From a sceptic!...

arybvtcw0eolkf

I've trying to find a logical reason for yesterdays experience...

Without giving too much away..

I was in work, walking down a hallway and suddenly thought of a lad who'd passed away a few years back. I even got an image of him in my minds eye. At the time I was delivering an envolope to an office, a single envolope.

When I gave it to the clerk he opened it and it was the personal file of the guy I'd been thinking about!.

This chap was never a friend of mine and I've probably never gave him a seconds thought since I heard of his death a few years ago.

Can anyone explain this one?.

Btw, it was a sealed envolope.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

co-incidence? I'm fairly sure you thought of many other things while you had that envelope in your hand, none of which had anything to do with the contents of the envelope.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mordeth wrote:

co-incidence? I'm fairly sure you thought of many other things while you had that envelope in your hand, none of which had anything to do with the contents of the envelope.

I honestly don't think it was co-incidence. I barely knew the guy. I'd only got direct dealings with him once, a long time ago and I can clearly remember not thinking of anything else.

Had anyone else said the same to me I'd have said co-incidence too. Thanks for taking the time to reply all the same.

Stoner

Could your subconscious mind have picked up on the name as someone said it or something, the fact that someone put the info in an envelope and had it sent somewhere must mean the the guys name was out there in conversation to some degree, maybe you picked up on it and the back of your mind started thinking about it etc, that's one possibility anyway.

But wait till the crazies get their hands on it:D

Aisling&M

It would seem to make sense to say psychometry......ie receiving information/impressions from inanimate objects about a person/situation psychically.....

DublinEvents

Incomprehensible to humans are the ways of God. But you should only be worried if this starts happening on a regular basis. When that happens, consider a career change to a psychic. It's possible you might have been chosen to help other people.

arybvtcw0eolkf

DublinEvents wrote:

It's possible you might have been chosen to help other people.

Forget that one.

I helped a blind lad accross the road a few weeks ago, he was looking to go to Botanic Road post office (I was on Prospect Rd.) I brought him accross. Thinking I'd done my good deed for the day, I then realised I'd pointed him up towards Glasnevin cementry, totally the opposite direction!.

Oryx

Stoners point about overhearing would make sense, but as a crazie my money is on psychometry. Thats what it sounds like to me.

6th

KatieK wrote:

Stoners point about overhearing would make sense, but as a crazie my money is on psychometry. Thats what it sounds like to me.

Damn, you're typing whatI'm thinking again.

arybvtcw0eolkf

KatieK wrote:

Stoners point about overhearing would make sense, but as a crazie my money is on psychometry. Thats what it sounds like to me.

I'm fully certain I didn't over hear his name, otherwise I'd have put two and two together and figured that one out.

ladybirdirl

Hiya Mairt,

I'd go with the crazies - perhaps you picked up something from the envelope. Presumably you were quite relaxed taking a wander to go deliver the envelope so I would think you were relaxed enough to let your 'powers'(for want of a better word honest!) flow.It's cool that you might have got something though, if this is an area you are questioning/have a healthy skepticism of why not use it as a foundation for looking into psychometry further and see if you can be persuaded to the crazy side

Ladybird

upthere

it cud be ur natural ability or what we all have. skeptics have a highly developed left side brain which deals with logic, sequence and order. While crazies with right brain development are better at creativity and some psychic artistic.

6th

upthere wrote:

it cud be ur natural ability or what we all have. skeptics have a highly developed left side brain which deals with logic, sequence and order. While crazies with right brain development are better at creativity and some psychic artistic.

I wouldnt go with that idea in a second, I know plenty of arty people who are as sensitive as bricks and plenty of people, who call themselves "skeptics" who are far from logical.

Pyschometry ftw.

Stoner

Come on Lads!!!

OK I'm willing to entertain the possibility that it was Pyschometry, but the chances that Mairt picked this up and stored it in his subconscious mind are much higher IMO.

Note Mairt this is no reflection on you btw, I'm just talking about the situation, we don't know each other etc so I have no opinion about your character. But the whole idea of the separation of your conscious and subconscious mind would allow you to think that you did not hear it, I'm not saying you didn't, I'm just saying that you can't make a conscious decision about what's in your subconscious memory with any degree of accuracy. Then again you could be a brain doctor for all i know

But Mairt still named the thread "From a skeptic"

I thought the most obvious, simple answer is usually the correct one!! of coarse Mairt you could be a potential member of the crazy gang, I have a vision of KatieK, 6th, ladybird and Ashling in Darth Vader suits beckoning you to "come with me to the dark side Mairt"
BTW Ladybird you go along with the crazies cos you are one right!!! lol:)

Anyway what's all this about left sides of the brain etc, don't they say such things about gay people and creativity too, having said that 6th is to the best of my knowledge not gay but creative (well going on what you do for a living anyway) and crazy, I am not to the best of my knowledge gay and i am not creative or in this context crazy.
I just thought I'd bring gayness into the equation to confuse things even more! IMO I doubt that our thought process has something to do with it , but then again creative people like song writers do go to great lengths to be open to the environment for inspiration for new songs, I don't know , I'm getting out of this loop.:)

Gillo

Stoner wrote:

Could your subconscious mind have picked up on the name as someone said it or something, the fact that someone put the info in an envelope and had it sent somewhere must mean the the guys name was out there in conversation to some degree, maybe you picked up on it and the back of your mind started thinking about it etc, that's one possibility anyway.

Thats what I would have thought, I take it the envolope was not blank, there must have been some indication of what it contained, again even if it only refered to the person's role, it would have pointed your train of thought into the persons direction.

One question though, what was someone doing with his file when he had passed away a few years ago?? surely that should have gone into deep storage at this stage.I can only think of one senerio where the file might still be legitamitely been used and again, it would help enforce the arguement for you picking up something subconsiously.

Zillah

I like that the term "crazies" has become acceptable I was banned when I coined it

ladybirdirl

Stoner wrote:

BTW Ladybird you go along with the crazies cos you are one right!!! lol:)


From one of the chief crazies that's such a compliment - am I in the gang now am I am I?:D

Come on now you must admit that if he knew nothing of the envelope(i.e. no name/address on it) then it must be psychometry?

do you reckon you could get those Darth Vader cloaks in small people sizes - now that would be cool!

Ladybird

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ok, here's more to the story. I'm reluctant to go into too much detail as I'm afraid someone else know who I'm talking about.

1. I'm in the defence forces.

2. The guy (the dead chap) was a Sgt.Major in my barracks and passed away just after retirement.

3. Nothing on the evelope to this section (office I was bringing it to) would indicate what was inside it. Neither would the origin or the sender.

4. I never worked with the chap, and as far as I can accurately recall only ever had direct dealings with him once, and that was along time ago.

Thats about it guys.

Sorry, I've never visited this forum on boards before and didn't mean to split opinion down the middle like this. But I honestly feel it wasn't a co-incidence.

6th

Splitting opinions is what we do here, sure if everyone agreed we'd get nowhere.

I'd go with psychometry on this as I said and maybe you should look up a bit about it. Its interesting stuff.

kshiel

I would go with psychometry but stoner does have a vaild point also.

Aisling&M

I know you introduced yourself as a scheptic (and to me that means someone who is open to learning more than he already knows) but I read the tone of your other posts and I think you believe this experience had a paranormal hint to it........and if it did then a scheptical/rational person is the best person for it to happen to as you can so clearly differentiate between something explicable and something inexplicable by physical possibilities!

Oryx

As 6th said, split opinions are part and parcel of the forum. You posted here because as a sceptic, you couldnt find a rational explanation for what happened. So maybe you did momentarily tap into a latent psychic ability. No ones ever gonna know for sure, but if I was you, Id be saying 'how cool..' and allowing for that possibility.


O/T ..one to add to the paranormal song list.... Slade...Mama were all crazy now...;)

ladybirdirl

kshiel wrote:

I would go with psychometry but stoner does have a vaild point also.

Stoner........valid point? Come on kshiel! Only joking Stoner

I'd still go with the psychometry though even with the extra info!

You should enjoy it though Mairt, if you believe it's paranormal or not

Ladybird

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

he could find a rational explanation for it, he just doesn't want to accept it.
that's always the way

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mordeth wrote:

he could find a rational explanation for it, he just doesn't want to accept it.
that's always the way

Thats alittle unfair. I don't don't think it was co-incidence thats all.

But not to worry, I've at least learned something from the thread and reading other threads in this forum.

Regards.

6th

Little dont take mordeths post as anything. This is a forum for people to discuss their experiences. The skeptic forum is for pulling stuff apart at the cost of the OP.

Oryx

Mairt wrote:

Thats alittle unfair. I don't don't think it was co-incidence thats all.

But not to worry, I've at least learned something from the thread and reading other threads in this forum.

Regards.

Stick around and comments like that will be water off a ducks back.;)

Glad your finding it interesting here.

Dave!

Sounds like a co-incidence to me.

ISAW

Mairt wrote:

I honestly don't think it was co-incidence.

doesnt make any difference what you think if it WAS a co incidence.

I barely knew the guy.

so what? If he was your brother what difference would that make? you might think of him more? Well then all the more reason for a co incidence. the chance of thinking of someone you rarely knew is much much lower. so you are more likely to remember it when it stands out. Bt if it wa your brother you would also remember it wouldnt you?

I'd only got direct dealings with him once, a long time ago and I can clearly remember not thinking of anything else.

this is a sort of self-justification. How can one "not think"?
Try this - dont think of a banana
What image came into your head?

Had anyone else said the same to me I'd have said co-incidence too. Thanks for taking the time to reply all the same.

Synchronicity.

ISAW

6th wrote:

Little dont take mordeths post as anything. This is a forum for people to discuss their experiences. The skeptic forum is for pulling stuff apart at the cost of the OP.

No it isnt!
Attacking the poster is specifically not allowed.
It is the posters CLAIMS which are pulled apart.

ISAW

Aisling&M wrote:

I know you introduced yourself as a scheptic (and to me that means someone who is open to learning more than he already knows) but I read the tone of your other posts and I think you believe this experience had a paranormal hint to it........and if it did then a scheptical/rational person is the best person for it to happen to as you can so clearly differentiate between something explicable and something inexplicable by physical possibilities!

i would think the point is it IS explainable by physical possibilities. Millions of people may think they know the lotto numbers. they dont! But one of them wins. does that mean the winner knew the numbers?
Maybe millions of people have envalopes with the name of the person they are thinking of in it. How would you know they havent? Eventually one of them finds out that the person they were thinging of was in the envelope. are they psychic because of that? I wouldnt think so. If they could tell me next weeks lotto. now that would make me think.

Aisling&M

Yes, you winning the lottery is very high up on the list of spiritual world priorities......