Free money theft or just deserts

Bandana boy

After reading a very strange thread about ladbrokes giving out free money
It reminded me of a ethical dilemma i found myself in couple of years back

So late Friday night playing in the Merrion
this drunk nut job comes in and is gambling away merrily every hand
He gets his stack uo to over a grand back down to zero rebuys for 300 and does this a couple of times
I guess he is in the hole for about 1200
when I get all in with a set on the turn
pot is 800+
River appears to be a blank i call Set he says good enough i show my Set player gets up throws his cards down face up and leaves
Dealer pulls them into the muck when i notice that while he was looking for a flush he hit a straight
I notice 1 other player appear to notice but keeps his mouth shut every one else has already started talking about the dude and miss this including I presume the dealer

Do you speak up ?
What if it was for 8K
what if it was a tournament ?

ChipLdr

If a player mucks his hand then i have no sympathy.If the player is in no fit shape to read the board then he shouldnt be playing in the first place.

Saying that,If it was for a miniscule amount i would probably bring it to the dealers attention.

ianmc38

Up to yourself really. Just be aware that Jebus knows!

Mr.Plough

depends really on whether i liked the guy or not, but if it was in the final table of a tourny id find it hard to speak up.

RasTa

I've done it in a tourney before. Hit a set on the flop and it ended up going all in on the turn(i was dealing) player turned up his cards and hit his straight on the river, but nobody noticed and he stood up to leave. Told him to sit back down and the other players said that was very "honest" of you. I'd normally do the right thing at the poker table but in your case it was the dealers fault for not noticing, up to you to point it out or not.

Although if i was on the same table, I would of said something.... would you be p!ssed at the player who did?

I'm right in assuming he didnt muck his hand and folded face up?

cardshark202

I would tell him. He threw his cards face up, cards speak. He may be an idiot and not deserve the money but the money is rightfully his.

nicnicnic

ChipLdr wrote:

If a player mucks his hand then i have no sympathy.If the player is in no fit shape to read the board then he shouldnt be playing in the first place.

Saying that,If it was for a miniscule amount i would probably bring it to the dealers attention.

wow so you take his money but if its nothing you would tell him to look good. I really like the way you think, do you work in marketing by any chance

valor

take the money

gerry87

His cards hit the muck, he's given up the pot, it's your money. But anyway, you're playing to get peoples money because of them making mistakes, this is just another mistake.

Thats my 2c anyway.

bohsman

I tell him.

You're HU in a sng/mtt - other player disconnects, what do you do?

ianmc38

bohsman wrote:

I tell him.

You're HU in a sng/mtt - other player disconnects, what do you do?

Obviously auto-raise as quickly and as much as you can until he gets back to the table.

valor

ianmc38 wrote:

Obviously auto-raise as quickly and as much as you can until he gets back to the table.

What else would you do!?

bohsman

sit out and wait for them to reconnect.

Lazare

gerry87 wrote:

His cards hit the muck, he's given up the pot, it's your money. But anyway, you're playing to get peoples money because of them making mistakes, this is just another mistake.

Thats my 2c anyway.

OP said he threw his cards face up onto the table, not into the muck, dealer then dragged them to muck.
Still his fault, but maybe you should have given him enough for the nitelink home as a goodwill gesture.

Lazare

ianmc38 wrote:

Obviously auto-raise as quickly and as much as you can until he gets back to the table.

It's nice to have an edge now and again Ian huh?:D

Bandana boy

cardshark202 wrote:

I would tell him. He threw his cards face up, cards speak. He may be an idiot and not deserve the money but the money is rightfully his.

I kept it
Later while getting ready to leave the guy I suspected noticed did indeed notice and he says he would have done the same
the guy was there to lose his money and it was unlikely he would lose this money to me again

If it was smaller amount or a person i knew played there regular i would have spoken up
As a spectator how do we like the guy keeping stum about it
I would have played with him a lot but would not be friends or anything

5starpool

I would have said it whether I was in the hand or just at the table. When the cards are on the table face up they speak. If I seen it in his hand and he just mucked then I would have said nothing, but mentioned later that the winner was lucky he was drunk (if I knew the table that is).

ArmaniJeanss

bohsman wrote:

You're HU in a sng/mtt - other player disconnects, what do you do?

Interesting question that - I usually wait the full 20 seconds on each hand before raising from the SB.
I do this for 8-10 hands (180 seconds should be ample time to reconnect), then go into autoraise mode.

Flushdraw

bohsman wrote:

You're HU in a sng/mtt - other player disconnects, what do you do?

Depends what sort of a hand i get..If i get 73o and J5o i raise to steal but if i get a high PP or AK, i wait as long as i can to see if he reconnects because i want to get paid!

Flushdraw

5starpool wrote:

If I seen it in his hand and he just mucked then I would have said nothing

Something similar happened in the SE a couple of weeks ago. Nathan had bet the flop and the turn chasing a flushdraw. He made a bet on the river and his opponent called and showed a set of Queens. Nathan says "I missed my flush" and was going to muck when his next-door-neighbour looked into his hand and kindly told him that he had a straight. He says "Oh yeah" and puts his cards down and wins the hand.

Mellor

This happened to me on in a tourney a week ago. I had pocket nines and the flop came J x x. Only other player min bets I call. Turn is a Jack. He bets big enough, i call as he was doing this with any over cards. River is a rag. He bets like 6 BB. So I call to see what he has, I was talking to somebody during the hand and not paying attention.
He says jack and turned it over.
I threw my 99 face up into the muck and said beats my PP. Then I said actually no I had a flush, it came runner runner.
My fault for talking
and the other player kept the pot. He didnt seam bothered at all.

phantom_lord

A week or two ago I was in a cash game, two players, axxx board. River comes a deuce, player a shows aq, the other guy says something along the lines of yeah you win and went to throw in this cards, I notice that he's holding a2.

Oh the trouble that caused

nicnicnic

It happened to me with the straight/flush thing in a €100 stt against a drunk I copped it as the guy was leaving the table I@m sure the dealer copped it to but shoved the chips my a quick as he could, he was so happy to see the guy leaving the table.


Find it interesting that OP and another poster both say at some stage in the tread that if the amount was small they would give it up

mewso

bohsman wrote:

sit out and wait for them to reconnect.

Yep thats what I do. Maybe I'm a mug but I wouldn't feel right otherwise. If you have a clear conscience on this kind of thing then fine but at the back of my mind would always be the "what goes around comes around" adage. Karma and all that. Real or not it would affect me.