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Bestiality is legal if you have a good lawyer

  • 17-11-2006 10:52pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭


    Out in the American wilderness in Wisconsin a local was caught in flagrante with a deer , a dead deer. The defence was really simple, pull out Websters Dictionary and refer to the definition of an animal
    any of a kingdom (Animalia) of living things i

    But the Deer was DEAD , right!

    The prosecution countered with an interesting linguistic norm, nice one MR Prosecutor
    He told Judge Michael Lucci that "when a person's pet dog dies, the person still refers to the dog as his or her dog, not a carcass"

    So it was a deer then, but that was not in dispute was it??

    Then there was the little problem that the last time yer man was done , that time for shagging a dead horse not a deer, he pleaded guilty to it :p
    previous form, which saw him in April 2005 plead "no contest to one felony charge of mistreatment of an animal for the shooting death of Bambrick, a 26-year-old horse, to have sex with the animal".

    Not surprisingly the judge had a headache and had to go off to think about this one
    "I'm a little surprised this issue hasn't been tackled before in another case." He then promised to render a decision before Hathaway's next court appearance on 1 December.

    I can't wait for the 1st of december , do any cat lovers read this forum by the way , if so PM me later for the vid ??

    More here and here


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    "I'm a little surprised this issue hasn't been tackled before in another case."

    LOL


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wasn't there a thread about a dead dog a while back ?

    Reminds me of this
    An elderly French man was slowly walking down the countryside,
    admiring the beautiful spring day, when over a hedge he spotted a
    young couple, naked, making love in a field. Getting over his initial
    shock he said to himself, "Ah ze young love... Ze spring time, ze air,
    ze flowers. C'est magnifique!!", and continued to watch remembering
    the good old times.

    Suddenly he drew in a gasp and said, "Mais ... Sacre bleu!! Ze woman -
    she is dead!!", and he ran as fast as he could to the town to tell
    Albert, the police chief. He arrived, out of breath, to the police
    station and shouted, "Albert ... Albert zere is zis man zis woman
    ... naked in farmer Gaston's field making love". The police chief
    smiled and said; "Come come Henri you are not so old remember ze young
    love. Ze spring time ze air ze flowers Ah, L'amour! Thiz is okay."
    Henri said, "Mais non! You do not understand ze woman she is dead!!"

    Hearing this Albert leapt out from his seat and rushed out of the
    station, and ran down to the field, confirmed Henri's story, and ran
    all the way back non-stop to call the doctor: "Pierre, Pierre... This
    is Albert I was in Gaston's field - zere is a young couple naked
    'aving sex!" To which Pierre replied,"Albert, I am a man of
    science. you must remember, it is spring ze air ze flowers Ah,
    L'amour! Thiz is very natural." Albert, still out of breath grasped in
    reply, "NON, you do not understand ze woman, she is dead!"

    Hearing this Pierre shouted, "Mon dieu!", grabbed his black medicine
    bag, stuffed in his thermometer, stethoscope, and other tools and
    jumped in the car and drove like a madman down to Gaston's field.

    Upon getting there he gave the couple a full medical exam and drove
    back to Henri and Albert, who were waiting at the station. He got
    there, went inside, and smiled patiently at the two Frenchmen and
    said, "Ah, mes amis, do not worry. Ze woman, she is not dead she is
    English."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Dooom


    Would it not be classed as some form of necrophilia? Or maybe that only applies to humans. Eitherway, the chap should be locked up. Just for being really, really, really weird.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    What about this sick puppy.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/base/news-8/116170304311310.xml&coll=4

    The dog was dead for 4 or 5 days and was his gf's dog as well. Good grief.:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Spike wrote:
    Would it not be classed as some form of necrophilia? Or maybe that only applies to humans. Eitherway, the chap should be locked up. Just for being really, really, really weird.
    Is necrobeastiality illegal though? :)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Looks like Wisconsin has no law against necrophilia and cannot lock him up for being a bleedin nutter either or else half the state would be in the slammer.

    And he probably killed that poor deer too , they never said how it died ! Thats not illegal either around there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    thrill wrote:
    What about this sick puppy.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/base/news-8/116170304311310.xml&coll=4

    The dog was dead for 4 or 5 days and was his gf's dog as well. Good grief.:eek:

    that report doesn't clarify if the guy came or not.

    There was the same lack of conclusive journalism with the dude and horse in Seattle last year. Did the horse come or not?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Pinyan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    nlgbbbblth wrote:
    Did the horse come or not?

    Well theres no way the deer or the dog could come seein as how they were dead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    thrill wrote:
    Well theres no way the deer or the dog could come seein as how they were dead.

    I know that.
    But did the guy come or not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 MADPhil


    Man goes into confessional. "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. I'm guilty of sadism, bestiality and necrophilia." "Ah," says the priest. "You're flogging a dead horse there."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    nlgbbbblth wrote:
    I know that.
    But did the guy come or not?

    I just reread the stories and i doubt that they did. They were caught in the act.
    Why, does it matter?
    I mean, what else could they have been up to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    thrill wrote:
    What about this sick puppy.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/base/news-8/116170304311310.xml&coll=4

    The dog was dead for 4 or 5 days and was his gf's dog as well. Good grief.:eek:
    "crimes against nature"
    We should have more laws against that carry-on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Heisenberg.


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭rugbug86


    MADPhil wrote:
    Man goes into confessional. "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. I'm guilty of sadism, bestiality and necrophilia." "Ah," says the priest. "You're flogging a dead horse there."
    LOL

    what a sick man

    he should be locked up, purely to get him off the streets. even worse if he killed it himself.

    imagine that tho, having the mental capacity to look at an animal, kill it then ride it. hubba hubba. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Did I read this wrong or did some bloke ride a dead dear?:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    seamus wrote:
    Is necrobeastiality illegal though? :)

    Is it really such a common place problem that we need to legislate aganist it though?

    If I discover rampant abuse of dead animal corpses is occuring regularly, I'm pretty much walking away from civilisation, and not looking back in case I become a pillar of salt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Dooom


    seamus wrote:
    Is necrobeastiality illegal though? :)

    Dear god it'd better be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    thrill wrote:
    I just reread the stories and i doubt that they did. They were caught in the act.
    Why, does it matter?

    I'd say it matters to the men's families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭ArphaRima


    The sentence should be that everybody in the world finds out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Spike wrote:
    Dear god it'd better be.
    I don't see why it should be, although shooting it for that purpose certainly should come under the cruelty to animal laws.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    I don't see why it should be, although shooting it for that purpose certainly should come under the cruelty to animal laws.

    Of course it should be, for the same reason necrophilia is illegal. Respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    MrJoeSoap wrote:
    Of course it should be, for the same reason necrophilia is illegal. Respect.
    Respect for a dead wild animal? So it should be illegal to cut them up and eat them or mount their head on a wall aswell?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Respect for a dead wild animal? So it should be illegal to cut them up and eat them or mount their head on a wall aswell?

    Killing and eating them is natural, mounting the head on a wall probably isn't.

    You don't see a lion humping a carcass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    MrJoeSoap wrote:
    mounting the head on a wall probably isn't.
    Probably isn't? o_O

    Anyway alot of what we do with animals isn't "natural", doesn't mean it should be illegal

    BTW - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia#Among_animals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Probably isn't? o_O

    Well I would imagine primitive human beings probably kept some trophies of animals they hunted.
    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Anyway alot of what we do with animals isn't "natural", doesn't mean it should be illegal

    Well I personally would classify "necrobestiality" (if such a word exists!) in my 'should be illegal' category.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    MrJoeSoap wrote:
    Well I would imagine primitive human beings probably kept some trophies of animals they hunted.
    :confused:

    When does something stop being man made and being natural?
    MrJoeSoap wrote:
    Well I personally would classify "necrobestiality" (if such a word exists!) in my 'should be illegal' category.
    I don't think its right but I just don't see why the government should be involved in the issue and deciding what's right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Talideon


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    I don't think its right but I just don't see why the government should be involved in the issue and deciding what's right.

    Would you apply the same logic to things like robbery and murder?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Do a deer? A female deer?
    If it was male maybe he was gay.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Dooom


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    I don't see why it should be, although shooting it for that purpose certainly should come under the cruelty to animal laws.

    Because it's riding a dead animal! If you don't find that wrong, then you're very weird.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Spike wrote:
    Because it's riding a dead animal! If you don't find that wrong, then you're very weird.
    I don't have to answer to you...:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭NotMe


    MrJoeSoap wrote:
    Of course it should be, for the same reason necrophilia is illegal. Respect.
    You can't compare animals to humans like that - sure we kill, cook, eat and wear animals. I don't think it would be right to lock someone up for their animal corpse fetish. They should probably get their head examined though. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,350 ✭✭✭Lust4Life


    Had to be a Bow Hunter since Gun season only opened this morning in Wisconsin.
    Them Bow Hunters are always a bit off kilter. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    NotMe wrote:
    You can't compare animals to humans like that - sure we kill, cook, eat and wear animals. I don't think it would be right to lock someone up for their animal corpse fetish. They should probably get their head examined though. :D

    Well he should be sent down for having sex with a dead deer in public so!

    Just send the sicko down! It's not a fetish, it's an illness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Dooom


    Savman wrote:
    I don't have to answer to you...:p

    Methinks you're hiding something...Dead animal rider! :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Talideon wrote:
    Would you apply the same logic to things like robbery and murder?
    I more meant deciding whether doing something that doesn't affect anyone else is right or wrong.
    Spike wrote:
    Because it's riding a dead animal! If you don't find that wrong, then you're very weird.
    Wait a min, I never said it wasn't wrong. Just no reason to be illegal.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Don't knock it until...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭county


    ... you`ve try it




    *draws the line with dead animals*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Just My View


    Savman wrote:
    Do a deer? A female deer?
    Ray, a drop of golden Sun
    Me, a name I call myself
    Fah, a long long way to run
    Sew, a needle pulling thread
    Lah, the note to follow sew
    Tea, a drink with jam and bread
    that brings us back to
    Doe, a deer, a female deer...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    You've tried the rest, now try the best...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭county


    You've tried the rest, now try the beast...

    ;)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    ...iality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭oRlyYaRly


    I hope he used a condom.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭county


    oRlyYaRly wrote:
    I hope he used a condom.
    good advice when shagging dead animals;)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,537 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    They are deer to him?



    Deerly departed?






    *Well, you have to admit, it beats being a "Tree hugger!" Ouch! I know, very cheezy... but I am working on my first cup of java and will wake soon.


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