First gun licence

duckmusic

OK, I have taken the first step to getting my first gun. Now all that remains for me to do is get my licence for it so i can pick it up from the shop.
My question on getting this licence is about the permission from land owners section. It says in brackets beside this that it is only required for a limited licence and since i am not applying for a limited licence but rather a rifle licence can i safely assume that i dont need permission ????
Its not that i will have trouble getting it if its required. Loads of my friends have land so i should be all right.
If i do require permision how many land owners do i need ???

Also how many rounds of ammo should i apply for ??? Im only 19 so dont want to scare the guards by asking for 10,000. I dont want to run the risk of being turned down because of something like that.

Thanks

Rew

What do you plan to use the rifle for?

Rovi

You'll need either permission (or your own land) to hunt, or membership of a target shooting club for target shooting.
That's it.
Your chosen shooting sport will dictate whichever it is you need.

duckmusic

Well i was planning on using it for target shooting,but didnt want to join a club. Just shoot cans in the field behind my house (which i have permision to).

So should I say that I want to use it to hunt to avoid having to join a gun club ???

Umiq88

You'll def need a letter of a landowner stating that you have permission to shoot on there lands and how much land they have

Theres no real law for this but as a guideline id recommend
approx 150acres
or 2 letters from landowners

About the ammo limit depending i'd recommend leaving at 100 but if you want it raised talk to the FO and see what he thinks if the supers likely to agree or not

Congrats on the first rifle btw what du get

duckmusic

Oh, so I could get away with permision from just the one ???

I may as well get two just to be on the safe side seen as its no real trouble.

So should i tell the Guards thats its for shooting vermin ? Its just that I could do with out the hassel of having to join a club.

Thanks very much, got myself a CZ 452 LUX. I hear the 452s are nice. Cant wait to get my hands on it

Hezz700

Theres lot of CZ 452 owners on this board, myself included. A very well respected bit of kit. Good luck with the application and welcome to our world.

Hezz

flight93

It is good to join a club for lots of reasons:

1) You learn how to use a firearm safley
2) You will learn lots of stuff that will enable you to enjoy the sport more
3) It may well mean that you will become a better shot.
4) Its great fun!

By the way the other are correct, that is a good rifle, you cant go wrong with that

Good luck!

duckmusic

Thanks for the advice, I will look into it but as far as i am aware there are not any clubs near me (Naas).
Am I right in my assumtion that I can still get this licence with just the permission from the land owners ?

Hezz700

duckmusic wrote:

Thanks for the advice, I will look into it but as far as i am aware there are not any clubs near me (Naas).
Am I right in my assumtion that I can still get this licence with just the permission from the land owners ?

You should give Hilltop a visit, its not that far away. I can travel from Castledermot to there in just over an hour.

Hezz

Umiq88

Shooting vermin is fine as a requirment and all that you need to go with it are the permissions.

Joining a club may have its advantages but its not to everyones taste if you have land where you can practice on targets and zero you should be fine.

Think we should start a CZ 452 pics thread

duckmusic

Thanks very much everybody for all the help,
I got one of the permission letters last night so it wont be too long till i apply for the licence. Hopefully before the weekend.

And a picture gallery of CZ 452s would be cool allright

Sparks

psittacosis wrote:

Joining a club may have its advantages but its not to everyones taste

While in the long run that can be true, you need to take two things into account;
1) For someone starting off, they have to learn to shoot safely; especially so if they intend to go plinking in their back yards. Clubs are the best place in the country to do that.
2) The changes to the firearms acts will make it illegal to engage in target shooting anywhere but on a certified target shooting range. So as of sometime next year, this question will be moot - if you want to shoot targets, you'll have to be in a club.

duckmusic

Well i went in today about my licence and the guard on the desk told me that I had missed the dates for application and would have to wait until the 31st of July to apply again.
I'm not sure if this is true so am ringing the dealer tomorrow to ask. Does anybody know ???

If it is true it fecks up my plan of getting it for christmas

Sparks

Complete poppycock dm. You can apply for a licence any day of the year; July 31 is the day that the licences all expire (regardless of when they were applied for).

jaycee

Agreed .. complete rubbish !

Any day of the year..!

Rovi

Agreed with Sparks and jaycee.


...unless...

...is there any possibility of some sort of 'moratorium' on new licences in the run up to the introduction of the new 'three year licence' system?

Just a thought...
If it is, it'd be something of a bolt from the blue; I'd be of the opinion that the Garda in question didn't know what they were talking about (to put it kindly :rolleyes:).

Sparks

No, no moratorium's been mentioned by the DoJ at any point Rovi. Nor by any Garda I've ever talked to. There'd be no legal basis for one, for a start.

duckmusic

Rovi wrote:

Agreed with Sparks and jaycee.


I'd be of the opinion that the Garda in question didn't know what they were talking about (to put it kindly :rolleyes:).

I think you are right. I’m ringing the dealer today anyway so that I can go back in and tell the Guard that he is wrong. Hopefully I will meet a guard that has a better understanding of the law. I wish people would not pretend they know what they are talking about when they don’t

Terrier

As was pointed out by Des Crofin (NARGC) lately to members, get everything in writing, especially why they are not accepting your application. Get the Garda name also.
Keep a record of all interactions with the Gardai it will help you in the long run should your application have trouble.

scuby

duckmusic wrote:

Hopefully I will meet a guard that has a better understanding of the law. I wish people would not pretend they know what they are talking about when they don’t

let us know if you do, not many out there

was it near dinner time when you went in ?

duckmusic

This is turning out to be a rather difficult procedure.
I rang the firearms dealer and he told me to ring the firearms officer and book a meeting with her, which i did but it turns out she only works nights !!!!

Hassle

newby.204

duckmusic wrote:

This is turning out to be a rather difficult procedure.
I rang the firearms dealer and he told me to ring the firearms officer and book a meeting with her, which i did but it turns out she only works nights !!!!

Hassle

That happened to me, fao like a unicorn as i like to say. Upon reading your post in referewnce to the emboldened part, can i just say "OOOUUUCCCHHHH!":eek:

Rovi

newby.204 wrote:

That happened to me, fao like a unicorn as i like to say. Upon reading your post in referewnce to the emboldened part, can i just say "OOOUUUCCCHHHH!":eek:

Why so???

Most of the Firearms Officers I've dealt with over the years have been women, and they've all been nothing less than professional, courteous, and helpful. They've returned phone calls, followed up enquiries, and been cheerful and friendly at all times. I've never had any reason to complain about any of them; unlike one or two of their male colleagues, who have led me a merry dance on occasion.

I fail to see how the gender of any particular Firearms Officer, in and of itself, has any bearing on how proceedings are conducted.

flight93

My experience has been the same as Rovi. The female FO I delt with told me that she had no understanding about firearms whatsoever, but once I satisfied her with my reasons for wanting what I wanted she was very helpful. However experience has taught me that is is very important to:
1) Keep a copy of everything that you send to the Gardai, land permissions, recipts,letters etc.
2) Keep a log of everything you do when applying for your firearms certificate, dates details etc.
3) Deal directly with the FO all of the time, not the others. That way you avoid confusion, paperwork getting "lost" as well as disimformation.

Best of luck with it.

Clare gunner

QUOTE=flight93]My experience has been the same as Rovi. The female FO I delt with told me that she had no understanding about firearms whatsoever[/QUOTE],
Thats Scary!!!!:eek: :eek:

fred funk }{

duckmusic wrote:

This is turning out to be a rather difficult procedure.
I rang the firearms dealer and he told me to ring the firearms officer and book a meeting with her, which i did but it turns out she only works nights !!!!

Hassle

Their night shift starts at ten o clock, surely thats early enough to pop over to meet her. My FO can be tricky to get a hold of too but you have to bite the bullet (no pune intended) and get over there.

duckmusic

Well I had my meeting with her today and went very well
I’m fairly confident that i will get it. Just have to sort out the gun safe and stuff first.

Don’t think I will have it by Christmas morning as I was hoping.....:(

Traumadoc

How long are applications taking?

Kramer

duckmusic wrote:

Don’t think I will have it by Christmas morning as I was hoping.....:(

Remember, a firearm isn't just for Christmas, it's for life .

"Hey, look what Santa got me................a nice gun"

maglite

just on a slightly diff line

when changing details on a cert is the orginal taken from you for the period of time it takes or is it a case of a new licence issued and then the other is revoked,,, having an unlicenced gun is not a prob

civdef

The licence is taken off you for the period of time it takes, which is approximately 60 seconds.

maglite

civdef wrote:

The licence is taken off you for the period of time it takes, which is approximately 60 seconds.

???
so what exactly happens

civdef

You hand the guard the licence, they write in the new details and stamp them, then hand it back.

maglite

no re typing at all??

it seems a bit strange to me

Umiq88

Depends on what you mean by a change to the cert.

Things like changing the amount of ammo or other similar changes are just written in with pen and then signed to state that the changes where done by a authorized person. For things like a calibre change or change in maker i guess depends on your FO.

smallfry

Do you know if its that straight forward changing from
a limited to an unlimited licence for a shotgun...?

civdef

It's a different licence, so you make a new application. Same would happen going from a shotgun to a rifle.

maglite

psittacosis wrote:

Depends on what you mean by a change to the cert.

Things like changing the amount of ammo or other similar changes are just written in with pen and then signed to state that the changes where done by a authorized person. For things like a calibre change or change in maker i guess depends on your FO.

i'm changing mossberg .22 serial XXXXXX
th a Cz .22 serial XXXXXXX2

are those changes done in pen?
this seams easyer than i was expecting

de_shadow

My uncle had two changes made to his shotgun cert (old gun traded for new gun which broke was replaced by newer gun) and it was all done in pen on his cert, there were stamps and signatures all over it.;)

Rovi

maglite wrote:

i'm changing mossberg .22 serial XXXXXX
th a Cz .22 serial XXXXXXX2

are those changes done in pen?
this seams easyer than i was expecting

All else being equal, that's it.

Changing the action type (Single Shot, Bolt Action, Semi-Automatic) may or may not get done at the counter, it depends on the seniority/authority of the Garda/Firearms Officer you happen to be dealing with at that very moment. The same goes for a calibre change, especially if you're going 'bigger'.

I've always found it best to deal with the actual Firearms Officer for licence amendments, as they have the authority to change most things off their own bat. While it can (in theory) be done by any Garda, many, especially those fresh out of Templemore, are reluctant to mess with firearms stuff without the go-ahead of a senior officer.

My last licence amendment, for example, changed the maker's name (CZ -> Sako), the serial number (obviously), and the calibre (.243 -> .308). All done in biro, at the counter, as I chatted with the Firearms Officer making the changes. It took about two minutes once they came to the counter.