Why not Maximuscle

davyjose

I've been using maximuscle products for a while now, and have to say am fairly happy with their products. Yes they are expensive, but they are easy to use, readily available and offer pretty straight-forward advice on what your getting.
So why am I hearing so much negative press on them. Are they really that bad?

Dragan

In short. The only thing i respect about Maximuscle is there marketing. The price of there stuff is just silly, their claims are just silly.

They charge stupid money for whey and all in ones that you can get cheaper from other companies.

And don't even get me started on things like ZMA and GH-Kick from them. :rolleyes:

daveirl

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tribulus

davyjose wrote:

Yes they are expensive, but they are easy to use, readily available and offer pretty straight-forward advice on what your getting.

Honestly I could say the same about plenty of other companies just without the expensive part. Shop around, either online or various places in town and you'll notice straight away.

yomchi

Maximuscle placed 10 grand on the table in front of a guy just turned pro in the world of body building. They wanted him to be on their literature and commending their products. He refused point blank. He said he wouldn't put his word to stuff thats below par and stuff he wouldn't use himself.

Its not my place to name him, but I do know he went with a reputible nutrition company for free!

That says it all really

Dragan

daveirl wrote:

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Indeed it is, so when i can get a months worth from Biotest for 7.50euro why would i pay Maximuscle 30euro for it?

daveirl

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davyjose

Jon wrote:

Maximuscle placed 10 grand on the table in front of a guy just turned pro in the world of body building. They wanted him to be on their literature and commending their products. He refused point blank. He said he wouldn't put his word to stuff thats below par and stuff he wouldn't use himself.

Its not my place to name him, but I do know he went with a reputible nutrition company for free!

That says it all really

That's fair enough, but why? What is it that makes them inferior.
Also, I DO know that one or two professional Rugby teams use their products, which given the levels of fitness required, I can't imagine them using poor products.

Dragan

davyjose wrote:

That's fair enough, but why? What is it that makes them inferior.
Also, I DO know that one or two professional Rugby teams use their products, which given the levels of fitness required, I can't imagine them using poor products.

Actually not strictly true. When a whole Team is sponsored it's just the head coach/manager or whoever saying "oh yeah, we used such and such…it's awesome"….just like any other sponsorship deal it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Do you really think Justin Timberlake and Destinys child are "Loving" McDonalds or there pay check?

A sponsorship deal for a club means money….it's means maybe being able to afford better equipment of that really good strenght and conditioning coach. Just because a team has agreed to endorse a product does not mean they use…..or that it is good.

tribulus

I think that's the thing about maximuscle. They've succesfully managed to market it to a more "mainstream" audience by using the likes of josh lewsey/wasps etc.

I think people are more inclined to buy it seeing an obviously fit but not huge sportsman rather than markus ruhl grinning like an axe murderer while holding a tub of whey!

To the OP: Just compare a tub of promax to the likes of reflex whey or prox, the amino profile is very similiar as is amount per 100g etc etc. Then look at the price , I remember paying 48euro for 2lbs :eek: of promax where as now I get 10lbs of good whey for 75euro. It's more than a few euros difference!

because_I_can

personally i think they have good products, great marketing (very dubious claims) but are ridiculously expensive.

They're not the best - obviously the best is your own mixed up to suit yourself but if you're a beginner you'll get great gains from cyclone without the hassle of having to worry about mixing etc.

that'll come later.

Fvck it - respect to anyone who can charge €70 for a kg of whey, some glutamine and mono and not only get away with it but be a leader in the market!!

Dragan

Gah, I'm going to burn off into marketing speak now so forgive me……

….but the very basis of any product is how it is marketed. To go outside of sports nutrition products look at fizzy drinks. Coca Cola and Pepsi are considered to be two of the greats brand stamps in history. I can walk up to anyone, who speaks any language and say "Pepsi" or "Coca Cola" and they know what you mean. The image driven by Pepsi is far different to the one driven by Coca Cola though.

Over the last five years especially Pepsi have been very celeb driven…using various singers, football players and other celebs to push there brand. The whole "Pepsi Max" thing of "live life to the max"….the implication that having a Pepsi makes you different somehow, shows that you take life by the scruff etc. It doesn't actually mean anything….they are both just fizzy drinks with a massive market. There is an argument that Coke could never do another TV add again and there sales would never drop. But it's all about brand re-invention and staying in the public eye.

Some products just never need to elaborate….Coke, Pepsi, Microsoft….you know what they are…..they can do odd and strange adds and just go with it. Look at Guiness….some of the best advertising in the world, without a doubt.

Now lets go back to Sport Nutrition. You always need to put forward the ideal body….why else would people by your product? They have this dream physique and for right or wrong they want to know that the product you put out is used by people who look like they want to look and play like they want to play.

As Trib said, who is more attractive to the normal person, Markus Ruckus or a Wasps player? Branding, sponsorship and advertising in the sports supplement industry is largely there just to get your product out to the target audience. For Maximuscle that target audience is the "young and unknowing" group. You associate success with your product and in the eyes of the target market that equals success. I don't know that many people "in the know" who use Maximuscle…all have found a better alternative and yet Maximuscle sales are still very good?

Why is that?

Because they get the young guys and girls who don't know any better and are coming into the game……and that market stays the same or grows each year, because as there customers become educated and move on more people come in to fill that gap.

davyjose

Dragan wrote:

Actually not strictly true. When a whole Team is sponsored it's just the head coach/manager or whoever saying "oh yeah, we used such and such…it's awesome"….just like any other sponsorship deal it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Do you really think Justin Timberlake and Destinys child are "Loving" McDonalds or there pay check?

A sponsorship deal for a club means money….it's means maybe being able to afford better equipment of that really good strenght and conditioning coach. Just because a team has agreed to endorse a product does not mean they use…..or that it is good.

Josh Lewsey, a Wasps player, and Wasps are both endorsed by Maximuscle. If the head coach of a team endorses their products, then surely that implies that these are the products the club will give to their players.
Now i can't imagine a professional, and recently successful outfit using inferior products, nor a player who has won everything in his game.
I take on the point you make about McDonald's/Timberlake et al, but sports nutrition is a very fina and delicate area. False advertisement is the key here: I wouldn't buy Cyclobe if JT advertised it, but sportsmen ... that's a different thing.

I DO agree about the price, and part of the reason for asking this is because I want to move on, but where to. Maximuscle are (despite overenthusiastic claims) the only ones who seem to tell me what such and such product will do to my body.

cowzerp

Generally most supplements are the same-whey is whey-etc..
maximuscle are basically supplying good products but they can be got else where for cheaper-the only 1 thing i will say is that the bigger a company the more they can spend money on developing the best products-as stated-most supplements are the same.

yomchi

Through my own circles of friends I've heard Sylvio Simac doesn't use Maximuscle but he's in everyone of their brochures. There's another Irish body builder in them too that doesn't use their products.. like Dragan said, they are happy to take their pay cheques.

Dragan

davyjose wrote:

Josh Lewsey, a Wasps player, and Wasps are both endorsed by Maximuscle. If the head coach of a team endorses their products, then surely that implies that these are the products the club will give to their players.

Implies eh? It sure does.

Without meaning this to sound derogatory I assume you are pretty young? The only reason I say that is because that’s exactly the same way I used to look at it. Whatever you might think I can pretty happily tell you that the supplement industry is no different to any other big business…..especially ones with very little regulation. It's not all entirely honest. In fact a lot of it is not very honest at all.

Now then, it would be great to think that Josh Lewsey standing there saying "Oh yeah, I used Brand A" is because he exclusively believes in it, but it's not. It's because Josh Lewsey is getting paid to say that. Maximuscle did not make Josh Lewsey a great player or Wasps a great team. The right diet, the right exercise program and a whole lot of hard work and love of his sport did….Maximuscle just saw a successful guy who would appeal to the people they want to appeal to and offered him money.

Now, maybe he does or does not use them….that is not really the issue. The issue is that what he says is paid for. Simple as. I have noticed that the three supplement companies I truly respect don't go in for "sponsored athletes"…..once again these three companies are the three that make there own products as opposed to contract manufacturers to do so and these are the same three companies that I feel will give anyone great results. Funnily enough there are also some of the least heavily marketed and come in the mid to low range of cost.

Now you can call that co-incidence if you want, or you can call it a lot of clues as to how things work?

Either way you asked why not maximuscle and you were given reasons. The choice is really yours now, to buy a more expensive supplement and get less, or to buy a cheaper one and get more. Either way, your results will be the same.

yomchi

Generally most supplements are the same-whey is whey-

I wouldn't agree completely. Whey can come in different forms. Concentrate, isolate, hydrolised, micro filtered etc etc

cowzerp

Jon wrote:

I wouldn't agree completely. Whey can come in different forms. Concentrate, isolate, hydrolised, micro filtered etc etc

yes and the differences are minimal-now your listening to the marketing people.:rolleyes:

yomchi

cowzerp wrote:

yes and the differences are minimal-now your listening to the marketing people.:rolleyes:

Not at all my good man. Ask a lactose intolerant person how they feel after consuming only whey concentrate and they'll tell you from the jax pot!

The specifications for whey isolate and whey concentrate are far from minimal in some regards.

Listen to the marketing people?? I AM the marketing people

trollybus

Can we please make this a sticky.

yomchi

Just on a side note, Maximuscle don' even make their own products let alone research and develop their own stuff. They're just a standard company full of business men in suits selling products and making millions :rolleyes:

mloc

ever tried after sales from them? they are a horrible, horrible company to deal with. will post with the full story when ive more time. suffice to say they sold me contaminated product (i.e. poisonous) and never got back to repeated emails letters etc.

daveirl

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King of Kings

mloc wrote:

ever tried after sales from them? they are a horrible, horrible company to deal with. will post with the full story when ive more time. suffice to say they sold me contaminated product (i.e. poisonous) and never got back to repeated emails letters etc.

i must say that back in the day my bro and I ordered 4 cyclone which was late arriving and they sent us a load of free samples...I know I got 112 cyclone bars dunno what he got but it was kinda nice.

but back to the topic I know Munster rugby use them but then again they probably get them for free so don't have to bear the cost

i liked cyclone and creatamax (all i've used from them) but through research I found similar stuff a lot cheaper.

I also find they email me with a load of jazz saying the new **** is the best ever hardcore from the land of hardcore where the people are so hardcore (you get the picture:D ) and then i after a quick search on the interweb i find universal have been selling that stuff for donkeys years.

As somebody said earlier when i started taking supplements I was enticed by maximuscle cos their endorsements came from a range of athletes rather than a rake of bodybuilders. That's clever marketing.

mloc

well to clarify that story, I ordered Glutamax off them about two years ago, after having ordered a good bit of stuff off them over the previous years, in my ignorance.

It arrived 4 months after I ordered it and I opened it, to find it absolutely stank of ammonia. Anyone who's used glutamine before will recognise its unique almost cake like smell. The ammonia smell, typical of simple amines, indicated to me (i have a fair amount of experience in a chem lab!) that either it had degraded seriously or that qc had missed serious contamination in that batch.

I'm not sure how supplement companies make glutamine, whether they either break it down from proteins (doubtful) or synthesise it from more simple compounds (much more likely). As I presume its synthesised, I'd imagine some simple amines are used in its production and could end up contaminating the product.

Most simple amines are quite toxic. If I hadn't known better and consumed the product I'd be looking at some serious liver and kidney damage at this stage. I sent them several letters, emails, and unreplied to phone calls. So i gave up. Never ordered from them again.

Not only are they totally overpriced and that most of thier advice is total bs, but it also tastes comparatively like ****. Compare a tub of Promax to something like ON Gold Standard Whey and you'll immediately see what I'm talking about. As for the product endorsements, I think it's reasonable to assume it's a load of ghostwritten BS that is kept going by nice fat cheques to the relevent parties.

In short, avoid. Unless you like getting ripped off for average performing crap tasting gunk. I'd put them about half a step above Tony Quinn, and Tony Quinn... dear god. You could lay bricks with the gunk you get from thier protein powder.

King of Kings

King of Kings wrote:

i must say that back in the day my bro and I ordered 4 cyclone which was late arriving and they sent us a load of free samples...I know I got 112 cyclone bars dunno what he got but it was kinda nice..

yeah sure i did!!!
actually only got 12

King of Kings

mloc wrote:

well to clarify that story, I ordered Glutamax off them about two years ago, after having ordered a good bit of stuff off them over the previous years, in my ignorance.

It arrived 4 months after I ordered it and I opened it, to find it absolutely stank of ammonia. Anyone who's used glutamine before will recognise its unique almost cake like smell. The ammonia smell, typical of simple amines, indicated to me (i have a fair amount of experience in a chem lab!) that either it had degraded seriously or that qc had missed serious contamination in that batch.

I'm not sure how supplement companies make glutamine, whether they either break it down from proteins (doubtful) or synthesise it from more simple compounds (much more likely). As I presume its synthesised, I'd imagine some simple amines are used in its production and could end up contaminating the product.

Most simple amines are quite toxic. If I hadn't known better and consumed the product I'd be looking at some serious liver and kidney damage at this stage. I sent them several letters, emails, and unreplied to phone calls. So i gave up. Never ordered from them again.

Not only are they totally overpriced and that most of thier advice is total bs, but it also tastes comparatively like ****. Compare a tub of Promax to something like ON Gold Standard Whey and you'll immediately see what I'm talking about. As for the product endorsements, I think it's reasonable to assume it's a load of ghostwritten BS that is kept going by nice fat cheques to the relevent parties.

In short, avoid. Unless you like getting ripped off for average performing crap tasting gunk. I'd put them about half a step above Tony Quinn, and Tony Quinn... dear god. You could lay bricks with the gunk you get from thier protein powder.

wow that sounds rough.....in a way thank god they sent that tub to you cos i would have just drank it.

TerrorFirmer

It tastes so unbelievably foul. My important contribution.

davyjose

Dragan wrote:

Implies eh? It sure does.

Without meaning this to sound derogatory I assume you are pretty young? The only reason I say that is because that’s exactly the same way I used to look at it. Whatever you might think I can pretty happily tell you that the supplement industry is no different to any other big business…..especially ones with very little regulation. It's not all entirely honest. In fact a lot of it is not very honest at all.

Now then, it would be great to think that Josh Lewsey standing there saying "Oh yeah, I used Brand A" is because he exclusively believes in it, but it's not. It's because Josh Lewsey is getting paid to say that. Maximuscle did not make Josh Lewsey a great player or Wasps a great team. The right diet, the right exercise program and a whole lot of hard work and love of his sport did….Maximuscle just saw a successful guy who would appeal to the people they want to appeal to and offered him money.

Now, maybe he does or does not use them….that is not really the issue. The issue is that what he says is paid for. Simple as. I have noticed that the three supplement companies I truly respect don't go in for "sponsored athletes"…..once again these three companies are the three that make there own products as opposed to contract manufacturers to do so and these are the same three companies that I feel will give anyone great results. Funnily enough there are also some of the least heavily marketed and come in the mid to low range of cost.

Now you can call that co-incidence if you want, or you can call it a lot of clues as to how things work?

Either way you asked why not maximuscle and you were given reasons. The choice is really yours now, to buy a more expensive supplement and get less, or to buy a cheaper one and get more. Either way, your results will be the same.

I'm 27 Dragan, I don't know if that's young to you, but I'm guessing not. Perhaps a little derogatory so, but we won't fall out . I DO accept that it is somewhat of a naive outlook to believe that a corporation would never lie, but that's not quite what i meant, if you re-read my post. The fact is most of advertisements these days are monitored. This doesn't mean companies don't stretch the truth, but when an athlete says, "I use maximuscle products." Then even those of a severely sceptic nature would have to believe it.
A quick look at their website - Gavin Henson: "When I'm in training and playing I try to stick to a very strict diet; using Maximuscle products assists with this and my recovery. Chocolates, cakes, takeaways, anything with a sauce, crisps and chips are all off the menu. Strictly Cyclone and Promax." Now i know that contextually this can easily be manipulated, but the simple fact is, he USES maximuscle.

I DO take on board the issue of them being more expensive, but to be honest, that wasn't my major concern

davyjose

Jon wrote:

Just on a side note, Maximuscle don' even make their own products let alone research and develop their own stuff. They're just a standard company full of business men in suits selling products and making millions :rolleyes:

Unlike any other company ever.

You're probably all thinking i've some allegience to them. On the contrary, I'm looking to move on from their products, I just wanted to know how bad staying with them was. Now i know, thank you.

g'em

davyjose wrote:

Unlike any other company ever.

Nutrition X is an Irish company that makes and develops all their own (very high quality) products here in Ireland and they're a heapload cheaper than Maximuscle. Oh and some very nice people run the company too Jon stocks it in his shop you can get it from fitnessireland.com and of course, le webbage . I've used quite a few of their products and like them. (But darn it, their chocolate needs to be chocolate-ier!!).

If you compare Maximucle with the other brands side by side, the nutritional content is very similar (but MM does tend to have higher sugar levels in many products and the aa profile in some of their protein-based products leaves a lot to be desired) but the simple fact is they're way over-priced and way over-marketed.

slicus ricus

davyjose wrote:

A quick look at their website - Gavin Henson: "When I'm in training and playing I try to stick to a very strict diet; using Maximuscle products assists with this and my recovery. Chocolates, cakes, takeaways, anything with a sauce, crisps and chips are all off the menu. Strictly Cyclone and Promax." Now i know that contextually this can easily be manipulated, but the simple fact is, he USES maximuscle.

How do you know he uses maximuscle? Have you seen him drink their shakes or eat their bars? I've never seen him doing a post-match interview with a maximsucle product in his hand.

Even if he does use maximuscle, its because he gets it for free as part of his sponsorship deal, not because its better than any other supplement brand.

The fact of the matter is that maximuscle is overpriced - take it or leave, but dont complain about people advising others against throwing away their money on it. I will continue to recomend cheaper brands to anyone who asks and im sure the majority of people on this forum will do likewise.

justsomebloke

Maximuscle promax (2lb tub)
€22.33 per lb
nutrional info per serving (30g)
Energy 120 Kcal/497kJ
Protein 24.3
Carbohydrate 2.04g
Fats 2.07g


ON whey (10 lb bag)
€9 per lb
nutrional info per serving (29g approx)
Calories 110
Total Fat 2 g
Total Carbohydrate 2 g
Protein 23 g


Ok this info taken from the fitness ireland website. As you can see both have a similar basic nutrional profile per serving however ON comes in at over €13 per lb cheaper then the maximuscle product.
Now truthfully the maximuscle product will probably do everything you need it to do, and I also say that the stars who use it wouldn't probably use it if it wasn't in some way decent, however the big question is would the stars who are sponsered by maximuscle still use it if they wheren't sponsered by them and the answer is probably no as you can get slightly better quality products for a lot less.
Also in relation to the claims about it's products, most other similar products by different manufactores could make the same claims. So the real question is whether maximuscle will give you better results then the others and the answer is probably no, but it is still better then nothing

davyjose

slicus ricus wrote:

but dont complain about people advising others against throwing away their money on it.

I never once complained. I asked a question, and got an answer I'm happy with. However, I did question whether or not their supplements were substandard, and some said yes, some said no. For what it's worth, I've decided to stop using their products from now on.

empirix

Personally i find Maximuscle pretty good - the protein anyways, but hey each to their own. I'd have it over Pro x (or whatever its called) any day. Tony Quinns protein is Tropicanna(or what used to be known as) repackaged.

Degsy

Is Mass-X from nutritionX any good?Does it contain a lot of sugars for example?

yomchi

I'd have it over Pro x (or whatever its called) any day

Of course you've used Pro-X for long enough to know it was useless haven't you?

justsomebloke

empirix wrote:

I'd have it over Pro x (or whatever its called) any day.

you should try ON or EAS protein if you don't like Pro x, both of which are pretty good and a lot cheaper then maximuscle.

Dragan

Degsy wrote:

Is Mass-X from nutritionX any good?Does it contain a lot of sugars for example?

Energy 1602/377kCal
Protein 30g
Carbohydrates 58.2g
(of which sugars) 4.9g
Fat 2.7g
(of which saturates) 4mg
Fibre 0.6g
Sodium 62mg
Vitamin A 800mcg
Vitamin D 2.8mcg
Vitamin C 34mg
Vitamin B6 2.8mg
Folic Acid 234mcg
Vitamin B12 7mcg
Pantothenic Acid 57mg
Vitamin E 4.66mcg
Thiamin 2.43mg
Riboflavin 3mg
Niacin 28mg
Biotin 1.75mcg

yomchi

Dragan wrote:

Energy 1602/377kCal
Protein 30g
Carbohydrates 58.2g
(of which sugars) 4.9g
Fat 2.7g
(of which saturates) 4mg
Fibre 0.6g
Sodium 62mg
Vitamin A 800mcg
Vitamin D 2.8mcg
Vitamin C 34mg
Vitamin B6 2.8mg
Folic Acid 234mcg
Vitamin B12 7mcg
Pantothenic Acid 57mg
Vitamin E 4.66mcg
Thiamin 2.43mg
Riboflavin 3mg
Niacin 28mg
Biotin 1.75mcg

Any body wanna compare Mammoth

Dragan

• 50 grams of protein per serving
• Absolute best taste
• 152 grams of high quality carbohydrates
• 970 calories per serving

Thats about all you can find about Mammoth, the fact that it says nothing about carbs which sugar is generally a bad sign.

yomchi

Dragan wrote:

• 50 grams of protein per serving
• Absolute best taste
• 152 grams of high quality carbohydrates
• 970 calories per serving

Thats about all you can find about Mammoth, the fact that it says nothing about carbs which sugar is generally a bad sign.

Allow me..

per 4 scoops; or 1 serving

Calories: 920

Fats: 13g
saturates - 8g

Protein - 50g

Carbohydrates - 152g
of sugars 86g

86g!

Dragan

Mammoth Weight Gainer by Interactive Nutrition - a high protein replacement for Sucra!!!!

justsomebloke

Dragan wrote:

a high protein replacement for Sucra!!!!

actaully that mightn't be a bad business venture, protein sugar especially with the amount of Tea this country drinks

Degsy

Sweet jesus..thats what i call a weight gainer!Although eating a cup of sugar with your boiled egg in the morning woul;d be more cost effective.Its a wonder tony quinn hasnt cottoned onto this gap in the market!

Edit:
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Label Information
Daily Servings per container: 20
Daily Serving size: 60g
Amount per serving (in 250ml of semi-skimmed milk):

Energy 345 Kcal
Protein 14g
Carbohydrates 56g
-of which sugars 47g
Fat 7g
Fibre 1.1g
Sodium 0.3g

Ingredients:
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Recommended use:
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!!!150 grams of sugar per day!!!

Dragan

It's called "Crash" because that what happens your insulin levels after prolonged use.

Degsy

Its a fecking disgrace that there's crap like this on the market.The picture on the front shows a youthfull joe weider with his arms crossed heroicly not somebody with gerry ryan jowls.Its target is young weedy males who think this stuff is gonna turn them into muscle-bound fanny-magnets.It shouldnt be marketed at all except as a blancmange additive or something to speed up tooth decay.

Dragan

I still think its really funny that that arms crossed pic is actually based on a bust of Joe.....

....he had it made with his head on Robbie Robinsons body and was subsequently sued!!!!

As you can see there is just a small difference between them.....

Good old Joe......



Robbie......

yomchi

Dragan wrote:

Mammoth Weight Gainer by Interactive Nutrition - a high protein replacement for Sucra!!!!

guarantee'd top class diabetes type 2 before your 40!

Or you money back..

Degsy

Dragan wrote:

I still think its really funny that that arms crossed pic is actually based on a bust of Joe.....

....he had it made with his head on Robbie Robinsons body and was subsequently sued!!!!

As you can see there is just a small difference between them.....

Good old Joe......



Robbie......

Lol!I'd like to hera him doing ads on the radio with that voice of his..like Diamond Joe Quimby on helium!

empirix

jsb wrote:

you should try ON or EAS protein if you don't like Pro x, both of which are pretty good and a lot cheaper then maximuscle.

Actually i always use ON, i use maximuscle sometimes when i'm stuck getting into the city and have actually bought it(ON) in Jon's shop - since i am a phibsboro man myself. Sorry Jon but i tried Pro - X 3 times(3 big tubs) when it first came out and i thought it didn't help me at all, the only good thing about it, that it was Irish(which is why i tried it in the first place, i am quite opicky, i did notice a nice gain from using maximuscle for a few months in a row though, different strokes for different folks i guess, just giving an honest opinion. I also can't help but think that you have a stake in the business of PRO -x, as you heavily endorse them over everything else and your shop front is very very similar to the Pro X design.
I will continue of course to give you business for the products i think are decent.