. If you are deep stacked, say 100+ BBs and you call a 3xBB pre-flop raise with a low pocket pair, then you flop a set roughly 1 in 70 times.

If however you have KK against a shortstack who goes all-in for 2BB with 97o, then the software mocks you by giving you a set about 1 in 3 times (quads about 1 in 7).

Not to worry, its all degenerate gambling anyway.

Mr. Flibble

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Hey, Flibble, yet again a thread of yours will go down in infamy (you were the card washer last year, werent you).

Regarding sets, your maths (25/1 or whatever) is wrong.

Its all in inverse proportion to whether you actually need a set or not.

i.e. If you are deep stacked, say 100+ BBs and you call a 3xBB pre-flop raise with a low pocket pair, then you flop a set roughly 1 in 70 times.

If however you have KK against a shortstack who goes all-in for 2BB with 97o, then the software mocks you by giving you a set about 1 in 3 times (quads about 1 in 7).

Not to worry, its all degenerate gambling anyway.

Yes, that was I who once mixed laundering and gambling.

Your maths makes alot more sense to me than some of these 7.5:1 weirdos'.

Tar.Aldarion

Mr. Flibble wrote:

What a mess I have returned to :rolleyes:

Regards the odds, all your models must be wrong. I played 4 tables for 10 hrs last night and must have seen 50 flops and hit but two sets. Arthurdaly's reasoning is on par with mine.

not that I know how they are programmed. I doubt that the programming of these sites can account for randomeness. Also, if there is a chance of something happening it doesn't mean it will in the short term.
Two sets flopped against me last night in three hands and on Monday I flopped three sets of 5's in a row!
I imagine that these things balance out in the end.

Mr. Flibble

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

not that I know how they are programmed. I doubt that the programming of these sites can account for randomeness. Also, if there is a chance of something happening it doesn't mean it will in the short term.
Two sets flopped against me last night in three hands and on Monday I flopped three sets of 5's in a row!
I imagine that these things balance out in the end.

This whole thread is a very funny mess!