Describe what you...

L31mr0d

... would like a new series of Star Trek to look like?

So if you could start off a new series of star trek, when, where and how would it be set.

Heres mine:
29th century. The federation is at war, they FINALLY are allowed to have cloaking devices, and personal shields for all... there enemy, don't know, NOT the borg. There is an alliance between the Romulans, Klingons and Humans, (possible cardasians?) and the show follows the training, relationships and eventual deployment of cadets from the academies of each race, until they eventually meet on the battle field or in the sky. Kinda along the lines of Starship Troopers and Space: Above and Beyond, but in the Star Trek universe. There will also be a subplot of corruption and infiltration in the federations along the lines of where DS9 was heading with the Dominion.
There could also be room to follow the Maquis on skirmishes.

User45701

maquies no longer there is no reason for them to exist and also they are all dead
the DMZ with cardassia near the badlands is now alliance occupied territory

Best idea is based just after the dominion war but it would be slightly more enjoyable if it was based on a klingon or romulan ship during a klingon or romulan civil war.

For those that like battles there will be many
and for me and others who like story there will be a good storyline and lots more to kind out about the culture in question.

maybe the odd cameo from Federation people or encounters with FED ships

Kojak

What about a series completely devoted to time-travel?? In Voyager they said that in the 29th century the federation was involved with correcting the time-line.

Also I don't think that a war with the Klingons, cardassians etc. would be that believable as it would have been 500 hundred years since the last "trek" and even by then they were all reasonably friendly.

As well as that I'm sure that the federation would have expanded further out beyond the Alpha quadrant - they would bound to be some new bad-guys in another galaxy.

aidan_walsh

J. Michael Straczynski & Bryce Zabel wrote a treatment back in 2004 suggesting a complete re-boot of the universe(pdf), Battlestar-style.

Having read it, I'm not entirely convinced. I think the idea is a good one, Star Trek has become very rigid in what it can do, after so many years defining itself. Enterprise may have been an experiment with some parts of the cannon, but it suffered the same limitations in the end.

But this version sounds

very Battlestar meets Stargate

. If they were to do it I would prefer to see it done as a television series rather than the suggested movie reboot.

Owen

I'd like to see them coming up with new plot devices. No more Pinnochio complexes (Data, Tuvok, T'Pol), no more sensors being able to detect everything and emmitters being able to emmit every particle ever, no more detacted key crew members (Worf, Seven).

The last few series' were just a rehashing of similar ideas. It's as pathetic as when the crew can't come up with a decent story line, and do a clip show.

User45701

i enjoyed all the star treks i didnt like Kes but that got solved for me, early odo season 1 and 2 wasent that great either

Goodshape

I'd like to see it left for a while, allow people (both fans and the creative team behind it) to relax a bit and think things through with a fresh and open mind, then come back with a Battlestar Galactica style reboot.

Stip away all the accumulated cannon and other ****e, get down to what Star Trek is actually about (or at least what it used to be about) and start again -- maybe with a new crew or maybe, just to drive home the fact that it's a reboot and not another continuation, with reimagined versions of people we know (ie. Kirk, Spock, et al.)

I'm not too sure that would be possible at this stage, it'll be hard to tell both fans and writers that 30+ years worth of Star Trek just doesn't count anymore (unlike BSG which only lasted a couple of years in it's original form), but I'm equally unsure that I could stomach another show that's forced to abide by everything that's gone before.

L31mr0d

Well aside from all the historical inaccuracies in my new series (tnx User45701 ) I'd still like to see a series set in the academy. The episodes with Wesley and the flashbacks with Picard where excellent imo, i'd like to see a whole series developed around the various units and training the cadets undertake.

User45701

it depends i didn't like wesley but if they had good young actors with a little bit of SG1 style cheeze, BSG style seriousness, Startrek style always do the right thing it could work well

elurhs

I agree that the basic "formula" (1 non-human in the crew, recycled storylines), etc is no longer viable. However, I wouldn't like to see the entire ST universe being thrown out. But for a series, I do think some of the rules need to be abolished.

Roddenberry had the rule that there could be no conflict between the human characters. I think at this stage all the sci-fi storylines that bypass this have been done over and over. I think DS9 was really well done from a dramatic angle at getting around this "rule". I can't understand how this wasn't a success due to it also having THE most spectacular space battles in Trek. I think the best chance ST has at the moment is to leave a good big break before the next series, and to hire some new creative people to give it a new spin.

Thrill

The star treks after the original series became too bogged down in morality and ethics. The crews seemed to be more worried about breaking the bloody prime directive than kicking the cr4p out of the bad guys.
Also way too many speeches about how humans are far more thoughtful and caring than other species.
At least kirk used to eye up the ladies like a normal male would without looking up the federation rule book to make sure he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Justice

i think star trek will maintain the "holier than tho" attitude,

since most of its fans point at star trek and say they like it becuase it gives them an optimistic view of the future.
plus imo quality sci fi is always based on current world view + future expectations (like a physcoterapist on bridge of TNG, so 80's), not combat, an entire series devoted to a single "war" situation aint gunna happen imo.

nor do i think they will drop the star trek cannon either, its too valuable to the franchise. just looking at how enterprise was recieved, it "broke" some rules and was slammed for it (which imo was overkill). the existing cannon helps the producers becuase they dont need to fill in so much of the back story, leaving more time for the good stuff.

it will be interesting to see how some of the fan created stuff is recieved, since some of those ideas is covered by fan produced stuff.

me i'll wait an see, not expecting anything and i will be suprised

J.R.HARTLEY

elurhs wrote:

Roddenberry had the rule that there could be no conflict between the human characters.

it was broken as early as Balance of terror, when the navaigators treatment of spock because he looked like the romulans betrayed the fact that humans weren't as developed as they'd like to think.

roddenberry did have one great rule though, no race or beings can be brought into the trek universe without us learning about them (i.e not just token baddies), it's how the klingon culture became so exposed to the fans.

Goodshape

Justice wrote:

just looking at how enterprise was recieved, it "broke" some rules and was slammed for it (which imo was overkill).

Yea, but Enterprise broke some of the rules, while still pretending to be a part of the same universe and timeline. That's just totally inconsistent. There was also no time between that series and the last to allow people time to reflect.

egon spengler

please god they wont emulate stargate sg1 or battlestar in any new series of star trek. Have no fondness for either show. Making it into a militaristic gung ho style prog will just destroy the very essence of what star trek is about (and it was never about kicking alien ass). Elements they should keep to make a new series any good would be 1. the philosophical themes and 2. the utopianism, at least in terms of not allowing the federation to engage in torture/overly unethical tactics without reprecussions from within the ranks. A time travel focused series would be terrible if its going to be centered on earth history, in fact I cant really see how it would work and preserving continuity would be a nightmare, if they could pull it off then yes it might be good, but where could they go from there, that would really be the final frontier, I think it would result in them burning their bridges prematurely. What I think would be a good idea would be to get rid of the silly galactic barrier idea, set it say 80 years in the future, new advancements in warp tech allow the federation, along with most of the major alien races, to travel to distant galaxies, you could have major tensions between different inter galactic factions and empires. Something like that even, but nonetheless, I think they should leave it for another 20 years, there will be enough scientific developments in that time to make the show interesting again without resorting to substandard alien rip off species, namely species 8472. The borg would be impossible to conceive of in 1965, not so much in 1988. So give it another 20 years and the writers will have much more to play with in coming up with interesting alien species, science tends to lead one in more outlandish and terrifying directions than cliched notions of what constitutes outlandish and terrifying, cos then you just get a big monster with fangs. (Although I dont know where to categorize alien, it had a big monster with fangs but it was based I think on ichneuma fly, or a species of wasp, cant remember, which basically behaves in the same way, plus you had Giger who is a genius).

egon spengler

please god they wont emulate stargate sg1 or battlestar in any new series of star trek. Have no fondness for either show. Making it into a militaristic gung ho style prog will just destroy the very essence of what star trek is about (and it was never about kicking alien ass). Elements they should keep to make a new series any good would be 1. the philosophical themes and 2. the utopianism, at least in terms of not allowing the federation to engage in torture/overly unethical tactics without reprecussions from within the ranks. A time travel focused series would be terrible if its going to be centered on earth history, in fact I cant really see how it would work and preserving continuity would be a nightmare, if they could pull it off then yes it might be good, but where could they go from there, that would really be the final frontier, I think it would result in them burning their bridges prematurely. What I think would be a good idea would be to get rid of the silly galactic barrier idea, set it say 80 years in the future, new advancements in warp tech allow the federation, along with most of the major alien races, to travel to distant galaxies, you could have major tensions between different inter galactic factions and empires. Something like that even, but nonetheless, I think they should leave it for another 20 years, there will be enough scientific developments in that time to make the show interesting again without resorting to substandard alien rip off species, namely species 8472. The borg would be impossible to conceive of in 1965, not so much in 1988. So give it another 20 years and the writers will have much more to play with in coming up with interesting alien species, science tends to lead one in more outlandish and terrifying directions than cliched notions of what constitutes outlandish and terrifying, cos then you just get a big monster with fangs. (Although I dont know where to categorize alien, it had a big monster with fangs but it was based I think on ichneuma fly, or a species of wasp, cant remember, which basically behaves in the same way, plus you had Giger who is a genius).

bizmark

Don’t know tbh i guess :

Fewer aliens of the week, less political correctness. no time travel nonsense . interesting crew member's that get some line's ever month or so :rolleyes: . maybe show the federation messing up or gasp! helping an allies / coming to the aid of a less developed race show us some basic functions of the federation im sure im not the only one that would like to see a starbase/ship being built or know just how the hell the federation is governed NO FRIGGING CADETS the crew had damn well better be 40 or so and not a bunch of girly boys something like kirk/sisko ftw......And a nice large starship.

that would do me.

Cunny-Funt

Yeah I like the idea of a future crew going out and exploring a totally different galaxy. It'll bring back that whole going somewhere for the 1st time thing...

Plus I'm very much against rebooting the thing...

bizmark

Cunny-Funt wrote:

Yeah I like the idea of a future crew going out and exploring a totally different galaxy. It'll bring back that whole going somewhere for the 1st time thing...

Plus I'm very much against rebooting the thing...

They could do it as 1 or a small fleet of very large ship's trying to carve out some federation space building starbase's shipyards colonys etc that would be different.

Johnny Storm

I'd like it to be set a good bit after TNG. No reboots. No academy (FFS:rolleyes: ). Good writers, actors, directors.
I mean Voyager could have been great given its basic premise if the people involved had been a bit (ok, a lot) more creative and not so chicken-sh!t.
I also wouldn't mind giving Trek a rest for awhile.

Actually, I think it all depends on how this new film turns out, if it is well received it will probably lay the groundwork for any new TV series. And please, not the academy ...........

Goodshape

Johnny Storm wrote:

And please, not the academy ...........

Isn't that exactly where the new film is set?

Johnny Storm

Probably, but this article seems to throw some doubt on it. Who knows?

Also, I really meant please not the academy in any potential new TV series.

L31mr0d

Johnny Storm wrote:

And please, not the academy ...........

Why not? Just think of the possibilities... there could be hazing rituals on mars, frat toga parties crashed by a bunch of nausicans Plus they could follow the training of cadets from various different cultures like the Klingons and the Romulans The only reason i'd like it is because of shows like Space:AAB, Starship Troopers and even the likes of war movies like full metal jacket where the it all begins where it would begin for the character... in training. Plus i'd like to have a series based closer to earth, deal with life on earth in the Star Trek universe, throw in a few government conspiracies, some alien spies and it would be a good show.

Johnny Storm

How about screw-up Space Cadet K'Bluto? He crushes batleths on his forehead and swills back buckets of bloodwine like there's no tomorrow?

I think an Academy based TV series would be quite limiting, in the same way that the space station of DS9 was perceived as limiting and, personally, I'd rather have a series that focuses on a more grown-up activity like exploring strange new worlds etc. I wouldn't favour a war-based series either. Both options just seem too predictable to me. Obviously that's just my opinion.

Realistically, if any new series had good creative writers, directors, actors etc then it would probably transcend any limitations in the format, in the same way that BSG v2.0 did.

I agree with your last sentence, though!

mcgarnicle

I think the period just after DS9 would have made a great series, or at least an easy way to get a new series rolling. Cardasia is in ruins, how would the politics of occupation work? Romulus and earth are the only real powers left, how would they split the new duties ie the breen seemed to have been very focussed on Romulus/earth so there could be some conflict on how to deal with them.

There could be some extremists pushing to take the war into the gamma quadrant to finish things off there. We know the Dominion cannot be trusted, is it naive to stick with a treaty that depends so much on good faith? Maybe there are federation observers in the gamma quadrant to make sure nothing bad is going on. Perhaps Odo succeeds in his efforts to change the founders and a new relationship begins in which the dominion has a totally different outlook, ie Japan after WW2.

Apart from these political themes, which i think would be important to get new viewers, the crew should also explore philosophical and moral questions in a way similar to TNG. As for crew I'd like a moral captain along the lines of picard. Someone that demands respect simply by exuding integrity. A sisko like first officer would suit, please no more ricker characters... that guy just makes me imagine Gordon Gecko in space.

We know that by the 26th century the Klingons are members of the fed... it would make sense if some crises shook the empire in their weakened, post war state. It would be nice to see if the federation help them out in such a way that the klingons gradually fall under the federation umbrella.

Of course there would be new enemies too, I don't know what form these would take, but it would be nice to see conflict (not necessarily war) arising from relations with a power not totally unlike the feds where right and wrong is more difficult to make out. Given the nature of the federation I don't really know what form this new enemy would take but I'm sure they could think of something.

egon spengler

Id like to see a show where the federation are only one of the players, instead of having a federation centred series which was the case for all the series to date. And perhaps follow the adventures of one central character who meets people along the way who accompany him on whatever quest he/shes on. This quest would take place amidst some epic conflict between the major powers, federation, romulan and some new interesting (note interesting, meaning not some silly thing done to their heads to make them look alien) alien species.

User45701

mcgarnicle wrote:

I think the period just after DS9 would have made a great series, or at least an easy way to get a new series rolling. Cardasia is in ruins, how would the politics of occupation work? Romulus and earth are the only real powers left, how would they split the new duties ie the breen seemed to have been very focussed on Romulus/earth so there could be some conflict on how to deal with them.

There could be some extremists pushing to take the war into the gamma quadrant to finish things off there. We know the Dominion cannot be trusted, is it naive to stick with a treaty that depends so much on good faith? Maybe there are federation observers in the gamma quadrant to make sure nothing bad is going on. Perhaps Odo succeeds in his efforts to change the founders and a new relationship begins in which the dominion has a totally different outlook, ie Japan after WW2.

Apart from these political themes, which i think would be important to get new viewers, the crew should also explore philosophical and moral questions in a way similar to TNG. As for crew I'd like a moral captain along the lines of picard. Someone that demands respect simply by exuding integrity. A sisko like first officer would suit, please no more ricker characters... that guy just makes me imagine Gordon Gecko in space.

We know that by the 26th century the Klingons are members of the fed... it would make sense if some crises shook the empire in their weakened, post war state. It would be nice to see if the federation help them out in such a way that the klingons gradually fall under the federation umbrella.

Of course there would be new enemies too, I don't know what form these would take, but it would be nice to see conflict (not necessarily war) arising from relations with a power not totally unlike the feds where right and wrong is more difficult to make out. Given the nature of the federation I don't really know what form this new enemy would take but I'm sure they could think of something.

Ye that sounds about right, i have always said based just after the dominion war,
As for the new enemy why not just take a classic enemy like the borg or maybe another delta quadrant enemy or why not a new enemy because didn't voyager have like 18,000 light years left to go? more than enough room for a entirely new enemy

mcgarnicle

User45701 wrote:

Ye that sounds about right, i have always said based just after the dominion war,
As for the new enemy why not just take a classic enemy like the borg or maybe another delta quadrant enemy or why not a new enemy because didn't voyager have like 18,000 light years left to go? more than enough room for a entirely new enemy

Sure there is plenty of room left in the galaxy to find new enemies. Classic enemy, I really liked the Dominion so could see how they go... with the breen, cardasians, klingons and romulans already in there I think it is packed full of classic enemies. To be honet I think Voyager has ruined the borg and they do nothing for me now... they are almost camp at this stage.

I'd like to see a new conflict arise with a state not unlike the federation, star trek has always held the feds so high above the rest morally and I know that is what star trek is about, the evolved humans etc and i dont think they should change that. It would be interesting to see a conflict arise when we arent actually sure if the federation is in the right.

cognos

bizmark wrote:

They could do it as 1 or a small fleet of very large ship's trying to carve out some federation space building starbase's shipyards colonys etc that would be different.

I like this idea! Deffinately no time travel and ieally I'd like to see chief O'Brien and Worf in there somewhere.

kevmy

I'd love to see one set in the further future because they've got more elbow room. If you set a series before TNG/DS9/VOY then your really restricted as everything has to tie into that timeframe. If you go further into the future and have perhaps a joint base/multiple bases of Federation plus Romulans in a different galaxy. This way there not as isolated or lost as Voyager but still have to rely on themselves a la DS9. The political manoueverings between Romulans and The Federation could be good. I've always been a fan of the Romulans underused and the only time they were supposed to be bad guys in a film (Nemises) they fcuked it up and made up some half clone-half Reman d1ck

tj-music.com

... a regular Vulkan
... a klingon warrior
... a Star Trek Cadet

would be great!

Seriously: I always thought that the Cardassian homeplanet didn´t get a fair shot. There should be a Star Trek series that involves the future, a future in which the federation is no more but an underground movement of human slaves, who (have to) live on Cardassia are trying to free themselves and to revive the Federation or something.

User45701

tj-music.com wrote:

... a regular Vulkan
... a klingon warrior
... a Star Trek Cadet

would be great!

Seriously: I always thought that the Cardassian homeplanet didn´t get a fair shot. There should be a Star Trek series that involves the future, a future in which the federation is no more but an underground movement of human slaves, who (have to) live on Cardassia are trying to free themselves and to revive the Federation or something.

Sounds allot like the fallen Terran empire to me (which would be a great series) "The Terran Rebels" time frame the defeat of the regent and they have there own infighting with different parties wanting to do different things some want to imprison the bajorans the klingons and cardassins and force them into slave labour again while others want to make peace and forgive and forget, the Terran rebels could maybe sign an alliance with the romulans?

Pepe LeFrits

I think any series following on from the Dominion War would need to have fresh enemies; the existing enemies have all had their day and it is difficult to see a new series using them as lead antagonists. The Klingons, Cardassians, Dominion and Borg have all been worn out at this stage.

There is potential with the Federation expansion scenario, and setting the show roughly 10-15 years later would give writers enough time to develop a fresh dynamic. You could get interesting post-war storylines with the Federation and the Romulans quarrelling over how to run the peace, not unlike the situation following on from WWII. For me the Romulans are the only major Trek opponent left that has not been significantly explored.

I could see the Klingons and the Cardassians moving towards joining the Federation, while the Romulans would be more interested in extracting their pound of flesh from the Breen. It'd be nice if things hadn't turned out all rosey after the end of the war and remained very messy indeed. The Dominion would probably withdraw from galactic affairs like the Romulans in TNG and would appear occasionally as a sometime foe, sometime uneasy ally.

Get back to exploring (particular focus could be paid to new previously inaccessible territories beyond Cardassian and Klingon space), do some Federation building and gradually bring some new enemies into the fold, while rejuvenating and re-defining some old ones.

robby^5

Why would anyone want Star Trek to continue after Voyager, Enterprise, Insurrection and Nemesis?

The series has been absolute muck for a long long time, the new movie is probably the best route they could have ever taken besides making another TNG movie. A slight reboot to the series will be a great thing, they need to make trek accessible again to new fans without all the canon and history bogging things down.

Imo a battlestar style reboot would be excellent, sort of what DS9 tired to be but was limited due to Star Trek "Protocol".

Unless they do somethign drastically different, it would be best to let the series die, which it really should have after TNG (& TNG Films)

User45701

kevmy wrote: »

I'd love to see one set in the further future because they've got more elbow room. If you set a series before TNG/DS9/VOY then your really restricted as everything has to tie into that timeframe. If you go further into the future and have perhaps a joint base/multiple bases of Federation plus Romulans in a different galaxy. This way there not as isolated or lost as Voyager but still have to rely on themselves a la DS9. The political manoueverings between Romulans and The Federation could be good. I've always been a fan of the Romulans underused and the only time they were supposed to be bad guys in a film (Nemises) they fcuked it up and made up some half clone-half Reman d1ck

Interesting idea, ive always wondered what happened to the breen after the war

cognos wrote: »

I like this idea! Deffinately no time travel and ieally I'd like to see chief O'Brien and Worf in there somewhere.

I like time travel some of the best episodes of trek have involed temperal episodes. O'brian ye he was good in TNG/DS9

robby^5 wrote: »

Why would anyone want Star Trek to continue after Voyager, Enterprise, Insurrection and Nemesis?

Because Star Trek is good to watch

robby^5 wrote: »

The series has been absolute muck for a long long time, the new movie is probably the best route they could have ever taken besides making another TNG movie. A slight reboot to the series will be a great thing, they need to make trek accessible again to new fans without all the canon and history bogging things down.

Imo a battlestar style reboot would be excellent, sort of what DS9 tired to be but was limited due to Star Trek "Protocol".

Unless they do somethign drastically different, it would be best to let the series die, which it really should have after TNG (& TNG Films)

robby^5 wrote: »

The series has been absolute muck for a long long time, the new movie is probably the best route they could have ever taken besides making another TNG movie. A slight reboot to the series will be a great thing, they need to make trek accessible again to new fans without all the canon and history bogging things down.

No, i disagree, They should have a a movie that advances the current timeline to kinda get a feel for the future for how the fans want the story to go and for new things to happen. I know about this movie and i think it will be very much like BSG Razor. Its something that happened before now so you are watching things that have already happened, entertaining as they are with your knodledge you can be sure who wont die, also story advances and almost cataclasmic events ect, if there is no reference to them then you know they dont/wont happen.

robby^5 wrote: »

Imo a battlestar style reboot would be excellent, sort of what DS9 tired to be but was limited due to Star Trek "Protocol".

Unless they do somethign drastically different, it would be best to let the series die, which it really should have after TNG (& TNG Films)

Why would they have done that?

DS9 Tried something new and if you take a look at the poll it is almost as popular as TNG, ithink ds9 was the best. no other series came close to it because of the running story arc unlike TNG's badguy of the week.

VOY Again tried something new, voyager takes allot of flak but it did have some ****ing woefull episodes but there where a few in there that i really like. Voyager did have a few fantastic episodes.

ENT Allot like voyager, tried something new, took flak but ENT also had some fantastic episodes and i will sit through things i dont like in the hope of every now and again seing something amazing. I thought ENT and VOY where ok-great

Ro: maaan!

User45701 for president! Or at least for some kind of Star Trek writer position.

robby^5

DS9 Tried something new and if you take a look at the poll it is almost as popular as TNG, ithink ds9 was the best. no other series came close to it because of the running story arc unlike TNG's badguy of the week.

I never said anything baout DS9 not being a good series. Its the series that tried to change the style of a Trek show drastically, but the show was still limited in what it could do, but if Trek had continued in DS9's tradition it would be very much different today. DS9 was the vietnam era of star trek and it was brilliant, but still there was some absolute **** too, the entire Emmisary arc was crap, and was more fantasy than anything.

VOY Again tried something new, voyager takes allot of flak but it did have some ****ing woefull episodes but there where a few in there that i really like. Voyager did have a few fantastic episodes.

Voayger did **** all new, they had this great idea of the ship being stranded alone in the delta quadrant, a great premise for the show! And what did they do with that? nothing. Every week it was same old same old, Janeway makes a detour to some planet to make contact and "explore". Each week the ship looked brand new again even after huge battles, and everyones already gotten over the latest 'red shirt' who was killed on tha last away mission. They had no problems whatsoever with supplies, and if they did there would be conviniently be a trading station or planet nearby to help them out. Its like every week they just pressed a rest button and the previous weeks events were forgotten.

ENT Allot like voyager, tried something new, took flak but ENT also had some fantastic episodes and i will sit through things i dont like in the hope of every now and again seing something amazing. I thought ENT and VOY where ok-great

Enterpise, are you ****ting me? Only the final series was good because they managed to do some great writing for once, but other than that it was the same tired rehashed idea except set in the past. Not to mention some of the worst acting in a trek series yet, it all felt so forced.


I thaught a brilliant way to move the series further would eb to explore the Cold War that would inevitably ensue after the Dominion War (this was touched upon in Nemisis) but they decided to say goodbye to the future and visit the past for some reason

User45701

I was not kidding about ENT. There was an episode in season 2, episode 5 maybe, it was after the romulan mindfield and they found a automated repair and service station. I also liked twilight and anzati prime. a good few episodes at the end of season 3 where good and like you said 4 had some great episodes. I was also a fan of the temeral cold war but not at the start of season 4 what a way to **** it all up. I thought the temperal cold war was going to turn out to be an amazingly well written way of altering star trek history allowing for incontunituitys in new shows/movies

Pepe LeFrits

robby^5 wrote: »

Voayger did **** all new, they had this great idea of the ship being stranded alone in the delta quadrant, a great premise for the show! And what did they do with that? nothing. Every week it was same old same old, Janeway makes a detour to some planet to make contact and "explore". Each week the ship looked brand new again even after huge battles, and everyones already gotten over the latest 'red shirt' who was killed on tha last away mission. They had no problems whatsoever with supplies, and if they did there would be conviniently be a trading station or planet nearby to help them out. Its like every week they just pressed a rest button and the previous weeks events were forgotten.

Indeed, I always thought it was a shame about that premise being so badly wasted on Voyager. Still, Ronald D. Moore is showing how to utilise it properly now with BSG.

kevmy

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Indeed, I always thought it was a shame about that premise being so badly wasted on Voyager. Still, Ronald D. Moore is showing how to utilise it properly now with BSG.

Thats one of the reasons Ron Moore left the Voyager writing staff. He only stayed bout half a season because he felt like they were making a mess of the premise.

Personally I think if they are thinking of doing a new ST series in the future they should try and get Moore to do it. There is plenty of scope in ST left for further exploration and new ideas without rebooting it. BSG had a couple of seasons in the early 80's and was not a massive hit. It's easy enough to reboot that.

ST has 11 films (or will soon) and 4 full series behind it. Thats very hard to reboot without confusing people.

Goodshape

kevmy wrote: »

ST has 11 films (or will soon) and 4 full series behind it.

Five series. Plus an animated one.

...or are you not counting Enterprise as a full series? To be fair, it had a longer run than TOS, which only went three seasons.

Putting Ron Moore in charge of a Trek series would be fantastic. I'll be looking forward to seeing what he does after BSG anyway.. whatever that may be.

kevmy

Goodshape wrote: »

Five series. Plus an animated one.

...or are you not counting Enterprise as a full series? To be fair, it had a longer run than TOS, which only went three seasons.

Putting Ron Moore in charge of a Trek series would be fantastic. I'll be looking forward to seeing what he does after BSG anyway.. whatever that may be.

Your right of course. A typo I didn't spot. I've never seen the animated one so I didn't count that (also not sure of it's canon value)

Pepe LeFrits

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Yeah I like the idea of a future crew going out and exploring a totally different galaxy. It'll bring back that whole going somewhere for the 1st time thing...

They reckon there are between 200 and 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, is that not enough?

User45701

Wel lthe thing is the kinda overdone it, the have mapped the alpha/beta quandrents pretty much..., the delta quadrent still neeeds to be mapped and i doubt the federation are allowed though the wormhole, because they where the agressors in the dominion war. So it would have to be either delta quadrent or else the other side of the romulan empire, there would be enough room between the far right border of the empire and the edge of the milkeyway, i think they would fit another empire in there if they wanted or atleast a hundred or so minor races.

i dont want it to go too futurey because i want to know what happened to Gareck, Cardassia, Breen?

cold_filter

Ok I'll throw in my euro worth...

TNG : First series I watched really and loved it. Picard was great as was worf. Riker has the potential to be great if he had been used in a Sisko type agressive way. Geordi I thought was good. The rest i wasnt too bothered about except Barclay.

DS9: Looking back the first few seasons were dirt, but once the dominion came in and there was the Klingon attack on DS9 things got a hell of a lot better. some really great episodes including Siege of Ar558 (i think). Though at the end i would have liked to see the battle where they took on the massive gun platforms surrounding cardassia.

voyager: A few good episodes especially the ep with Ransom.

Enterprise: Really really liked it, mainly because if humand of today were to go into space we'd be a lot closer to doing what archer did than picard or janeway (boo, terrible choice for captain!)

For the next series, as said above setting it after the end of the dominion war would be interesting, as the klingon empire is the weakest of the 3 allies, cardassia is in pieces and you can never trust the romulans! It could also be a good angle to play the breen as being unhappy with the peace and becoming more agressive. Also depending on the terms of the surrender what happens in the Gamma quadrant do the dominion just go on there as normal?

Maybe the series could be set there and see the dominion coming under pressure from another galactic power or show them getting ready to go on the offensive...

CidonaBoy

Biggest problem right now in Star Trek is the last ending of Voyager and Nemesis.

Anything after nemesis would fail. I mean, even Borg are easy to fight now, the federation has a bunch of new technology as seen in voyagers last episode, no real challenges can be presented to the deferation.

I reckon somewhere between kirk and picard, would have loved to see something about Sulu and the excelsior...

Meh, I reckon the franchise has been driven into the ground, don't see any hope of recovery, I mean they couldn't even get the concept voyager had to work.

Pepe LeFrits

User45701 wrote: »

Wel lthe thing is the kinda overdone it, the have mapped the alpha/beta quandrents pretty much...,

Says who?

i doubt the federation are allowed though the wormhole, because they where the agressors in the dominion war.

No they weren't. The Dominion can claim on a 'technicality' that they were, but everyone knows that the Dominion were the aggressors, including the Dominion. Hence the Female Founder agreeing to stand trial for war crimes.

So it would have to be either delta quadrent or else the other side of the romulan empire, there would be enough room between the far right border of the empire and the edge of the milkeyway, i think they would fit another empire in there if they wanted or atleast a hundred or so minor races.

Beta quadrant? Barely gets a mention.

Having thought about it more, my suggestion for a new series would be along the lines of this:

Background:

It's 2388, 13 years after the war. The Bajorans have joined the Federation and are a major influence in the Federation, largely due to the wormhole. Colonies have been re-established in the Gamma quadrant, and Starfleet is actively exploring it once again (I'd envisage Voyager being sent there on a long term mission). The Dominion have withdrawn within themselves in a similar fashion to the Romulans in TNG, and a neutral zone has been established with them.

The Cardassians are about to join the Federation. Their military has been disbanded, and a joint Federation/Klingon taskforce protects their territory - at least, the territory that the Federation and Klingons gave back to the new civilian government - the Romulans have refused to give up the territories they captured during the war. War guilt and anger towards the old military-focused ways dominates the Cardassian mindset.

The relationship with the Romulans remains cagey. The war alliance and the Shinzon incident helped create a thaw in relations, but post war disputes over Cardassia and the Federation's opposition to an invasion of Breen have limited the effect. The neutral zone has been abolished. The Romulans remain a major power, having expanded into Cardassian and Breen territory, and having taken Breen and Dominion technology (which became available as the Jem'Hadar were hurriedly expelled to the Gamma quadrant before they could dismantle their bases). They remain in an on/off state of conflict with the Breen.

The Klingons have recovered fully thanks largely in part due to help from the Federation, who gave them aide in exchange for territories being returned to Cardassia. With Martok still Chancellor, they are closer than ever to the Federation. They share defensive duties with the Federation, operate frequent crew exchanges, share intelligence, and play an important role in affairs in the Alpha quadrant.

The Breen are isolated from galactic affairs by the Romulans.

Setting the scene:

Starfleet has just finished work on their first fully operational transwarp vessel, the new USS Excelsior. The successful deployment of transwarp technology will open up new areas of the galaxy to exploration.

The new enemy:

Expanding the idea of the Kelvans from TOS, the new enemy is a race that was forced to leave their home galaxy (Andromeda or another, it doesn't really matter). I figure they use a kind of transporter-stasis that enables them to store vast numbers of their people in relatively small spaces. Significantly, they were the only race in their galaxy, so in terms of population, we're talking trillions. There simply won't be room for them in the Milky Way. Additionally, as being unfamiliar with the idea of there being different races with different governments, they see all Milky Way races as the same, so if one is at war with them, they all are.

The first ships that arrive are advanced scouts, whose task is to check out the area, and prepare the planets for the arrival of the motherships that contain the bulk of their population. The first scout arrives at a Romulan outpost that has been captured by the Breen. They are unable to communicate with eachother, and the Breen, believing they are hostile, attack, which effectively triggers a war between galaxies.

Bring in the series, whereby more scouts gradually appear all over the galaxy, often causing huge damage, attempting to build beach-heads in the Milky Way. The Federation begins to figure out where the advanced scouts will arrive, and sends out the Excelsior into deep space to gather intel and warn the species near the arrival points.

Later on things get more serious as the alien heavies start to arrive to make room and the motherships get closer.

There'd be elements of TNG (exploration, preparing for the Borg threat), Voyager (Excelsior ALONE in deep space, attempting to negotiate local alliances), Deep Space Nine (long term arcs, war) and Enterprise (the Excelsior being the Federation's only ship in a lot of situations).

Goodshape

That all sounds brilliant, Pepe.

User45701

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Says who?

While there has been very little cannon of showing a galactica map we know that earch is right on the alpha/beta quadrent border with (imagine a birds eye view) with the romulan empire to the right and the klingon empire above So any space under the control of the klingon empire/romulan star empire would be considered mapped (later in my last post i mentioned maybe another race could exist on the other side of the romulan empire) Also the alpha quadrent has been though allot with the war and with the location of bajor being quite a distance from earth and the fall of the cardassion union. The alpha quadrent has been almost competly mapped bar some unvisited systems but no hope of a empire/advanced race being discovered in the alpha quadrent. So out of the Alpha/Beta Quadrents there is only 2/3 area's not explored. The streach of border with the gamma/Delta quadrents, Breen space, The space on the other side of the romulan empire, i would consider this "almost completely" mapped

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

No they weren't. The Dominion can claim on a 'technicality' that they were, but everyone knows that the Dominion were the aggressors, including the Dominion. Hence the Female Founder agreeing to stand trial for war crimes.

Not really your talking about the actual outbreak of war. I mean the federation where the aggressors as in they just went straight into the gamma quadrant, upset established dominion trade routes (interference with the Karama and other races, They also established colonys on the dominions side of the wormhole, all aggressive posturing if you ask me)

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Background:

It's 2388, 13 years after the war. The Bajorans have joined the Federation and are a major influence in the Federation, largely due to the wormhole. Colonies have been re-established in the Gamma quadrant, and Starfleet is actively exploring it once again (I'd envisage Voyager being sent there on a long term mission). The Dominion have withdrawn within themselves in a similar fashion to the Romulans in TNG, and a neutral zone has been established with them.

The Cardassians are about to join the Federation. Their military has been disbanded, and a joint Federation/Klingon taskforce protects their territory - at least, the territory that the Federation and Klingons gave back to the new civilian government - the Romulans have refused to give up the territories they captured during the war. War guilt and anger towards the old military-focused ways dominates the Cardassian mindset.

The relationship with the Romulans remains cagey. The war alliance and the Shinzon incident helped create a thaw in relations, but post war disputes over Cardassia and the Federation's opposition to an invasion of Breen have limited the effect. The neutral zone has been abolished. The Romulans remain a major power, having expanded into Cardassian and Breen territory, and having taken Breen and Dominion technology (which became available as the Jem'Hadar were hurriedly expelled to the Gamma quadrant before they could dismantle their bases). They remain in an on/off state of conflict with the Breen.

The Klingons have recovered fully thanks largely in part due to help from the Federation, who gave them aide in exchange for territories being returned to Cardassia. With Martok still Chancellor, they are closer than ever to the Federation. They share defensive duties with the Federation, operate frequent crew exchanges, share intelligence, and play an important role in affairs in the Alpha quadrant.

The Breen are isolated from galactic affairs by the Romulans.

Setting the scene:

Starfleet has just finished work on their first fully operational transwarp vessel, the new USS Excelsior. The successful deployment of transwarp technology will open up new areas of the galaxy to exploration.

The new enemy:

Expanding the idea of the Kelvans from TOS, the new enemy is a race that was forced to leave their home galaxy (Andromeda or another, it doesn't really matter). I figure they use a kind of transporter-stasis that enables them to store vast numbers of their people in relatively small spaces. Significantly, they were the only race in their galaxy, so in terms of population, we're talking trillions. There simply won't be room for them in the Milky Way. Additionally, as being unfamiliar with the idea of there being different races with different governments, they see all Milky Way races as the same, so if one is at war with them, they all are.

The first ships that arrive are advanced scouts, whose task is to check out the area, and prepare the planets for the arrival of the motherships that contain the bulk of their population. The first scout arrives at a Romulan outpost that has been captured by the Breen. They are unable to communicate with eachother, and the Breen, believing they are hostile, attack, which effectively triggers a war between galaxies.

Bring in the series, whereby more scouts gradually appear all over the galaxy, often causing huge damage, attempting to build beach-heads in the Milky Way. The Federation begins to figure out where the advanced scouts will arrive, and sends out the Excelsior into deep space to gather intel and warn the species near the arrival points.

Later on things get more serious as the alien heavies start to arrive to make room and the motherships get closer.

There'd be elements of TNG (exploration, preparing for the Borg threat), Voyager (Excelsior ALONE in deep space, attempting to negotiate local alliances), Deep Space Nine (long term arcs, war) and Enterprise (the Excelsior being the Federation's only ship in a lot of situations).

All well thought out, i mentioned the Breen/romualan idea before and it is established cannon that they dont along.
Romulan saying: "Never turn your back on a breen"

I don't know if i like the idea of bringing another galaxy into it yet, i like the idea of keeping things local for the next series, no need to jump that far ahead. Its been discussed to death but i still like the idea of a series allot like the outer limited, each episode is about a different race in a different sector of the galaxy with a overall major story arc they could deal with every 5 or 6 episodes, each "main" episode could be the advancement of the general plot but from the eyes of a different galactic power, the episodes in between can be anything you want, base don a klingon ship, based about a war between 2 noname races in the delta quadrent, just good stories.

If not that then just stick with the galaxy as is. Also dont forget, its (sadley) has been established that the Federation is still around in the 31st century so any risk element or loss cant be that huge if you know what i mean. Thats why they can focus on other races/other stories.

Slice

Yeah I like the idea of a future crew going out and exploring a totally different galaxy. It'll bring back that whole going somewhere for the 1st time thing...

Haven't you just described Voyager there...?

User45701

No Voyager was started before the dominion war so it wasent really a future crew. Also i think they advanced too much from TOS-Nemessis.

I honnestly think the best thing they can do with trek to "test the water" would be to release a new episode, set in a different time/crew/species every week. Like outer limits each episode could be different. Do a short season, cheap because your not paying actors for whole seasons also not amazing sfx.

This would let them get a feel for what the fans want.