Baldoyle to Ballymun lightrail line

lostexpectation

http://www.davidhealy.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=165&Itemid=40

Never heard of this before, are there new este being built on the north side of that line all along it, or just near baldoyle?

is there any more info on it...

possible? I mean it would bever have as much traffic as line going to city would but if you don't compare it to that would it justify itself

spacetweek

lostexpectation wrote:

http://www.davidhealy.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=165&Itemid=40

Never heard of this before, are there new este being built on the north side of that line all along it, or just near baldoyle?

is there any more info on it...

possible? I mean it would bever have as much traffic as line going to city would but if you don't compare it to that would it justify itself

I think it's a good idea, but since it's not in T21 it's years off. A similar proposal running DART line->Artane->Ballymun was in Platform for Change, but wasn't in T21.

Yes, there's loads of new housing appearing north of Baldoyle and west as far as Clarehall shopping centre. With all the industry, housing and retail in the area, a rail line would be a good investment.

lostexpectation

spacetweek wrote:

I think it's a good idea, but since it's not in T21 it's years off. A similar proposal running DART line->Artane->Ballymun was in Platform for Change, but wasn't in T21.

Yes, there's loads of new housing appearing north of Baldoyle and west as far as Clarehall shopping centre. With all the industry, housing and retail in the area, a rail line would be a good investment.

houses first right!

Jonny Arson

This looks a good idea, ok making a change at Ballymun may cause issues but quite frankly I'm witnessing Baldoyle becoming an infrastructural disaster before my very eyes with this poorly planned mass housing development. However I feel this light rail/metro solution may be too little too late and won't happen anyway, Baldoyle is will badly need something like this.

davidhealy

It's definitely late, but hopefully not too late. The zoned area is along the border between Fingal and Dublin City Council areas - in fact there isn't even a decent map of the entire area showing all the zonings. The two Councils zoned separately and started giving planning permissions. Eventually the roads departments started talking to each other and they are now coming up with proposals for roads. Nobody has done a full transport study and the roads they are now proposing (dual carriageways and flyovers) would wreck the area.

Essentially both sides of the route are residentially zoned from Baldoyle as far as and including the area around Belcamp College and the land east of that is mostly industrially zoned with part of it amenity zoned.

Already some of the houses are built, others have permission. The longer it takes to get this into the Development Plan, the more chance of difficulties with the eastern end of the alignment. Additionally, the s.49 special levy which can be used to fund railways only applies to planning permissions obtained after it is brought in, so the longer it takes the less money the levy would bring in.

Yesterday's Council meeting (webcast should come online later today) approved a draft of the s.49 levy for metro north to go to public consultation. We also started a discussion on this spur to the east, but didn't get very far before the end of the meeting.

The overall alignment is pretty obvious, the work at this stage would be to identify and protect a specific alignment and do the general calculations on usage. These can be based on the origin/destination matrices already developed for the road proposal, so the work is not massive.

Slice

As Martin Cullen said about T21 - "nothing's in and nothing's out"