V30 Cab for €359? Yep!

Karl Hungus

Just saw this, and quite honestly, that's an amazing price for a 4x12 loaded with Celestion Vintage30s.

So, just a heads up for anyone who might be interested.

feylya

Harley Benton = absolute bollox. Sorry but it has to be said.

Karl Hungus

feylya wrote:

Harley Benton = absolute bollox. Sorry but it has to be said.

Yeah, the cab itself is probably made out of cardboard, but the V30s is what I'm getting at here.

fish-head

Yeah, Hurley Benders.

feylya

Fair enough, if you wanted to get 4 speakers and 4 wheels for cheap, buy one but it'd probably collapse as soon as you put a head on it.

If anyone wanted to buy one, use two speakers to make a 2x12 and sell the other two to cover the cost, they'd get a quality cheap cab!

Fingers Mcginty

HB stuff that bad eh ?... I was looking to get V30's a while back and they were comming in at 120 yo yos a shot. So 360 seems good

bombidol

Its not THAT bad. I have a HB bass that i bought for 100 euros for messin around at home and while its obviously not a fender etc its playable and can sound acceptable with the right EQ. The HB cab with C30's is great for the price.

Eoin Madsen

It says it's made of plywood. Which is exactly what you want in a guitar cab. That is suspiciously cheap for what is described. I'd suggest emailing them to ask if it's birch plywood or some other kind. That's all I can think of.

If you slapped a $20 Marshall logo on there, it'd double in value.

bombidol

Just pray that its lighter than the Behringer cab with Jensons. The fookin weight of that thing is unreal.

Eoin Madsen

Yeah, chipboard is heavier and less durable than plywood. But it's about 1/5 the cost.

Voodu Child

Its no more than a hunch, but I reckon a quality cab with crap speakers would sound better than a crap cab with quality speakers.

bombidol

voodoo_child wrote:

Its no more than a hunch, but I reckon a quality cab with crap speakers would sound better than a crap cab with quality speakers.

Negatory

Voodu Child

Like I said, its a hunch, ive no proof, but the difference between a well made cab and a badly made cab with the SAME SPEAKERS is huge.

Ive compared a marshall 2x12 with a mesa open back 2x12, both with vintage 30s. The marshall sounded terrible, they use rubbish plywood (full of voids), flimsy joints, acoustically poor dimensions etc..(there is an ideal ratio of sides for speaker cabs).

This suggests to me that a well made cab with cheap speakers would sound better than a cheap cab with good speakers (you cant polish a turd etc). Since the speakers are physically attached to the cab, the best speakers in the world will have a hard job sounding good if theyre stuck in some crappy cardboard box. Obviously, its best to have both.

Eoin Madsen

While it is a huge factor in closed or ported cabs, the physics involved in an open backed cab make the cab composition much less important, tbh.

Voodu Child

Please explain

Eoin Madsen

In a sealed or ported enclosure the internal volume of the cabinet has a direct impact on the operating characteristics of the speaker. The best speaker for a given cab would actually be the one with the Thiele-Small parameters which are most closely suited to the dimensions of the cab and the size of the port or ports. The TS parametres are just a group of electrical, magnetic, and physical measurements of a speaker.

Sticking a great speaker into a great cab could actually result in a really poor performance from the speaker (or even cause damaging over-excursion of the speaker cone) vs the performance of the cheaper speaker for which the cab was designed.

In an open backed cab, the speakers don't couple with the volume of the cab, so you can in fact use any speakers at all without much impact from the cab. The downside of an open cab is that the low end response is relatively poor, and goes nowhere near the potential of the speakers used. I've also heard that the sound is more susceptable to variation because of the room coupling with the speakers, making the sound of the amp in any given venue more unpredicatable than that of a sealed or ported cab.

Paladin

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055000560

Open Cab sounds great...
Havent noticed the sound being any more unpredictable than my closed cab. That HB cab is probably decent value. At the very least the speakers are worth the price.

Eoin Madsen

Paladin wrote:

Havent noticed the sound being any more unpredictable than my closed cab.

Yeah, I haven't really observed it either tbh.

NeMiSiS

Anyone used any of the ENGL 4X12'S ? Like this : http://www.thomann.de/ie/engl_e412ss_gitarrenbox.htm ? I have an ENGL 2X12 I dig, and a Marshall 1960A 4x12.. but even the build quality on the 2x12 ENGL is better than the Marshall.. so might ditch the Marshall and get the ENGL.
Am I mad ?
Oh and used with a TSL 100
TK

fish-head

Hahaha.. I love the way it's called a guitarrenbox. Mad Germans.
From what everyone says, you wouldn't be mad switching to ENGL. Given your sound and how much you like your 2x12 anyway..

Voodu Child

Will you be holding on to the engl 2x12 if you get the 4x12?
I plan on buying one (2x12) off thomann next week. Wouldnt mind a 2nd hand one.

Karl Hungus

NeMiSiS wrote:

Anyone used any of the ENGL 4X12'S ? Like this : http://www.thomann.de/ie/engl_e412ss_gitarrenbox.htm ? I have an ENGL 2X12 I dig, and a Marshall 1960A 4x12.. but even the build quality on the 2x12 ENGL is better than the Marshall.. so might ditch the Marshall and get the ENGL.
Am I mad ?
Oh and used with a TSL 100
TK

The can you're linking to is the V60 cab, and as far as I know, all the ENGL 2x12s have V30s, so perhaps the V60s wouldn't be to your taste. You may want to go for the Vintage 4x12.

I've got one, and I think it's absolutely phenominal.

NeMiSiS

Would that be this: http://www.thomann.de/ie/engl_e412vs_gitarrencabinet.htm ? I'd be curious to try it out and see what kinda sound I could get compared to the Marshall, what I found with the 2x12 is I got a lot tighter sound.. obviously cause it is two less speakers.. so you miss the extra range you get with the 4x12.. so if I tried the engl 4x12 I'd be after that same clarity.. and the extra range..

It's an expensive lifestyle I'm starting to lead, wanna lash new power valves in the TSL too, I put in Mesa Boogie preamps ones.. and they are the great.. then some kinda rackmount delay and EQ.. and other stuff I can't quiet think of..

Vodoo_Child, I aint selling it man sorry. I use it for gigging cause lugging the 4x12 was killing me, I got it second hand myself off the gigsmart board, try the Buy N Sell forst before you order from Thomann, the cabs are so robust I'd imagine you'd have to drive a steam roller over them to do any damage, so I'd say 99% of secondhand ones are in great nick.

TK - Jekyl