Frackin' Omaha rocks!! What the hell have I been doing playing Holdem....

DeVore

Been playing Omaha lately, making HORRIBLE calls, raising like a maniac and seemingly winning (quite a bit actually.... the action is great!). Its great!

I'm still a horrible *horrible* Omaha player but its like rediscovering Holdem. The draws, so many draws.... Dani is right... CALL EVERYTHING!!!

Been playing .5/.10 and .10/.20 and I'm up um... 650 in 4 days!

Two pair for the win!!

If anyone has any advice for a maniac PLO player do please post. For example, why when I'm playing PLH or NLH am I conservative but in PLO I'm a total maniac, I mean... bad. I'll pot anything in position. Anyone else find that?

DeV.

Hectorjelly

You are running well at the moment. Soon you will run horribly and loses a few thousand bbs. Good luck!

Dub13

Advice,Yes go here....

Doc Farrell

Hectorjelly wrote:

You are running well at the moment. Soon you will run horribly and loses a few thousand bbs. Good luck!

amen brother.

DeVore

I did have a day where I couldnt hit my granmother and people seemed to be phoning Dial-A-Card when drawing. I lost 100 that day.

Actually I've been watching myself (like an out of body experience) and its quite strange. The sessions I have lost I've been playing fairly standard tight poker. By and large those sessions are losses, small profit or break even sessions. The big wins happen when I got super-psycho and raise everything or fold. One or the other, relentless aggression with any half decent draw, or fold. I'd say I'm entering hands with a raise preflop about 10:1 to limping in. Mostly in position. I'll pot raise just about any connected muck or suited cards in position. I'm much tighter up front as they are all calling stations and raising to .35 loses noone.

When I go super aggro, the number of mistakes made on the table jumps a quantum leap. I mean, ok I'm almost certainly making some mistakes doing this too (Think Hansen playing Omaha) but the number of times I've been called by two pair on the river, flush draws on paired boards etc. The big pots are coming from when there is a clash of hands. (otherwise I win via aggression, or drop if I get played back at). When these clashes happen the lot gets shipped and typically because I'm tight with hands I'll rereraise with, I'm generally a big big favourite.

I'm just wondering if any of this makes any sense to Omaha players. (I wouldnt dare try this style in the fitz, I mean....:eek: but at these limits its making me a tidy profit!).

DeV.

Hectorjelly

The first month I played omaha seriously I made 12k (a lot to me at the time*). I honestly thought I had discovered some stunning new hyper aggressive strategy. The next month I lost 8k. Ive never really played it much since!


* well it still is a lot, but it was even more then.

Doc Farrell

shhh!
complete sense.
u need the full buyin at those levels and as u say fold if reraised.
i used to play those tables on paddy power.

but u've also been running three times as high as i used to so i think its too high to sustain.

good luck with it

shhh!

DeVore

I think if the players were half decent I'd already be losing. I sat on a table tonight for about 3 hours just messing with their heads (in sooo many ways, I was pretending to be Polish amongst other things). I just raised and raised and raised. Not once did I get check-raised a serious amount and never with something like top set or nut flush. At higher limits the players would cop on, reload and nail me. Or at least adapt!

Whats weird is that I started to play these levels just to get Omaha in my head, to spot big wraps, combo draws (my head hurts from those) and be able to read a board and hand better. The stakes were micro so I got pretty bored and started raising all the time out of sheer boredom. Before I know where I am, I'm up 350 on a .10/.20 (and for the first time ever, getting railed by spectators, most of them hating me ). So after that I've spent the last 4 days grinding the raise button on the micro limit omaha tables and since its small stakes on any given hand and I'm controlling the big pots I get into, the swings seem actually LESS then Holdem. I would have to work damned hard to lose 100 on these tables.

Perhaps I'll conduct some form of experiment and spend the rest of 2006 playing micro limit omaha. 4-500 a week seems very achievable... Yes, lets see how it goes...

DeV.

cardshark202

Get PTO and post some stats up.

DeVore

Rechecking my account, I'm up $650 in the last 7 days but with the festival coming up I have been playing only about 1-3 hours a day.

I think you are right, thats probably unsustainable

DeV.

Hectorjelly

Come back after a month and let us know how you have gotten on!

DeVore

cardshark202 wrote:

Get PTO and post some stats up.

God, I'd be terrified to see what it says! I'll see if I can't get some stats up... would be interesting to see.

DeV.

Lafortezza

lol shorttermPLO-aments

ianmc38

Over my last 20k hands on Tribeca between 0.25/0.50 and 1-2, I've run at just under 15bb/100. I think for a good Omaha player that a similar winrate is sustainable (edit: at those stakes, big games are much harder to beat)

Recently enough I cleared 2k in one day on the 0.50/1 tables(obviously running well that day). FFS when Dave Masters can beat a cash game you know the standard must be bad!

handsfree

devore i'm with you on this one except i am a passive monkey who only gets money in the pot with monster draws or the nuts, still only up a small amount.

it shocks me sometimes that people call all the way to the river with top pair!

luckylucky

I've had a very different experience in Omaha, my first month went awful, i think i was playing mostly $2-$4 plo at the time and I lost over 2K - the good thing about that though was just about everything bad that could happen did happen and it made me learn the game fast, sink or swim that is, the 2nd month I played, my play got better but I still lost but this time it was more due to the horrible swings of Omaha - I almost abandoned the game at that point but for some reason I kept going back to it, fortunately since then I have made pretty decent money in the game.

I hardly ever play below the $2-$4 plo mark, the standard of which I don't rate too highly, so I would imagine that while yeah you are probably running very lucky Devore, and undoubtedly you will have some harsh lessons along the way but still can't c any reason why a solid boardie couldn't beat a .10/.20 plo game comfortably.

The one other thing I find it's a lot more difficult to keep ur cool in it than it is in Hold'Em - - the temptation to say ah feck it and get all-in with a dodgy hand is greater when u have got donked out on it a few times, so b weary of that.

Anyways gl at it and just brace urself 4 when things go horribly wrong and try to keep as calm as u can when it does.

Killme00

Frackin' Omaha rocks!!


Oh yes...so very true...but how can the nutz keep chaging so often...it gets frustrating when you are so far ahead...so many outs..so many draws...so much bad play..it has to pay in the end doesnt it

johnnysmurfman

I can put my hand on my heart and say that some of the most sickening events of my life have happened at an Omaha table, I have inflicted endless amounts of pain on others and they on me, I stopped playing Omaha both live and online about 3 months ago and have noticed a brighter, fresher and happier me. I can remember a monster pot in the Merrion one night with everybody all in after the flop, I had flopped the nut flush and there were about 4 people screaming 'pair the board', pure madness at about 4am on a Tuesday morning, thank God my Omaha days are behind me, I miss it though.

johnnysmurfman

I can put my hand on my heart and say that some of the most sickening events of my life have happened at an Omaha table, I have inflicted endless amounts of pain on others and they on me, I stopped playing Omaha both live and online about 3 months ago and have noticed a brighter, fresher and happier me. I can remember a monster pot in the Merrion one night with everybody all in after the flop, I had flopped the nut flush and there were about 4 people screaming 'pair the board', pure madness at about 4am on a Tuesday morning, the board didn't pair and I caugh a glimpse of perfect happiness. Thank God my Omaha days are behind me, I miss it though.

5starpool

luckylucky wrote:

Anyways gl at it and just brace urself 4 when things go horribly wrong and try to keep as calm as u can when it does.

I think you post here often enough for me to be able to say this to you.......


Please don't use textspeak when posting. Please. That is all. I wish it was a real rule but I know it isn't, so I will have to resort to this, potentially futile, method of conveying my dislike of all things text speak.

Predictive text ftw.

5starpool

Oh, and back on topic, Omaha is the business.

luckylucky

the one great thing about this game is that it has an almost reverse tilt effect - if u r running good especially if u have won a borderline hand or made a suckout it can tilt other players and u can just sit back and play solid poker while they get a 'I'm going to get that lucky b'd' head on them', of course u have to try and stay on the right side of this and when u running bad, more so than in hold'em u r better off getting away from da pc for an hour or so or switch to playing hold'em etc.

ianmc38

5starpool wrote:

I think you post here often enough for me to be able to say this to you.......


Please don't use textspeak when posting. Please. That is all. I wish it was a real rule but I know it isn't, so I will have to resort to this, potentially futile, method of conveying my dislike of all things text speak.

Predictive text ftw.

sry Dom do u nt lyk whn ppl tlk in txt speak? if my keybrd ad predictive txt i myt use it...

luckylucky

5starpool wrote:

I think you post here often enough for me to be able to say this to you.......


Please don't use textspeak when posting. Please. That is all. I wish it was a real rule but I know it isn't, so I will have to resort to this, potentially futile, method of conveying my dislike of all things text speak.

Predictive text ftw.

I don't set out to annoy people with textspeak but I do realise some people do get annoyed, personally, obviously enough since I use it in my posts I don't see what the real issue is as in linguistic terms the whole point really is just to get the message across - and it's not as if English is the language of our forefathers that it should be sacred to us or anything.

I mean I'm normally busy playing poker at the same time as I write a post and just trying to write my post quick as possible. Surely the main point is that I contribute or at least I attempt to contribute to the forum, if someone is that bothered by textspeak then surely they don't have to read my posts or others who use textspeak, I'm not alone in that department after all.

I'll tell you what I'll agree to do...
Though it's not against the rules to textspeak I will not textspeak for a while but if I notice others are doing it I will go back to doing it or alternatively may I suggest you put it to a vote on the poker forum that way the poker boardies can have their say in the matter and I would be more than happy to go along with a decision to ban textspeaking then if that were to be the case. And who knows I may write flowing poetic poker prose that my old english teacher would have been proud of then

Anyway don't think I can be fairer than that... you have given your opinion on something you don't like which is fair enough and there's my take on it.

5starpool

luckylucky wrote:

Anyway don't think I can be fairer than that... you have given your opinion on something you don't like which is fair enough and there's my take on it.

Good enough. It is not going to make me board a flight to Manchester, find you and kill everyone within a 28 foot radius of you in a fit of rage, but it is somewhat of a pet peeve. It also takes me longer to read than a normal post.

/mw wanders off to my rage counselling session

Tipperarymike

not the English language one, but the tilt one. Does anyone else find it so much more easier to tilt playing plo or maybe not so much tilt as more chase your losses? I am playing plo almost exclusively now , and while it would seem at the moment, as alluded to by DeV, that it is easier to make money at it, the sort of beats or hits you can take at it really take a lot of getting used to. I know myself play nlhe that I dont tilt at all really, well except when I played hu cash games, and never had any problem turning off the pc, but christ omaha keeps making me go back for more. Another q, has anyone read the Rueben book on plo, just ordered it there and interested to hear what anyone thinks about it

luckylucky

Tipperarymike wrote:

not the English language one, but the tilt one. Does anyone else find it so much more easier to tilt playing plo or maybe not so much tilt as more chase your losses? I am playing plo almost exclusively now , and while it would seem at the moment, as alluded to by DeV, that it is easier to make money at it, the sort of beats or hits you can take at it really take a lot of getting used to. I know myself play nlhe that I dont tilt at all really, well except when I played hu cash games, and never had any problem turning off the pc, but christ omaha keeps making me go back for more. Another q, has anyone read the Rueben book on plo, just ordered it there and interested to hear what anyone thinks about it

be interested to hear of what you think of Reuben's book - I haven't read it but have heard his style might b a bit 2 agro(i.e. be rather too aggressive for the textspeakictly challenged - soz 5star couldn't rsist)

Doc Farrell

I don't know what it is about this post that makes it my post of the year.
Is it the existential concept of trying to find beauty in grammatical form? Is it the gentlemanly approach to requesting a stylistic change of communication?

Is it that he made an effort...? Or is it that I'm semiwhammoed?

ty dom.

oops, this is the tet i'm ruminating upon...

Quote:
Originally Posted by luckylucky
Anyways gl at it and just brace urself 4 when things go horribly wrong and try to keep as calm as u can when it does.

I think you post here often enough for me to be able to say this to you.......


Please don't use textspeak when posting. Please. That is all. I wish it was a real rule but I know it isn't, so I will have to resort to this, potentially futile, method of conveying my dislike of all things text speak.

Predictive text ftw

comma potentially futile comma

why am i affected by this phrase so much? is it poetry in a forum?

hotspur

Maybe it's the novelty of playing the new game. I have done well initially at every new poker game I've played, and I've killed *every* time I've gone to a new site. Then ennui and the drudgery of it sets in and the focus dissipates, and it's back to winning a fraction of what your ability allows. Obv good variance helps

mewso

luckylucky wrote:

I don't set out to annoy people with textspeak but I do realise some people do get annoyed, personally, obviously enough since I use it in my posts I don't see what the real issue is as in linguistic terms the whole point really is just to get the message across - and it's not as if English is the language of our forefathers that it should be sacred to us or anything.

All I will say is that I agree with Dom on the text speak thing. It doesn't annoy me as much but I would like to point out that text speak came about mainly becuase you can't type too easily on a phone wheras here you can. Of course peoples typing skills may not be up to scratch but I honestly type the complete words much more quickly than any other way I might do it. But then like Dom I am a nerd who has been typing on keyboards half my life.

Hitman Actual

luckylucky wrote:

I don't set out to annoy people with textspeak but I do realise some people do get annoyed, personally, obviously enough since I use it in my posts I don't see what the real issue is as in linguistic terms the whole point really is just to get the message across - and it's not as if English is the language of our forefathers that it should be sacred to us or anything.

One thing I'll say to you is that people will often just ignore or skim-read a post that's badly written (not just text-speak). So while you think you're "getting the message across", you're not really because a lot of people will just ignore your post. Especially people who just check the forum once a day, and speed through it; like everything else on the web, if it takes too long to take in, the user just moves on.

Just my 2c.

DapperGent

5starpool wrote:

Please don't use textspeak when posting. Please. That is all. I wish it was a real rule but I know it isn't, so I will have to resort to this, potentially futile, method of conveying my dislike of all things text speak.

I think it is a rule on other forums on boards. Would get my vote.

lenny_leonard wrote:

Just my 2c.

Two cents. FFS!

Hitman Actual

DapperGent wrote:

I think it is a rule on other forums on boards. Would get my vote.

Two cents. FFS!

Oops!

luckylucky

ok, I have noticed that the vast majority of people don't textspeak on here, or certainly not to the level that I have been doing it, it's back to just normal or more like a bad attempt at normal English text for me, so for those who enjoy a good grumble at badly written stuff I'm sure I still won't let you down:rolleyes:

Doc Farrell

If the Reubens title is 'How good is your Pot Limit Omaha' then its a great read, very wild play, good characters, bigger gamblers than the 100 game in the Fitz! Frankly if i was to play like him I'd be broke in a night. But it seems to work.

I understand he had a stroke a couple of years ago and doesn't play too high now. He wrote his autobiography called 24/7 and its a list of all the crazy and good players he knew. Donnacha O'Dea gets a mention in it.

I think both books are still in the poker section of Hodges Figgis in Dawson St., near the reference dictionaries, its a big section.